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alastair

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Actually (genuine) refugee-welcoming, and skilled migrants (from anywhere) very welcome indeed, as is generally the case everywhere, one would have thought.

But as for illegal economic migrants (in the very high percentile) posing as refugees (and taking their much needed places), was simply asking the occasional question E.g. 93% average rejection rates for 4/5 of the top countries last year, is this not an oddity?

Not to mention recent cases of sham marriges and document fraud to obtain taxis (operation vantage) etc.

To which your only response is some bitter name bashing/calling.
That's some classy and transparent agenda you've got going on there: silence any discussion.

You’ve zero evidence that any of the rejected asylum claims are illegal. The fact that no-one has ever been charged in relation to an ‘illegal claim’ might suggest none are. Rejected claims don’t take any accepted claimants out of the system. The 20-30% who’s claims are accepted, in whatever fashion, are part of a system that obligated the state to assess all asylum claims that are made, regardless of their apparent merits at the outset. That’s a legal obligation we have signed up to.

Best not to mention sham marriages and notional taxi fraud alright. Neither have anything to do with asylum seekers.

4068ac1elhodqr

Seathrun66 wrote: »

40 DPCs - Irish Times, 13/02/2019
Nursing Homes - over 460 according to Nursing Homes Ireland, the national representative body for NHs.

To cater for about 700,000 over the age of 65 whom may need some assistance after a lifetime of paying their direct/indirect taxes to the state.

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Plenty of land, only issue would be getting the University to sell it.

So sell of the University grounds to prevent future expansion or use, in favour of DP centres, hmmm not really a genius idea is it.

alastair

WB Yokes wrote: »

Truth be told, no one wants to live near a direct plantation centre.

Not everyone is a fearful race-obsessed gimp. So, no. That’s not true at all.

Seathrun66

Happyilylost wrote: »

Where did I say high crime? Stop making things up.

What do you mean then by 'plenty of crime'?

Boggles

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The parish priest here in Kilkenny was virtue signalling to the papers over the mosque last year. Calling everybody who was against it racist [the usual "I can't defend my policies so I'll just name call like child" Plus last Christmas during Advent went on a Pro refugee and pro Sharia spiel [referred to them as Angels sent from Heaven and should we follow the laws of God or the Laws of Man] So I sent him a letter stating that if he believes that they are Angels sent from heaven then he and the other priests should have no problems letting them live with them. They kept their mouth shut ever since [the dwindling collection plates probably sent the message to STFU as well. Plus one of the local journalists saying he had dirt on the local priest and he would reveal it if he kept his tirades up.

Welcome to today's edition of shít that never happened.

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

To cater for about 700,000 over the age of 65 whom may need some assistance after a lifetime of paying their direct/indirect taxes to the state.



So sell of the University grounds to prevent future expansion or use, in favour of DP centres, hmmm not really a genius idea is it.

You suggest abandoning ALL our pensioners to nursing homes rather than allow them to continue living in their family homes?

The university is expanding into Nun's Island. Towards the city centre, not out.

Topgear on Dave

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Plenty of land, only issue would be getting the University to sell it.

An intervention from their leading academic poet up in the phoenix park should be enough to remove any obstacles.

alastair

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

So the figure of 93% should be ignored and silenced, fine I guess???

Actually, you're the only real refugee-basher, by not even questioning the 93% figure, and by falsely calling what is invalid, as valid.

Think of all the genuine cases, that had their places stolen by the 93%.
A shameful agenda you have, likely you're at some fiscal benefit or with a vested interest in such centres.
Some folks would do anything to get rich!

Nobody’s place is stolen by anyone. The asylum seekers who have their claim accepted, have their claim assessed independently of anyone else’s claim. And again - it’s not a 93% rejection rate overall - with, or without the Syrian claims included in the equation.

WB Yokes

alastair wrote: »

Not everyone is a fearful race-obsessed gimp. So, no. That’s not true at all.

Calm down precious, its nothing to do with race. Unless your telling me Georgia and Albania arent white countries?

Happyilylost

Seathrun66 wrote: »

What do you mean then by 'plenty of crime'?

I meant that there is crime in Galway and in my humble opinion we have more than enough of it for a small little speck on the west coast of Europe.

alastair

WB Yokes wrote: »

Calm down precious, its nothing to do with race. Unless your telling me Georgia and Albania arent white countries?

You’re not particularly convincing on the whole ‘not racist’ front, cheers.

WB Yokes

alastair wrote: »

You’re not particularly convincing on the whole ‘not racist’ front, cheers.

Do you think I care? No one does, that game is up.

Seathrun66

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

An intervention from their leading academic poet up in the phoenix park should be enough to remove any obstacles.

Nope. It's being kept for the Bish school to move there in return for their land on Nun's Island.

Or a lot of cash, though they're in no great need of it.

Seathrun66

Happyilylost wrote: »

I meant that there is crime in Galway and in my humble opinion we have more than enough of it for a small little speck on the west coast of Europe.

So we have 'plenty of crime' but not 'high crime'? We have a semantics major amongst us.

Happyilylost

Seathrun66 wrote: »

So we have 'plenty of crime' but not 'high crime'? We have a semantics major amongst us.

Yes we have plenty of it. Thanks for finally grasping that. Any other misunderstandings you have feel free to forward onto me.

alastair

WB Yokes wrote: »

Do you think I care? No one does, that game is up.

I really don’t care what your opinion is on this, cheers.

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

You’ve zero evidence that any of the rejected asylum claims are illegal.....

If it's not valid then it's invalid. Simples.

This indicates that deception or flase information was used in order to gain status. If not illegal (entering a country illegally: without visa or genuine valid reason), it's certainly immoral.
Actual genuine cases could have been assisted, instead of wasting time and expense on countries with an exceeding high level of rejection (except for Syrians).

alastair wrote: »

Best not to mention sham marriages and notional taxi fraud alright. Neither have anything to do with asylum seekers.

Pakistan featured highly last year source of applicants (5th largest group), it also featured highly in a *national* taxi licence fraud, and in a spike of sham marriges as highlighted by operation vantage.

alastair

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

If it's not valid then it's invalid. Simples.



This indicates that deception or flase information was used in order to gain status. If not illegal (entering a country illegally: without visa or genuine valid reason), it's certainly immoral.



Actual genuine cases could have been assisted instead of wasting time and expense on exceeding high levels of rejection (except for Syrians).



Best not to mention sham marriages and notional taxi fraud alright. Neither have anything to do with asylum seekers.

Pakistan featured highly last year source of applicants (5th largest group), it also featured highly in a *national* taxi licence fraud, and in a spike of sham marriges as highlighted by operation vantage.[/QUOTE]

Not meeting the criteria for asylum status doesn’t imply an invalid claim, let alone an illegal claim.

Unless you can link any sham marriage or taxi scam with an asylum seeker, then nope - it’s nothing to do with the subject to hand. And to be clear - you cannot. Because there is none.

Bullocks

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Bullocks wrote: »

Bushypark would be much handier for them alright. Footpath all the way into the city. Plenty of land around Dangan could be used for building a hub for them

Plenty of land, only issue would be getting the University to sell it.

Why wouldn't they. Plenty of land owners along there still that might like to sell aswell

WB Yokes

alastair wrote: »

I really don’t care what your opinion is on this, cheers.

 Sláinte agus saol agat.

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

...it’s not a 93% rejection rate overall - with, or without the Syrian claims included in the equation.

....Again the point was made in regards to the other top 4 of the 5 top sources. There isn't a breakdown list available with every single country listed, just the top 5.


Again these (top 4/5) have a 93% average rejection rate, which really speaks volumes. You surely don't need to upload the big graphic-chart again? As hopefully you can comprehend such basic data and information on your own.

alastair

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

....Again the point was made in regards to the other top 4 of the 5 top sources. There isn't a breakdown list available with every single country listed, just the top 5.


Again these (top 4/5) have a 93% average rejection rate, which really speaks volumes. You surely don't need to upload the big graphic-chart again? As hopefully you can comprehend such basic data and information on your own.

There isn’t a break down for all nationalities of applicants, but there is a total, and a Syrian-specific breakdown, so it’s easy enough to determine that the average rejection rate, sans Syrians, was not 93%. That only applied to a couple of nationalities. Why pretend a cherry-picked sample is an average?

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

Not meeting the criteria for asylum status doesn’t imply an invalid claim.

A rejection is a rejection.

Maybe you're the type that pesters ladies at the bar/cafe, after they tell you to go away, or that they're not interested.

Rejection
/rɪˈdʒɛkʃ(ə)n/
noun
noun: rejection; plural noun: rejections
the dismissing or refusing of a proposal, idea, etc.

Ah who knows, only speculating here of course, to explain what the word or 'concept of rejection' actually means, in this current reality we live in.

alastair

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

A rejection is a rejection.

Yes, it is. But nothing in a rejection implies an invalid claim, or anything illegal.
You believe that every prosecution, unless successful in court, is an invalid prosecution?

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

There isn’t a break down for all nationalities of applicants...

Correct but there is a top5, and of the other 4 countries there was a waaaay huge, and significant irregularity. Why do you continue to ignore this simply fact?



Why try to cherry pick from lower hierarchial data?

The (top) 5 is highly relevant, even as a simple overview.

Seathrun66

Happyilylost wrote: »

Yes we have plenty of it. Thanks for finally grasping that. Any other misunderstandings you have feel free to forward onto me.

You missed the question mark? And there's really very little crime here. Lowest county with a major urban centre in the country. Ireland low for the continent and Europe low for the planet. Overall doing pretty well. As the first three months of 2019 weren't enough here are the figures for 2018, also a drop of 10%.

https://connachttribune.ie/cso-figures-show-10-drop-in-crime-rate-last-year-010/

Seathrun66

Bullocks wrote: »

Why wouldn't they. Plenty of land owners along there still that might like to sell aswell

As previously posted much of that land is set aside for the Bish school to move there in return for the University getting their land to expand onto Nun's Island.

They also don't need to sell and under no pressure to do so.

Would be happy if they did. A good location for a DPC.

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

....Again the point was made in regards to the other top 4 of the 5 top sources. There isn't a breakdown list available with every single country listed, just the top 5.


Again these (top 4/5) have a 93% average rejection rate, which really speaks volumes. You surely don't need to upload the big graphic-chart again? As hopefully you can comprehend such basic data and information on your own.

Can't stop using the distorted figures can you? Not the top five but four of them. Not the overall figure as it doesn't suit you. Gives your point no credence.

Seathrun66

Lawson Ambitious Condo wrote: »

Correct but there is a top5, and of the other 4 countries there was a waaaay huge, and significant irregularity. Why do you continue to ignore this simply fact?



Why try to cherry pick from lower hierarchial data?

The (top) 5 is highly relevant, even as a simple overview.

No-one else is cherry-picking but you. We're looking at the entire figure.

eagle eye

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Still on about the mythical gang terrorising the city? The gang the press and locals know nothing about. That same gang of crazy outlaws?

So under the radar than only a privileged few know of their existence. Why not sell the inside scoop to the Mail or Star, lots of back-clapping and cash heading your way?

Did you ask a garda like you said you were going to? Obviously not because you are still posting here and you've said you would stop posting in this thread if there was a gang in Galway. There is one and you've been given proof as it's in a paper about Goodnews and a gang but that wasn't enough for you so I presented Tom Williams his buddy but that isn't enough for you either so I suggested you ask a Garda and you said you would.



You are still here though posting away so you are a liar. Lying that you would stop posting if it was proven there was a gang, lying that you would talk to a Garda, changing the goalposts whenever it suits you.

A regular member of the liberal nazi organisation obviously.