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oughterard people - see OP for Mod warning 29/09/19

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    #2702
    Happyilylost
    Registered Users Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    alastair wrote: »
    Given that’s what it says, I’m happy to take that from it.

    First paragraph.

    News that thousands of failed asylum seekers who seemingly disappeared without trace begs one question: where have they gone? The uncomfortable truth is that the Irish authorities simply do not know.

    That is what it says alright.


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    #2703
    Baggly
    Registered Users Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Mod

    Woodsie1, either start paying attention to the figures others have provided, or dont post in this thread again.

    Thanks.


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    #2704
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Just on this. Did I vote on this? Did I vote for some asylum thing that I'm unaware of?

    No. Do you vote on every single policy or international treaty?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2705
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyilylost wrote: »
    First paragraph.

    News that thousands of failed asylum seekers who seemingly disappeared without trace begs one question: where have they gone? The uncomfortable truth is that the Irish authorities simply do not know.

    That is what it says alright.

    But they have gone. Which is the point.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111381710&postcount=2645


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    #2706
    Happyilylost
    Registered Users Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    alastair wrote: »
    But they have gone. Which is the point.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111381710&postcount=2645

    So they could be in the U.K or they could be on the Aran Islands? If nobody is tracking them then surely one scenario is as likely as the other?


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    #2707
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyilylost wrote: »
    So they could be in the U.K or they could be on the Aran Islands? If nobody is tracking them then surely one scenario is as likely as the other?

    It made clear they were not in Ireland any more, so the Aran Islands? Not so much.


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    #2708
    Happyilylost
    Registered Users Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    alastair wrote: »
    It made clear they were not in Ireland any more, so the Aran Islands? Not so much.

    Can you quote from the article where it was made clear they are not in Ireland anymore? Simply says they've no idea where they are.


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    #2709
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Gatling wrote: »
    oughterard isn't boards now is it .

    Its clear as day Oughterard was descended on by outsiders in relation to this.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #2710
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Happyilylost wrote: »
    Can you quote from the article where it was made clear they are not in Ireland anymore? Simply says they've no idea where they are.

    Sure:
    If their asylum claim fails in their country of choice, it is hardly surprising they would depart for another jurisdiction before being forcibly removed by the Garda.


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    #2711
    ToBeFrank123
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    alastair wrote: »
    But they have gone. Which is the point.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111381710&postcount=2645

    One was caught on a bus re-entering the state, or possibly was moving back and forth. The border between Ireland and the UK is porous/non existent at the moment. Asylum seekers can move back and forth easily enough.

    So they may have left, they may not have. The may have left and come back. As the authorities admit, they simply do not know.


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    #2712
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    One was caught on a bus re-entering the state, or possibly was moving back and forth. The border between Ireland and the UK is porous/non existent at the moment. Asylum seekers can move back and forth easily enough.

    So they may have left, they may not have. The may have left and come back. As the authorities admit, they simply do not know.

    No evidence of anyone not having left though, so nothing to support the theory of notional remaining deported asylum seekers.

    Still waiting for those links on the supposed Ballsbridge DPC protests.


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    #2713
    Happyilylost
    Registered Users Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    alastair wrote: »
    Sure:

    "Hardly surprising" An educated man/woman would nearly contend that statement is a guess. Is there a reason why you don't think its plausible for an asylum seeker to land here walk into the front door of DPC and walk out the back door of DPC as they so choose? Its not unknown for asylum seeker to be in the system to then go missing only to turn up again further down the line.

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    Can you quote from the article where it was made clear they are not in Ireland anymore? Simply says they've no idea where they are.
    Sure:
    Quote:
    If their asylum claim fails in their country of choice, it is hardly surprising they would depart for another jurisdiction before being forcibly removed by the Garda.


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    #2714
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Its clear as day Oughterard was descended on by outsiders in relation to this.

    I agree it went from not wanting refugees at all to being against direct provision only. Clearly outside interference. The pakistani pbf man was over there handing out placards.


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    #2715
    Wibbling wonder
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    WB Yokes wrote: »
    I agree it went from not wanting refugees at all to being against direct provision only. Clearly outside interference. The pakistani pbf man was over there handing out placards.

    No he wasn't, I saw him at the initial meeting in the community centre following which he accused us of being racists. When he started to understand our actual reasoning he then flip flopped and started supporting us. Those placards were not made, funded or handed out by him or GARN. I didn't see it on Saturday but heard from a friend that two people tried to join the march displaying signs that weren't aligned to our messaging so were asked to take them down and not participate.


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    #2716
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Wibbling wonder wrote: »
    heard from a friend that two people tried to join the march displaying signs that weren't aligned to our messaging so were asked to take them down and not participate.

    Understandable. ‘No to Racism’ is not really on-message, is it?


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    #2717
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    Yet another fire set by asylum seekers on a Greek island. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVpvAo8Rgzc
    This is completely unsustainable. Europe is just not in the shape for it, especially Greece.


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    #2718
    jay0109
    Registered Users Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭jay0109


    alastair wrote: »
    No evidence of anyone not having left though, so nothing to support the theory of notional remaining deported asylum seekers.

    Still waiting for those links on the supposed Ballsbridge DPC protests.

    https://www.mrci.ie/our-work/justice-for-undocumented/
    MRCI estimates that there are between 20,000 and 26,000 undocumented migrants - including children and families - living and working in Ireland. The majority have been here many years.
    20-26k probably being on the very understated side too because that suits MRCI's argument


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    #2719
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    Wibbling wonder wrote: »
    No he wasn't, I saw him at the initial meeting in the community centre following which he accused us of being racists. When he started to understand our actual reasoning he then flip flopped and started supporting us. Those placards were not made, funded or handed out by him or GARN. I didn't see it on Saturday but heard from a friend that two people tried to join the march displaying signs that weren't aligned to our messaging so were asked to take them down and not participate.

    Can you tell us what exactly is the message from the people of Oughterard as it seems to be forever changing?


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    #2720
    WB Yokes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 370 ✭✭WB Yokes


    PostWoke wrote: »
    Yet another fire set by asylum seekers on a Greek island. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVpvAo8Rgzc
    This is completely unsustainable. Europe is just not in the shape for it, especially Greece.

    Only upside to this is nice cheap holidays to the Greek islands.


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    #2721
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    WB Yokes wrote: »
    Can you tell us what exactly is the message from the people of Oughterard as it seems to be forever changing?

    "No thank you."


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    #2722
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    jay0109 wrote: »
    https://www.mrci.ie/our-work/justice-for-undocumented/

    20-26k probably being on the very understated side too because that suits MRCI's argument

    Migrants aren’t asylum seekers.


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    #2723
    ToBeFrank123
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    alastair wrote: »
    No evidence of anyone not having left though, so nothing to support the theory of notional remaining deported asylum seekers.

    Still waiting for those links on the supposed Ballsbridge DPC protests.

    He was in the country. What more evidence do you want. He was arrested, imprisoned for 26 days and won a pay out for his troubles.

    Did I say Ballsbridge DPC protests? I said a legal challenge. Not me, a journalist referenced it. Take it up with her.


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    #2724
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    alastair wrote: »
    And nothing to do with the EU.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111382357&postcount=2684

    Appeals you asked about...


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    #2725
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    He was in the country. What more evidence do you want. He was arrested, imprisoned for 26 days and won a pay out for his troubles.

    Did I say Ballsbridge DPC protests? I said a legal challenge. Not me, a journalist referenced it. Take it up with her.

    He had left the country. That’s the clear evidence.

    Link to the supposed Ballsbridge legal challenge then. Who’s this journalist?


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    #2726
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Appeals you asked about...

    EU initiated appeals I asked about.


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    #2727
    Wibbling wonder
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭Wibbling wonder


    WB Yokes wrote: »
    Can you tell us what exactly is the message from the people of Oughterard as it seems to be forever changing?

    We are protesting against the Direct Provision system and process that gives no one a voice. I don't think that our message has been changing but acknowledge that during the initial phases of the protest we were naive and there were people jumping on the bandwagon making all sorts of outlandish claims. We've looked to distance ourselves from either the left or right wing activists.

    To your point Alastair, I don't think the signs were simply "no to racism" but stand to be corrected as I didn't see them but we didn't want to be associated with the GARN protest.


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    #2728
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    alastair wrote: »
    EU initiated appeals I asked about.

    No, you asked what "appeals..."
    You're the only one trying to frame them in a European context.

    & Bear in mind our legal system anyway is within a European legal framework.Fail in the Irish HC. theres always ECHR...


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    #2729
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Wibbling wonder wrote: »
    To your point Alastair, I don't think the signs were simply "no to racism" but stand to be corrected as I didn't see them but we didn't want to be associated with the GARN protest.

    That’s literally the exact and only words on one of the two placards.

    The other said ‘Refugees welcome. give racism the red card”


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    #2730
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    alastair wrote: »
    Sure:

    Thats not evidence they've left.
    Thats one possible outcome on failing in ones application


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    #2731
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    No, you asked what "appeals..."
    You're the only one trying to frame them in a European context.

    Nope, the context is clear as day in the post I handily provided to you. Look again.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111382357&postcount=2684


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