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JSheridan81 · 15-09-2019 10:14pm #1

Could really do with some advice.

Had my house rewired, so while I was at it I got the electrician to install Cat 5e cables.

Before I gave them the go ahead I asked had he experience in doing it and he said yes.

I think I may have been shafted as I just inspected the house this evening and he's wired the livingroom and both bedrooms up, but the cable just comes out of the wall in each room and is coiled up with nothing on the end of them!

I'd no idea where it all goes back to! I rang the electrician and he said it's wired up to a housing unit in the bedroom inside the hotpress!

I had a look but I can't open the unit as no screwdriver.

I'm in no way a techi so I've no idea what he's done. I assumed there'd be ports(or whatever they are called) in each room where I could just plug the ethernet cable in to.

If anyone can help me with this I'd be so grateful!

Melted · 15-09-2019 10:21pm

It sounds like the cables should be terminated to a patch panel, the hotpress seems like a strange place for it though?

The standard terminating connector on most CAT5/data cable would be the RJ45, but without you specifiing to the electrician what the cabled will be plugged into he cannot make a guess. Its simpe to add RJ45 connector to the ends of CAT just google it, make sure you pay attention to the cable colours, a 5minute video on youtube and you will be a pro.

20 euro crimping tool, rj45 connectors 5 euro? and your sorted.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 15-09-2019 10:35pm

If you've paid money for that work it is not acceptable. Sounds like a cowboy to be honest. Why should you have to finish his incompetent installation?

listermint · 15-09-2019 10:38pm

Nalani Low Children wrote: »

If you've paid money for that work it is not acceptable. Sounds like a cowboy to be honest. Why should you have to finish his incompetent installation?

Unfair. We have no idea what spec the op asked for

For all we know he just asked for cat 5 to be run. Which it was...

lawred2 · 15-09-2019 10:40pm

Nalani Low Children wrote: »

If you've paid money for that work it is not acceptable. Sounds like a cowboy to be honest. Why should you have to finish his incompetent installation?

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Based on what?

The OP admits to being clueless and to not even possessing a screwdriver.

What specs did the OP give for the network layout?

JSheridan81 · 15-09-2019 10:41pm

Melted wrote: »

It sounds like the cables should be terminated to a patch panel, the hotpress seems like a strange place for it though?

The standard terminating connector on most CAT5/data cable would be the RJ45, but without you specifiing to the electrician what the cabled will be plugged into he cannot make a guess. Its simpe to add RJ45 connector to the ends of CAT just google it, make sure you pay attention to the cable colours, a 5minute video on youtube and you will be a pro.

20 euro crimping tool, rj45 connectors 5 euro? and your sorted.

Sorry i I'm not replying correctly, I haven't used this before! The hotpress is in the bedroom and bolier is hid in there also so I don't know why it was put in there! I'm getting Virgin Media installed on Wednesday, so what exactly do I do? As in how do I connect the router up if it is in the hotpress

tsue921i8wljb3 · 15-09-2019 10:41pm

Those coiled up unterminated Ethernet are very useful.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 15-09-2019 10:42pm

JSheridan81 wrote: »

Sorry i I'm not replying correctly, I haven't used this before! The hotpress is in the bedroom and bolier is hid in there also so I don't know why it was put in there! I'm getting Virgin Media installed on Wednesday, so what exactly do I do? As in how do I connect the router up if it is in the hotpress

Throw up a few pictures of the installation. Both ends i.e room and hotpress.

JSheridan81 · 15-09-2019 10:44pm

lawred2 wrote: »

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Based on what?

The OP admits to being clueless and to not even possessing a screwdriver.

What specs did the OP give for the network layout?

No screwdriver as I only moved in to the house tonight and still haven't unpacked. I asked for the house to be wired up so that I would have wired Internet in each room

the_syco · 15-09-2019 10:44pm

JSheridan81 wrote: »

Had my house rewired, so while I was at it I got the electrician to install Cat 5e cables.

JSheridan81 wrote: »

I think I may have been shafted as I just inspected the house this evening and he's wired the livingroom and both bedrooms up, but the cable just comes out of the wall in each room and is coiled up with nothing on the end of them!

You got exactly what you asked for.

JSheridan81 wrote: »

I'd no idea where it all goes back to! I rang the electrician and he said it's wired up to a housing unit in the bedroom inside the hotpress!

I'm assuming that there is a switch in there.

=-=

Did you ask him to wire it to your router, and did you tell him where your router is?

listermint · 15-09-2019 10:47pm

Nalani Low Children wrote: »

Those coiled up unterminated Ethernet are very useful.

An electrician isn't going to plan out a network installation for him.
He got what he asked for.

Why did he even get the cable in the first place it's not required for Virgin router.

the_syco · 15-09-2019 10:50pm

JSheridan81 wrote: »

I'm getting Virgin Media installed on Wednesday, so what exactly do I do?

Virgin media box will most likely be installed in your living room.

I'd advise you not to crimp the existing lines, but rather have them connected to an RJ45 wall plates. This will allow you to connect any length of cable to it.

You can then connect the Virgin box to the RJ45 wall plate with an ethernet cable.

the_syco · 15-09-2019 10:51pm

listermint wrote: »

Why did he even get the cable in the first place it's not required for Virgin router.

I'm going to assume hes had bad experience streaming over WiFi.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 15-09-2019 10:51pm

JSheridan81 wrote: »

No screwdriver as I only moved in to the house tonight and still haven't unpacked. I asked for the house to be wired up so that I would have wired Internet in each room

listermint wrote: »

An electrician isn't going to plan out a network installation for him.
He got what he asked for.

Why did he even get the cable in the first place it's not required for Virgin router.

No he didn't get what he asked for if he specified that he wanted "wired internet in each room". The electrician is the supposed professional. He should clarify with the layperson what they want and what that will entail. Leaving unterminated cables poking out of walls is a joke.

Wheety · 15-09-2019 10:58pm

Have you got any pics? Sounds like the cables are all in a switch in the hotpress and then run to each room. You'll need to get Internet to the switch. If Virgin is installed in your sitting room, plug the cable from the wall into the Virgin box. If you only have one cable in each room, you can use a switch to give multiple devices access to the Internet. I'm basing this on a presumption that the cables in each room already have a RJ45. It's not very clear how the electrician has left things.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 15-09-2019 11:02pm

Why are people assuming there's a switch? He specified that the cables are running to a "housing unit" that requires a screwdriver to open. It sounds like he's wired them into an electrical junction box.

TheChizler · 15-09-2019 11:06pm

I'd be surprised if there's a patch panel never mind a switch in the hot press. It's a bit subjective but if I asked someone to run ethernet cables everywhere I'd be annoyed if they terminated them as I hadn't asked for it, would have felt gouged.

Easiest thing to do is pick a wall plate you like, and ask him to come back and install if you're not comfortable doing it yourself. Are there back boxes or is it just cable sticking out of the wall?

Thanatosgratus · 15-09-2019 11:08pm

Pics of the "housing unit" and the cable with cable markings would really help

Melted · 15-09-2019 11:36pm

JSheridan81 wrote: »

Sorry i I'm not replying correctly, I haven't used this before! The hotpress is in the bedroom and bolier is hid in there also so I don't know why it was put in there! I'm getting Virgin Media installed on Wednesday, so what exactly do I do? As in how do I connect the router up if it is in the hotpress

I was not thinking right, the ends coiled up in your bedroom you will want to wire them to a plate, before you do that you will want to find where the oposite ends are terminated if at all! check the hot press. there could be a patch panel, i doubt the electrician would have put a switch in there for you, it sounds like you just have the cabels in the HP with no termination....

If so maybe think of terminating all the cables in there to a patch panel? but tbh HP does not sound like a great place if you were to ternimate those cables there. and routers, network storage or witches would over heat in there...

Try and bring the cables to your garage, utility room or attic, thats what I would do.

JSheridan81 · 18-09-2019 1:34pm

In the house now. Will post pics shortly.

Johnboy1951 · 18-09-2019 4:25pm

JSheridan81 wrote: »

Could really do with some advice.

Had my house rewired, so while I was at it I got the electrician to install Cat 5e cables.

Before I gave them the go ahead I asked had he experience in doing it and he said yes.

I think I may have been shafted as I just inspected the house this evening and he's wired the livingroom and both bedrooms up, but the cable just comes out of the wall in each room and is coiled up with nothing on the end of them!

I'd no idea where it all goes back to! I rang the electrician and he said it's wired up to a housing unit in the bedroom inside the hotpress!

I had a look but I can't open the unit as no screwdriver.

I'm in no way a techi so I've no idea what he's done. I assumed there'd be ports(or whatever they are called) in each room where I could just plug the ethernet cable in to.

If anyone can help me with this I'd be so grateful!

When you rang him did he say the job was finished?

All this nonsense about you never asked for face plates but just the wires left hanging out of the wall, is not taking into account that it was your electrician who contracted to do the job.

Did you have to specifically state to him that you wanted socket boxes on the ends of the electrical cables?
I would think not.
Neither should you expect to have to specify that RJ45 sockets in faceplates be attached to the ends of the ethernet cable.

So yes, if he actually knew what he was doing he would have completed the job.
That would include not only face plates and sockets in the rooms for ethernet, but also testing each cable run back to the central point, which should NOT be next to a source of heat and water.

All of this should have been discussed with you.

JSheridan81 · 24-09-2019 12:42am

TheChizler wrote: »

I'd be surprised if there's a patch panel never mind a switch in the hot press. It's a bit subjective but if I asked someone to run ethernet cables everywhere I'd be annoyed if they terminated them as I hadn't asked for it, would have felt gouged.

Easiest thing to do is pick a wall plate you like, and ask him to come back and install if you're not comfortable doing it yourself. Are there back boxes or is it just cable sticking out of the wall?

it's just cable sticking out of the walls

JSheridan81 · 24-09-2019 12:51am

I'm away with work, asked the other half to send the pics. This is all she's sent. One box is the house alarm, the other is where the cables run back to. Inside it is just the exposed cables.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 24-09-2019 1:24am

JSheridan81 wrote: »

I'm away with work, asked the other half to send the pics. This is all she's sent. One box is the house alarm, the other is where the cables run back to. Inside it is just the exposed cables.

Find someone who knows what they are doing. He's probably not even left enough slack in there to fit to a patch panel. He's basically run some cable and left it. I'd be looking for my money back if you paid him for anything more than running cable.

JSheridan81 · 24-09-2019 9:58am

Nalani Low Children wrote: »

Find someone who knows what they are doing. He's probably not even left enough slack in there to fit to a patch panel. He's basically run some cable and left it. I'd be looking for my money back if you paid him for anything more than running cable.

I specified I wanted wired internet in each bedroom and the livingroom. He told me no worries he knows what he's doing. I myself am not very technical so I assumed he knew what he was doing. Main reason I wanted wired was that my missus can work from home as the spare bedroom is set up as an office.

dam099 · 24-09-2019 7:39pm

JSheridan81 wrote: »

I'm away with work, asked the other half to send the pics. This is all she's sent. One box is the house alarm, the other is where the cables run back to. Inside it is just the exposed cables.

Is there an attic above that hotpress? Assuming walls are all closed up and you dont want to be re-running cables I'd consider putting some keystones on the ends of the cables and attaching a bunch more CAT5e cables and running them up the wall to the attic into a patch panel and/or switch to avoid the heat if there is power up there. I'd suspect as Navi mentioned there is bugger all slack on those. How many rooms/cables should be running back to there?

JSheridan81 · 24-09-2019 7:45pm

dam099 wrote: »

Is there an attic above that hotpress? Assuming walls are all closed up and you dont want to be re-running cables I'd consider putting some keystones on the ends of the cables and attaching a bunch more CAT5e cables and running them up the wall to the attic into a patch panel and/or switch to avoid the heat if there is power up there. I'd suspect as Navi mentioned there is bugger all slack on those. How many rooms/cables should be running back to there?

5 cables running back to there. Yeah attic is above the hotpress. There is about 1ft of cable coming out of the wall in each location. And a bit of slack on each cable inside that unit

gctest50 · 24-09-2019 8:00pm

You need one of these or similar for that unit :

https://www.elara.ie/productdetail.aspx?mancode=TC-P08C5E&manufacturer=TRENDNET

will post more in a few minutes

gctest50 · 24-09-2019 8:16pm

Sockets for your rooms :

https://www.cablemonkey.ie/cat5e-modules-and-wall-outlets/27-excel-cat5e-utp-rj45-loaded-faceplates.html

A little tool to put the individual wires into the back of the sockets :

https://www.cablemonkey.ie/cat5e-modules-and-wall-outlets/7890-ccs-krone-style-idc-punchdown-tool-5056045700424.html

Patch cables to go between your wall socket and computer, wall socket snd modem etc

( get a few 1 meter ones while you are at it, always useful)

https://www.cablemonkey.ie/rj45-network-cables/41829-cat5e-rj45-patch-cables.html

gctest50 · 24-09-2019 8:24pm

Have a close look at the tool, one side of it has a tiny cutter to automatically chop off the extra wire

You'll notice the wires are in pairs, green + green/white, orange + orange/white, try to "unwrap" them as little as possible..... see video below

JSheridan81 · 24-09-2019 9:13pm

gctest50 wrote: »

Have a close look at the tool, one side of it has a tiny cutter to automatically chop off the extra wire

You'll notice the wires are in pairs, green + green/white, orange + orange/white, try to "unwrap" them as little as possible..... see video below

I will have a look at that now. And cheers buddy. Thanks very much for all your help

davebuck · 24-09-2019 9:22pm

My advise would be to get someone in to finish the job for you unless you're familiar with cat5/6 wiring and terminations. Tell them exactly your requirements in each room and more importantly the entry point and broadband router location in the house.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 24-09-2019 9:27pm

davebuck wrote: »

My advise would be to get someone in to finish the job for you unless you're familiar with cat5/6 wiring and terminations. Tell them exactly your requirements in each room and more importantly the entry point and broadband router location in the house.

I'd agree with this.

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