Quinn Director abducted and assaulted

James Brown

JeffKenna wrote: »

Who do you think the paymaster is?

I thought he was arguing that Quinn's interests don't match that of the IRA.
Closest affiliation might be 'someone' hired some goons with previous affiliation to people affiliated to the IRA. Likely, considering the geography.

BarryD2

ThunderCat wrote: »

Irish Times now reporting that a treasure trove of documents/information found at site of yer mans death.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/police-find-treasure-trove-as-main-suspect-in-kevin-lunney-attack-dies-during-raid-1.4076596

Is there a tactic there of flushing people out, flustering suspects?

woohoo!!!

JeffKenna wrote: »

Who do you think the paymaster is?

Not the ra or Quinn anyway. Let's see what the raids actually turn up besides useless and libellous speculation.

tayto lover

Silly Gilly wrote: »

I think a taser may have been involved.

No tazer according to the latest reports.
He just keeled over in shock.

Danzy

DFGrange wrote: »

Ahem... I'm only speculating here. It's possible that SQ was set up and protected by the IRA from the outset and in their mind it's their company.


I'm just guessing..


Sean Quinn being the front for very very very bad people laundering money from major bank raids in recent times... it's their retirement fund.



Maybe.. just speculating..

Speculation but crazy speculation.

Danzy

Going by the Irish Times he believed the Safe house he was in was completely unknown.

He had electronic devices, documents etc.

Possibly all the stuff he wanted hidden as well.

So it might be a treasure trove of information.

It might just be pornhub and his boards.ie account as well.

cameramonkey

This is from an Indie media article.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/70223?search_text=berties&comment_order=asc&userlanguage=ga

3. One of the biggest of the IRA attacks has to be the Bishopsgate bomb in London. Here are some quotes from MI5 dissident David Shayler's account of the activities of the security forces prior to the bombing :
"The story begins on Friday, August 7, 1992, during an MI5 investigation into the Provisional IRA (PIRA, the MI5 term) operation on the British mainland. An M15 officer is on the third floor of the organisation's building in Curzon Street, drafting the situation report for the investigation into an active service unit (ASU), which has been followed, moving suspicious trucks around West London.

Reporting indicates that the ASU is planning a large-scale attack in London, like the ones that took place six months earlier at the Baltic Exchange in the City and at Staples Corner near the MI/M25 intersection. The situation report will go out to all services involved in the operation, updating them on the state of play.

That Friday evening, all is calm. The joint Met 'S' Squad/MI5 surveillance team has tracked the lorry to a trailer park in North-West London. The ASU is under control and it looks like any potential attack will be thwarted and the culprits caught red-handed.

This is the last operation with the MPSB (the Metropolitan Police Special Branch), leading the intelligence investigation. Home Secretary Kenneth Clarke has already decided to switch the roles of MI5 and the MPSB for IRA investigations in Britain. After October 1, 1992, MI5 will be in charge and MPSB will offer support.

That night, a special operation team makes a covert entry into the lorry yard and drills a hole in the top of the trailer. This reveals that it contains up to 300lbs of homemade explosive and possibly detonators.

In the MI5 jargon, this makes the lorry a "vehicle-borne improvised explosive device". It appears to hold well over twice the amount of ammonium nitrate and sugar (which form the explosive compound) used at
the Baltic Exchange or Staples Corner.

The intelligence services do not know the actual targets of the potential attack. Officers are speculating that these might include key centres of the UK infrastructure or economy like the Telecom Tower, Tottenham Court Road, Oxford Street, Canary Wharf or even the MI5 building itself.

Now that the special operations team has confirmed that the vehicle is ready to be primed, it seems likely that any planned attack is imminent. Over the weekend, the heads of the services involved meet and agree to
arrest the ASU when they return to pick up the lorry.

Sure enough, in the following days the ASU returns. The Met's anti-terrorist squad takes control of the operation from intelligence teams because "executive action" - in other words arrests are imminent. They
wait until the members of the ASU - around four or five individuals, some of whom have not been identified - further incriminate themselves by touching or checking the trailer.

As the targets gather around the truck, the leader of the surveillance team at the site tries to contact George Churchill-Coleman, the then head of the anti-terrorist squad and one of Britain's most senior policemen. The man in-situ wants to brief Churchill-Coleman with the updates and ask for permission to arrest the suspected terrorists.

He tries the operations rooms on the lath floor of New Scotland Yard. He tries the operations room working in support at MI5's Curzon Street building. He tries Churchill-Coleman's mobile number. It is switched
off. The New Scotland Yard operations room tries to track down the elusive head of Britain's terrorist policing - and fails.

The officer at the site knows that if he gives the order without first clearing it with his boss he will be to blame should anything go wrong, This not a matter of legal procedure or a hard-and-fast rule; the
officer at the scene can give the arrest order, if he wishes.

He decides against doing so. He has his future in the police to think about and, in any case, the Met should be able to track down Churchill-Coleman shortly. The latter does, after all, know that there is a serious
counter-terrorist operation proceeding apace.

But Churchill-Coleman does not get in touch. Suddenly, the ASU start to file out of the lorry yard. One by one they leave. None of the many of policemen or intelligence officers present dare to give the arrest
order.

As the final member of the ASU leaves the yard, he seems to have spotted the surveillance. He smiles and gives a cocky thumbs-up before climbing into a car and roaring off.

He has already been identified as Cyril "Jimmy" McGuinness. The Met has known him for many years for his role in routine but major vehicle theft. This is some of the first evidence that his tricks of acquiring, "ringing" - fitting a stolen vehicle with the registration and chassis numbers of a legally registered vehicle belonging to someone else - and selling on knocked-off cars and lorries has a more sinister purpose: that he is carrying out these tasks in support of PIRA. Although three people are later arrested in connection with the operation, they are released without charge. McGuinness is not among those arrested.

Fast forward to April 24,1993 [the day of the bombing]......For the record, the bomb consisted of one tonne of home-made explosive and 10lbs of Semtex to help detonate it. It killed one person, Ed Henry, a 'News of the World' photographer, and injured 36. It also caused 350 million of damage to a million-and-a-half square feet of office space in the heart of the City.

In a single attack, PIRA cost the UK economy several times as much as the entire Troubles had cost over the previous 20-odd years.
...
On the Friday of the following week, police released video photographs of two men, their faces largely covered by hoods, jumping from the bomb lorry before it had exploded. These were circulated among the officers of MI5's T2A section and the men were quickly identified as Cyril "Jimmy" McGuinness and his erstwhile sidekick, Damien "Redboy" McPhillips, another criminal well known to the Met for car crime.

By this time, the two were also familiar to MI5. They had not been arrested in the wake of the North London operation's failure and had gone on to lead MI5 a merry dance for six months. The service had spent millions of pounds on following them all over the country It had also tapped their wide range of mobile phones and tried to effect "covert entries" (or burglaries) of their premises to gather evidence against the two.

At the same time, Jimmy and Redboy had imported and exported stolen vehicles, either for their own profit or in support of the IRA's mainland bombing campaign. Stolen or "ringed" vehicles were being used increasingly in Britain either to smuggle PIRA Semtex and weapons into the country or to transport primed bombs to their targets. Although MI5 had an abundance of information linking the two to car crime, it never gathered enough evidence to have them arrested and convicted in connection with terrorist offences. At the same time, the pair appeared not to give two hoots that MI5 was watching them almost round the clock.
.............
That period [those 6 months] had seen more IRA attacks on the British mainland than ever before. The devastation of Bishopsgate was, it seemed, the icing on the cake of M15's humiliation.
...........
I would hope that the authorities considered having McGuinness arrested that weekend, just in case, but it wasn't clear from the discussion in the week afterwards whether that option had been floated at all.
...........
Around this time McGuinness was finally arrested in connection with routine car crime. He was charged with a variety of offences, none of them relating to terrorism.
...........
And maybe, just maybe, [ if McGinness had been arrested earlier] Bishopsgate would never have happened at all and the IRA would have been forced around the negotiating table much, much sooner. "(79)

As you can see Shayler is laying a very heavy hint that the Bishopsgate bomber was under the protection of the security forces. This is doubtless why the Punch article he wrote this in is not allowed to be sold in the UK.(80)

cameramonkey

Its interesting that some on here think that there is a shady organistion behind Quinn directing operations and pulling the strings. They cant fathom that the Quinn was run and directed by Quinn himself who worked hard, had a few advantages and is ruthless.

Some here with a certain political agenda like to see provos under every bush and seem to think that they had their paws in every pot and were extorting here there and everywhere and were so good that no one knew. At the same time the same people claim from a height that they were infiltrated to such an extent that the Brits knew everything that they were doing and if they farted the Brits knew it 5 minutes before hand.

There were far bigger beasts than the provos operating in Ireland north and south who knew and directed what was going on. Indeed the now head of the Garda was part of that set up.

cameramonkey

Danzy wrote: »

Going by the Irish Times he believed the Safe house he was in was completely unknown.

He had electronic devices, documents etc.

Possibly all the stuff he wanted hidden as well.

So it might be a treasure trove of information.

It might just be pornhub and his boards.ie account as well.

He is well known by MI5 Mi6 etc ect but never arrested for the serious stuff he did, it was like he was untouchable. They are spinning a yarn.

cameramonkey

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-14493191

Even with a european arrest warrant the UK or Irish police could not find him. It was left to others to arrest, extradite and jail him. What a clumsy set of security forces we have.

Sofiztikated

Muahahaha wrote: »

Lads ye seem to have some good local knowledge, who was this Dublin Jimmy and what criminal activity was he running in the area? Was he ex-IRA or just a common criminal?

He'd do anything for the sake of money.

Iodine1

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not diminishing for a second anything he did. I just think that other people who fell, and there were many, didn't perhaps get treated as harshly as Quinn was. Many of them are back in business happily today. Many of them escaped any serious consequences for their wrongdoing/mistakes.

Quinn wasn't treated harshly or any different from others who went bankrupt. His businesses were bust. The insurance co was totally unviable and money was used to prop up the rest. We are still bailing out the insurance company even those who never had a policy with it. But Quinn did not cooperate with the state trying to rescue it, was in contempt and left everything in a mess, while moving money around abroad to hide it.

Muahahaha

Seth Brundle wrote: »

The we had the lengthy chase to find out where all of his assets were - doubtful that everything was found.

DFGrange wrote: »

Sean jnr and his sisters took out €30m each from QDI months before the crash.

Not only that when Anglo came calling their debts in they wanted to take possession of numerous properties held by the Quinn Group in Ukraine, Russia and Cyprus. Sean Quinn Jnr. went out to Ukraine and signed over a massive Kiev shopping centre to a Ukrainian railway worker who he had never met before. The contracts were all in Russian and he signed the lot away. Story I heard from a friend working in commercial property was that they were dealing with the Russian mafia and the scam was that the mafia would hold the assets until this all blew over and then sell them back to Quinn and take a slice. Problem for the Quinns was as soon as the Russian mafia had stacks of Quinn property they just told them to take a running jump and never set foot on Russian soil again. Its us the taxpayer that is now on the hook for this, Quinn tried to pull a fast one on everyone and the only people who benefited were the Russian mafia, they must have thought all their Christmases came at once with this dumb Paddy begging to give them all his property.

Seth Brundle wrote: »

...aah sure maybe the locals up around Ballyconnell & Derrylin will throw some money towards him.
They could have a fundraiser event and Mickey "You know decent people when you meet them. The Quinns are decent people." Harte and Fr Brian D'Arcy will even turn up! :rolleyes:

Well Mickey Harte is a fine man for giving a rapist who dumped his victim half naked into a ditch out of a moving van a character reference in court. And all this after his own daughter was brutally attacked and killed. So that tells us all what Mickey Hartes definition of 'decent' is.

FrancieBrady

Iodine1 wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not diminishing for a second anything he did. I just think that other people who fell, and there were many, didn't perhaps get treated as harshly as Quinn was. Many of them are back in business happily today. Many of them escaped any serious consequences for their wrongdoing/mistakes.

Quinn wasn't treated harshly or any different from others who went bankrupt. His businesses were bust. The insurance co was totally unviable and money was used to prop up the rest. We are still bailing out the insurance company even those who never had a policy with it. But Quinn did not cooperate with the state trying to rescue it, was in contempt and left everything in a mess, while moving money around abroad to hide it.

We are still paying for what a lot of people did. But a lot were allowed to walk away and a lot are back in business again.

I do think Quinn made his situation worse. And if he is involved in this then he deserves to finish his days in jail tbh.

josephsoap

is Dublin jimmy the same masked fella who was pictured in the forest with the statement threatening the directors of QIH?

aido79

NIMAN wrote: »

Was the reason for his spectacular fall not the fact that he bet everything he had, billions of Euro, on Anglo Irish and it was a sham bank?

Not sure if sham bank is the correct term. I have my doubts about whether or not it would have collapsed at all without Sean Quinn's involvement. His gambling played a big part in the share price dropping like it did which led to it collapsing.

Odelay

Him popping his clogs has got to be the best possible outcome for the QIH lads and the locals.
No fear now of him being on bail or directing fear and revenge from behind bars.

FrancieBrady

Odelay wrote: »

Him popping his clogs has got to be the best possible outcome for the QIH lads and the locals.
No fear now of him being on bail or directing fear and revenge from behind bars.

Not if the 'paymaster' is still at large.

Dante7

The English police located Jimmy due to information from the Gardai. I wonder if the phone call to "The Boss" that Kevin Lunney overheard helped the Gardai trace the call to his safehouse.

Odelay

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not if the 'paymaster' is still at large.

Paymaster ain’t able to do the work himself. He’ll have to find another team to do it for him. Who’s going to take that job with all the heat now? At least that bollicks is gone.

Danzy

Dante7 wrote: »

The English police located Jimmy due to information from the Gardai. I wonder if the phone call to "The Boss" that Kevin Lunney overheard helped the Gardai trace the call to his safehouse.

I'd say soneone in his gang was picked up and told he'd be going away for years and destroyed in every way possible if he didn't let them know where the boss was.

Supposition, which is a fancy way of saying guesswork which is a polite way of saying no ****ing idea.

FrancieBrady

Odelay wrote: »

Paymaster ain’t able to do the work himself. He’ll have to find another team to do it for him. Who’s going to take that job with all the heat now? At least that bollicks is gone.

Personally I wouldn't rest entirely easy until he was caught.

Him dying has to be one of the strangest things that could ever happen. When does that happen? When does someone actually die because their door is kicked in.

I have my suspicions about that, for some reason. I'm not saying the Police beat him to death or anything, but something just seems so weirdly unusual about that turn of events.

John_Rambo

Deleted User wrote: »

Him dying has to be one of the strangest things that could ever happen. When does that happen? When does someone actually die because their door is kicked in.

Bad diet, stressed lifestyle with lots of upheaval, dreading the inevitable of being found, pressure from the paymaster, lack of a normal family life at his age, lots of enemies, regret, witnessing and/or taking part in inhuman acts, trauma from constantly looking over his shoulder, a life of distrust and not knowing who to talk to, empathy creeping in at a certain age, repentant feelings, questionable feelings about previous actions... It's going to take it's toll.

John_Rambo

John_Rambo wrote: »

Bad diet, stressed lifestyle with lots of upheaval, dreading the inevitable of being found, pressure from the paymaster, lack of a normal family life at his age, lots of enemies, regret, witnessing and/or taking part in inhuman acts, trauma from constantly looking over his shoulder, a life of distrust and not knowing who to talk to, empathy creeping in at a certain age, repentant feelings, questionable feelings about previous actions... It's going to take it's toll.

I wasn't talking about Sean Quinn.

Dante7

John_Rambo wrote: »

Bad diet, stressed lifestyle with lots of upheaval, dreading the inevitable of being found, pressure from the paymaster, lack of a normal family life at his age, lots of enemies, regret, witnessing and/or taking part in inhuman acts, trauma from constantly looking over his shoulder, a life of distrust and not knowing who to talk to, empathy creeping in at a certain age, repentant feelings, questionable feelings about previous actions... It's going to take it's toll.

That and the fact that he had serious health problems and had to receive specialist care while incarcerated in recent years.

nacho libre

cameramonkey wrote: »

He is well known by MI5 Mi6 etc ect but never arrested for the serious stuff he did, it was like he was untouchable. They are spinning a yarn.

Who is spinning a yarn and to what end? MI5?

tipptom

Foe me I thought that Sean Quinn had maybe accepted that he messed up himself in losing the company and had moved on with other businesses like his online betting company etc.

The programme the other night left believing the man is seriously deluded and a bit crazed in thinking that the company was stolen of him and listening to the hidden cameras at some of the public meetings he seems to think his ex directors are behind it all falling down for him.

I can understand the directors offer to him and his son to come aboard as highly paid advisors in the thinking that it may ease up on the venom aimed at the company and the directors.
It seemed to have done the exact opposite and gave both Quinns some notion that this was a big step towards taking back over the company and that if it wasn't going to be magically handed over after this "advisory" period then it emboldened them to think that another period of ramped up violence and intimidation would get them over the line.

It kind of reminds me of the Sopranos where the old mob guys are going in to corporate chain shops looking for protection money and the chain line manager telling them that he doesn't have a line item for protection money and they would have to contact head office.

Quinn was so deluded he thought he was close to getting some corporate fund in America to just hand back the company to him.

There was a massive amount of cash around after Quinns companies were quickly cashed in around the world and there was big money paid to this gang to try and achieve this bizarre aim by someone very close to the old company imo.

cameramonkey

nacho libre wrote: »

Who is spinning a yarn and to what end? MI5?

It's obvious from the available information that this guy has been untouchable for the last 20 years. He has been robbing ATMs, illegal dumping, robbing plant, beating up people and generally causing mayhem. It is reported that he was involved in the Baltic exchange bomb but it seems he was never questioned. The people in the area know what he is, I think you can guess.

tdf7187

From the photos he looked like a very gentle harmless type, maybe a librarian or something.