Quinn Director abducted and assaulted

Beasty

Can we drop the GAA stuff. This is a very serious topic and does not warrant going of at tangents

Any questions, PM me

Thanks

FrancieBrady

Noirin O'Sullivan's name coming into the picture.
The Gardai protesting there is 'nothing to see here' is totally wrong and should be ignored until it is found out why it took so long for action to be taken.

Seems to me if a Taoiseach can blithely state that an area is 'lawless' then the spotlight has to turn on who's responsibility law and order is.
Platitudes and blaming the community is useless if predictable.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ex-quinn-managers-asked-n%C3%B3ir%C3%ADn-o-sullivan-for-help-5-years-ago-1.4079784

Donald Trump

Article here about the paymaster having to be warned by the guards that the McGuinness fella was threatening to shoot him
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-jimmy-once-threatened-to-shoot-paymaster-38683633.html

In other words the paymaster lives in the Republic..........does that rule out any obvious theories of who he might be?



Edit: I googled and the person I considered to be the obvious suspect lives in Cavan

Patrick2010

Donald Trump wrote: »

Article here about the paymaster having to be warned by the guards that the McGuinness fella was threatening to shoot him
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-jimmy-once-threatened-to-shoot-paymaster-38683633.html

In other words the paymaster lives in the Republic..........does that rule out any obvious theories of who he might be?

So the guards rushed to protect this paymaster but did nothing to stop the QIH intimidation?


It is understood that at the time armed gardaí were rushed to protect the secret financier at his home after receiving a tip-off believed to have been from the PSNI.

ohnonotgmail

Patrick2010 wrote: »

So the guards rushed to protect this paymaster but did nothing to stop the QIH intimidation?


It is understood that at the time armed gardaí were rushed to protect the secret financier at his home after receiving a tip-off believed to have been from the PSNI.

you are disappointed that the gardai rushed to stop a crime being committed?

hawkelady

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you are disappointed that the gardai rushed to stop a crime being committed?

Are you being intentionally awkward with your phrasing ??? Obviously not ,,,, but why weren’t the guards “ rushing” to stop people being intimidated for years previous

ohnonotgmail

hawkelady wrote: »

Are you being intentionally awkward with your phrasing ??? Obviously not ,,,, but why weren’t the guards “ rushing” to stop people being intimidated for years previous

I am questioning why you seem to have an issue with the gardai acting on a tipoff from the PSNI. You are framing it as the gardai protecting a criminal when it is gardai doing their job. You complain when the gardai dont do their job and then complain when they do. make your mind up.

Danzy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you are disappointed that the gardai rushed to stop a crime being committed?

His point I think is they did their job once but when it came to over 70 serious incidents they stood back.

Some senior Guards have been bought off seems to be the only evident conclusion.

Which is not a new take, it's been said repeatedly by some of those under threat and by some Guards.

ohnonotgmail

Danzy wrote: »

His point I think is they did their job once but when it came to over 70 serious incidents they stood back.

Some senior Guards have been bought off seems to be the only evident conclusion.

Which is not a new take, it's been said repeatedly by some of those under threat and by some Guards.

did they have advance knowledge of those 70 incidents?

sasta le

Donald Trump wrote: »

Article here about the paymaster having to be warned by the guards that the McGuinness fella was threatening to shoot him
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dublin-jimmy-once-threatened-to-shoot-paymaster-38683633.html

In other words the paymaster lives in the Republic..........does that rule out any obvious theories of who he might be?



Edit: I googled and the person I considered to be the obvious suspect lives in Cavan

Can you PM name or links please

FrancieBrady

CAB or it's northern counterpart could have shut this guy down in a week or two on their own. The powers are there.

Call me Al

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you are disappointed that the gardai rushed to stop a crime being committed?

And yet they couldn't take down intimidating posters outside QIH directors homes or place of work, allegedly placed there by McGuinness.
He who must be feared, and not crossed.
And from reading this article it seems he had the gardai hustle up the money for him without having to lift a finger in this incident.
I'm disappointed that they were aware of exactly what was going on, but it took the near death of an innocent working man for anyone to do something about these thugs.

ohnonotgmail

Call me Al wrote: »

And yet they couldn't take down intimidating posters outside QIH directors homes or place of work, allegedly placed there by McGuinness.
He who must be feared, and not crossed.
And from reading this article it seems he had the gardai hustle up the money for him without having to lift a finger in this incident.
I'm disappointed that they were aware of exactly what was going on, but it took the near death of an innocent working man for anyone to do something about these thugs.

how exactly did you get that from the linked article?

Danzy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

did they have advance knowledge of those 70 incidents?

For some of the more serious ones, then very possibly yes for some Guards.

ohnonotgmail

Danzy wrote: »

For some of the more serious ones, then very possibly yes for some Guards.

well then people are right to complain about those gardai. what they are not right to complain about is the gardai doing the job they are paid to do. which in this instance was acting on a tipoff from the PSNI and preventing a crime.

Call me Al

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how exactly did you get that from the linked article?

".....
When he was informed that his life may be in danger the 'paymaster' is understood to have made a phone call and later told gardaí the threat did not exist and the security operation was stood down.

Garda intelligence sources later revealed that McGuinness withdrew the threat when the paymaster explained that there had been a "mix up" and the money was paid.
...."

ohnonotgmail

Call me Al wrote: »

".....
When he was informed that his life may be in danger the 'paymaster' is understood to have made a phone call and later told gardaí the threat did not exist and the security operation was stood down.

Garda intelligence sources later revealed that McGuinness withdrew the threat when the paymaster explained that there had been a "mix up" and the money was paid.
...."

and how exactly is that

the gardai hustle up the money for him without having to lift a finger in this incident.

the gardai were doing their job. unless you are trying to suggest something else?

Danzy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and how exactly is that



the gardai were doing their job. unless you are trying to suggest something else?

In this instance they did

ohnonotgmail

Danzy wrote: »

In this instance they did

and yet there are still people unhappy with what they did. damned if they do, damned if they dont.

Call me Al

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and yet there are still people unhappy with what they did. damned if they do, damned if they dont.

Oh no I'm glad that they did do their job. I'm glad each and every time they do their job.

As I said earlier they were ok with leaving posters that were part of a campaign of intimidation and threats by these very same people up for the world to see too.
That's not ok..

Call me Al

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and how exactly is that



the gardai were doing their job. unless you are trying to suggest something else?

I'm trying to say that in their rush to protect the paymaster's life they did the legwork for McGuinness. He didn't need to lay a finger on anyone. He got his money.

Patrick2010

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and yet there are still people unhappy with what they did. damned if they do, damned if they dont.

I'd say you're missing the point but I know you're not.
So to recap, the Guards get a tipoff from the PSNI that the "paymaster" is going to be shot by McGuinness for non-payment of money for harassment campaign so go to protect him.
Paymaster then assures guards the issue is sorted so they can forget about it.
So the guards go off on their merry way and leave paymaster and McGuinness to continue harassment as normal and thats guards doing their job?

ThunderCat

Call me Al wrote: »

Oh no I'm glad that they did do their job. I'm glad each and every time they do their job.

As I said earlier they were ok with leaving posters that were part of a campaign of intimidation and threats by these very same people up for the world to see too.
That's not ok..

Not for one minute defending them with regards anything else, but seemingly a lot of the posters were erected on private land and the guards would have needed court orders for removal. Just what I read.

FrancieBrady

Patrick2010 wrote: »

I'd say you're missing the point but I know you're not.
So to recap, the Guards get a tipoff from the PSNI that the "paymaster" is going to be shot by McGuinness for non-payment of money for harassment campaign so go to protect him.
Paymaster then assures guards the issue is sorted so they can forget about it.
So the guards go off on their merry way and leave paymaster and McGuinness to continue harassment as normal and thats guards doing their job?

Leaves the Gardai looking like they were quite happy to just referee this as if it was normal business. Not good.

Donald Trump

sasta le wrote: »

Can you PM name or links please

I don't have anything other than my own tinfoil hat guess. So, like most on here I haven't got a clue. You can't realistically ask whether I'd PM allegations naming anyone. That's quite a Silly Question in fairness. I can't do that because I don't have any information to say who it might be.

Call me Al

ThunderCat wrote: »

Not for one minute defending them with regards anything else, but seemingly a lot of the posters were erected on private land and the guards would have needed court orders for removal. Just what I read.

Well according to Drew Harris "specialist people" are what's needed, no mention of court orders.

https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-commissioner-quinn-directors-4872907-Oct2019/

Are the QIH employees still waiting? I hope not.

tipptom

Call me Al wrote: »

Well according to Drew Harris "specialist people" are what's needed, no mention of court orders.

https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-commissioner-quinn-directors-4872907-Oct2019/

Are the QIH employees still waiting? I hope not.

What I read was the Gardaí say they took down any posters that was on public land and they were replaced again days later and they had to go through the courts to remove posters on private land.

Patrick2010

tipptom wrote: »

What I read was the Gardaí say they took down any posters that was on public land and they were replaced again days later and they had to go through the courts to remove posters on private land.

So they say (or unnamed sources say), any evidence they actually did any of that?

Call me Al

tipptom wrote: »

What I read was the Gardaí say they took down any posters that was on public land and they were replaced again days later and they had to go through the courts to remove posters on private land.

Where did you see this? I've only read commentary where everybody says its somebody else's job.

tipptom

Patrick2010 wrote: »

So they say (or unnamed sources say), any evidence they actually did any of that?

Nope and if I was a journalist the first thing I would be asking them is did they sought out permission of the private land holder to see if they could take down their signs,just to see what sort of action or non action there was on behalf of the Gardaí in regards to the signs.

I actually think these signs were of big significance in what went on as it seemed to show what went on for years without any decisions made about stopping it and it could be done immediately when it all blew up in the press.

Woe betide any little struggling buisness who decides to stick up a sign in a field advertising dinners or suchlike,you will have a visit from an official within a day letting you know what authority's will be brought to bear if it not taken down immediately or they will take it down and charge you 1ks.