Quinn Director abducted and assaulted

STB.

STB. wrote: »

Those are many excuses, only one of which I believe.

I don't see any excuses?
I see gardai that did their best with no back up

Millionaire only not

tipptom wrote: »

Would like to know how and why gardai acted with such speed in this matter?

Only thing I can think of is that SQ would have complained that he was about to/or had being defamed by what the priest said on the alter,

The priest had issued a copy of his sermon a couple of days beforehand so the police and SQ would have known he was not mentioned from the alter.

I don't necessarily agree with the priest in how far he went on his media journey and I sometimes think they still think that everyone is awaiting their take on anything happens in the community or that its their chance to grab the opportunity to make themselves relevant again.

In this case imo he should have done his sermon and left it at that as there are a lot of priess about who are viewed media attention seekers and hanging with people with money and public figures.

You have to wonder would the Garda in a busy area act with such speed for Joe Soap if he felt someone was maligning him even though you had told them in your complaint that your name was not mentioned,taken in to consideration how slow the garda response is to actual crimes that have being committed.

Why is it written on church paper , sur no priest died in the famine only poor people like us !
Why u interfering father ? This is none of the church business !

Millionaire only not

If u think I’ll face my mother in heaven or hell without the factory Uve another thing coming
No collar weapon , uniform will protect the man that stands in my way

AndrewJRenko

bubblypop wrote: »

I don't see any excuses?
I see gardai that did their best with no back up

So they didn't have the resources to take down some signs and posters for over a year?

tayto lover

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So they didn't have the resources to take down some signs and posters for over a year?

Is that their job?
Surely it’s county council.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So they didn't have the resources to take down some signs and posters for over a year?

Did you see the signs?
Signs had people's names & their salaries on them.
Not sure what crimes were there?

AndrewJRenko

tayto lover wrote: »

Is that their job?
Surely it’s county council.

Do you think that over the course of the year, a senior Garda or two might have seen the signs and recognised that leaving the signs up sends out a message about who is in control, and taken appropriate action to get them removed?

bubblypop wrote: »

Did you see the signs?
Signs had people's names & their salaries on them.
Not sure what crimes were there?

You can't just put up signs anywhere. This breaches planning and litter legislation. More importantly, the signs send out a clear message about who is in control of an area. That's why they should have made sure that they came down, as they eventually did when the Taoiseach gave the Commissioner a kick up the arse.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Do you think that over the course of the year, a senior Garda or two might have seen the signs and recognised that leaving the signs up sends out a message about who is in control, and taken appropriate action to get them removed?



You can't just put up signs anywhere. This breaches planning and litter legislation. More importantly, the signs send out a clear message about who is in control of an area. That's why they should have made sure that they came down, as they eventually did when the Taoiseach gave the Commissioner a kick up the arse.

You can out up signs in private land if you want to

tayto lover

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Do you think that over the course of the year, a senior Garda or two might have seen the signs and recognised that leaving the signs up sends out a message about who is in control, and taken appropriate action to get them removed?.

Not going to happen imo.
If a Garda falls from a pole and claims for injury the senior Garda would have questions to ask. Again, it’s a council job surely.

FrancieBrady

tayto lover wrote: »

Not going to happen imo.
If a Garda falls from a pole and claims for injury the senior Garda would have questions to ask. Again, it’s a council job surely.

Not when they have been threatened.

The Guards did it when they had to, no excuse for not doing long before now.

elperello

bubblypop wrote: »

Did you see the signs?
Signs had people's names & their salaries on them.
Not sure what crimes were there?

I did.
Wanted. Traitor. Grabber. with photo of the man.

elperello

elperello wrote: »

I did.
Wanted. Traitor. Grabber. with photo of the man.

See any crimes committed?
Why would Gardai take the signs down?
I have seen them, BTW, for years

tayto lover

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not when they have been threatened.

The Guards did it when they had to, no excuse for not doing long before now.

Can they go on to someone’s private property to remove them if they’re not wanted on it?

Fakediamond

tayto lover wrote: »

Not going to happen imo.
If a Garda falls from a pole and claims for injury the senior Garda would have questions to ask. Again, it’s a council job surely.

If a council worker falls from a pole, the council manager would have questions to ask.

Millionaire only not

tayto lover wrote: »

Can they go on to someone’s private property to remove them if they’re not wanted on it?

Outsiders cos I drove them out ! Me and my kind

tayto lover

Fakediamond wrote: »

If a council worker falls from a pole, the council manager would have questions to ask.

Yes but it’s their job. Not a Garda’s.

FrancieBrady

tayto lover wrote: »

Can they go on to someone’s private property to remove them if they’re not wanted on it?

Of course they can. A Guard has the power to go where he or she wants if they follow the right proceedures.

FrancieBrady

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes but it’s their job. Not a Garda’s.

What are you not getting here - if there is a threat to life the Gardai will get involved.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What are you not getting here - if there is a threat to life the Gardai will get involved.

But a sign talking about someone's salary is not a threat to anyone's life.

FrancieBrady

bubblypop wrote: »

But a sign talking about someone's salary is not a threat to anyone's life.

There were threats to anyone taking them down.

elperello

bubblypop wrote: »

But a sign talking about someone's salary is not a threat to anyone's life.

You are back ignoring the other ones which were much more directly threatening.

elperello

elperello wrote: »

You are back ignoring the other ones which were much more directly threatening.

I didn't see any threatening signs? Maybe there was but I didn't see them.
What exactly did they say?

elperello

elperello wrote: »

I did.
Wanted. Traitor. Grabber. with photo of the man.

I did already and you said you saw them, please clarify.

elperello

elperello wrote: »

I did already and you said you saw them, please clarify.

But there was nothing illegal in those signs?
I'm not sure what you wanted Gardai to do?
I saw the signs, the ones in the south had nothing illegal in them.
& they were on private land?

elperello

bubblypop wrote: »

But there was nothing illegal in those signs?
I'm not sure what you wanted Gardai to do?
I saw the signs, the ones in the south had nothing illegal in them.
& they were on private land?

In my opinion the Wanted. Traitor. Grabber signs could be dealt with under the Defamation Act 2009.

Furthermore free standing signs cannot be erected on private land without planning permission.

elperello

elperello wrote: »

In my opinion the Wanted. Traitor. Grabber signs could be dealt with under the Defamation Act 2009.

Furthermore free standing signs cannot be erected on private land without planning permission.

But defamation is not a criminal matter, it is a civil matter. So Gardai have no jurisdiction over it.
If signs are a planning issue, again, a civil matter, nothing to do with gardai.

FrancieBrady

bubblypop wrote: »

But defamation is not a criminal matter, it is a civil matter. So Gardai have no jurisdiction over it.
If signs are a planning issue, again, a civil matter, nothing to do with gardai.

Council staff had issued the relevant removal notices but had been threatened if they or outside contractors removed them.

That was when the Gardai should have gotten involved, they didn't until the Commissioner himself made the order.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Council staff had issued the relevant removal notices but had been threatened if they or outside contractors removed them.

That was when the Gardai should have gotten involved, they didn't until the Commissioner himself made the order.

Average gardai in ballyconnell are not going to go out & involve themselves in civil matters

elperello

bubblypop wrote: »

But defamation is not a criminal matter, it is a civil matter. So Gardai have no jurisdiction over it.
If signs are a planning issue, again, a civil matter, nothing to do with gardai.

You may have noticed that I did not mention AGS in my posts.
There is more than one way to skin a cat.

FrancieBrady

bubblypop wrote: »

Average gardai in ballyconnell are not going to go out & involve themselves in civil matters

It is not a civil matter when people going about their jobs have been threatened.