Is it time to lift the beef pickets?

memorystick

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Its time to stand down for now and then next April / May when cattle are scares and factories are actively looking for cattle then is the time to stick them for a minimum base price for €3.90 / €4 a kilo. But farmers would need to be willing to do this no matter what price is been offered to farmers at the time.
It might remind the mad for grass lads in the spring to be realistic in what they are paying for stores. Seen one such boy selling his stores this week. All spring he was given €1,000 - €1,100 for year old fancy cattle just under 400 kgs. He was getting it had to get them into €1,150 €1,200 this week and them around 530 kgs.

Why do it in the Spring when we can do it now! If we plan for a strike next May, the factories just might be prepared for it!

Danzy

No

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/eu-beef-cow-numbers-decline-by-100000-head/

Interestingly enough dairy cows fell by 375k across the EU and 100k for beef cows.

Add in that 20% of global meat protein is likely to die in next 12 months from African Swine Fever, next year might have a reason to lift.

Total calf births are down 10k first 6 months of this year.

Approx 30k less Suckler and 20 more Dairy.

At the least it is not all cloud ahead.

freedominacup

Yes but not yet

Bass Reeves wrote: »

2 lads keeping a eyes on a place will keep it closed

No it won't. If farmers start arriving with their own cattle 20 won't be enough.

Bass Reeves

freedominacup wrote: »

No it won't. If farmers start arriving with their own cattle 20 won't be enough.

The place has laid off all it staff even if they got ones days cattle in its a headache trying to get that beef out. Most factories will not open un ti protest is stopped at that factory.

Good loser

freedominacup wrote: »

No it won't. If farmers start arriving with their own cattle 20 won't be enough.

It might be a good idea for the factories to fix it that all the cattle for a day's kill could be scheduled to arrive at the same time and that all should stick around until the stock are delivered. And possibly wait until the fridges get out.
A few days of this should finish off this undemocratic blockade.

Jb1989

Good loser wrote: »

freedominacup wrote: »

No it won't. If farmers start arriving with their own cattle 20 won't be enough.

It might be a good idea for the factories to fix it that all the cattle for a day's kill could be scheduled to arrive at the same time and that all should stick around until the stock are delivered. And possibly wait until the fridges get out.
A few days of this should finish off this undemocratic blockade.

Not based on you alone, but the solidarity has took an offal hit in the last few days here.
The final protesters, are baseing their actions on wanting a base price set. This was always the number one issue, but is now being accepted by the majority as not happening, major change from almost everyone wanting a decent base set. Without it, the factory are still in law to reduce their future price offers, to reflect QA bonus, anything to work the favour of their and bord bias pockets,.

On a side or link note, vradakar and other politicians, today, were advising the factories to offer a decent base of their own accord, to "win back the trust of the farmers".
"win back the trust" in my eyes, points that the factories are known to have been the bad guys in this fiasco, should that not mean even more to the farmers side, and some major consequences put to the beef barons?....

Bass Reeves

Good loser wrote: »

It might be a good idea for the factories to fix it that all the cattle for a day's kill could be scheduled to arrive at the same time and that all should stick around until the stock are delivered. And possibly wait until the fridges get out.
A few days of this should finish off this undemocratic blockade.

It called logistics and impossible to do. 10 years ago I heard an IFA man say the day the lad with 3-4 cattle stopped turning up at the factory gates they would have to close. I say in any factory over half the cattle come from places with small numbers. The haulier that carry in these may be doing two runs. Lots of mid sized finishers use are using jeeps and trailers carrying 5-6 animals at the time and doing 2-3 runs in a morning. Different feedlot's will want the cattle loaded and gone when it suits them. Even if they got them all there together most factory yards would be incapable of holding all the trucks, tractors and jeeps and lads delivering would be 2-3 hours unloading. After that every truck, lorry and jeep would legally have to wash before leaving

Good loser

Jb1989 wrote: »

Not based on you alone, but the solidarity has took an offal hit in the last few days here.
The final protesters, are baseing their actions on wanting a base price set. This was always the number one issue, but is now being accepted by the majority as not happening, major change from almost everyone wanting a decent base set. Without it, the factory are still in law to reduce their future price offers, to reflect QA bonus, anything to work the favour of their and bord bias pockets,.

On a side or link note, vradakar and other politicians, today, were advising the factories to offer a decent base of their own accord, to "win back the trust of the farmers".
"win back the trust" in my eyes, points that the factories are known to have been the bad guys in this fiasco, should that not mean even more to the farmers side, and some major consequences put to the beef barons?....

Don't quite know what you're getting at but it's completely off the rails to think Bord Bia are gaining anything out of this.

wrangler

Yes but not yet

Good loser wrote: »

Don't quite know what you're getting at but it's completely off the rails to think Bord Bia are gaining anything out of this.

Go to the beef plan facebook, there's more conspiracy theories than you could put in a hundred books, if even half of them were true I and all my fellow IFA officers would be multi multi millionaires,
You couldn't make it up.........Oh I forgot , some people are able to make it up

mahoney_j

Hearing thru the grapevine that picket at abo nenagh is stood down or will be today anyone confirm ???.right thing to do if true

boggerman1

Yes but not yet

A Liam minahan forgive the wrong spelling was on Tipp fm in past hour saying he was pulling away from the gates.but not sure if everyone was gone

Base price

Yes but not yet

boggerman1 wrote: »

A Liam minahan forgive the wrong spelling was on Tipp fm in past hour saying he was pulling away from the gates.but not sure if everyone was gone

Protest is suspended - https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/protest-in-nenagh-suspended-while-rathkeale-resumes-beef-kill/

Never wrestle with pigs

mahoney_j wrote: »

Hearing thru the grapevine that picket at abo nenagh is stood down or will be today anyone confirm ???.right thing to do if true

Ya it was last night afaik.

Good loser

wrangler wrote: »

Go to the beef plan facebook, there's more conspiracy theories than you could put in a hundred books, if even half of them were true I and all my fellow IFA officers would be multi multi millionaires,
You couldn't make it up.........Oh I forgot , some people are able to make it up

It's the Water Charges campaign all over again!

CloughCasey1

No

Good loser wrote: »

It's the Water Charges campaign all over again!

What? Explain what ya mean by that.

Good loser

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

What? Explain what ya mean by that.

Tendentious arguments, specious reasoning, conspiracy theories run riot.


A difference is that FF handed the WC protestors a victory.

CloughCasey1

No

Good loser wrote: »

Tendentious arguments, specious reasoning, conspiracy theories run riot.

A difference is that FF handed the WC protestors a victory.

The majority of WC protesters were the ones who don't pay for anything. We were working in a lot of council estates at the time and they held vigils outside the estates to make sure nobody would enter the estate. Placards saying we won't pay for water as we've paid for it already through our taxes!!! Taxes my hole...majority of them never lifted a finger in their lives. Knew a lot of contractors doing the meters. They were happy out working away on most estates but the ones they got the most flack from were the ones where the rest of society work to allow the people stay at home and do nothing. One lad even let a shotgun blast over the crews head. Nice of you to tar your fellow farmers with the same brush.

Gawddawggonnit

Good loser wrote: »

Tendentious arguments, specious reasoning, conspiracy theories run riot.

True.


Then again some could be accused of being sententious...lol.

listermint

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

The majority of WC protesters were the ones who don't pay for anything. We were working in a lot of council estates at the time and they held vigils outside the estates to make sure nobody would enter the estate. Placards saying we won't pay for water as we've paid for it already through our taxes!!! Taxes my hole...majority of them never lifted a finger in their lives. Knew a lot of contractors doing the meters. They were happy out working away on most estates but the ones they got the most flack from were the ones where the rest of society work to allow the people stay at home and do nothing. One lad even let a shotgun blast over the crews head. Nice of you to tar your fellow farmers with the same brush.

I was against the charges attended all the matches. Also I've been fully employed since I was 16 .


I unfortunately don't have time during he day to stop you lot or express my displeasure.

It's off topic here but water charges was a government fk up. It was badly managed. It was the wrong way around. Funding should have been given first to known leaks and also large projects both of which were fully known before metering started. Cart before the horse.

So dont go blaming voters and certainly not the handy out of so called non workers because the reality was alot different.

Bass Reeves

Good loser wrote: »

Tendentious arguments, specious reasoning, conspiracy theories run riot.


A difference is that FF handed the WC protestors a victory.

Water charges was aFG, Labour and Greens f@@kup. Yes FF handed them the victory because it did not want the shinners to blindside them. The Greens are to blame because they put the rightousness of green politics of wanting metering ahead the political reality that water charges would always be a hard sell. Labour bought into the whole green agenda and like FF with the shinners Labour did not want the Greens to blindside them. Phil Hogan did not want the unpopularity of it to follow him so he ducked it at cabinet level and FG bought into the metering fiasco.

The house hold charge was bought in in 2011/12 I think. The Irish public would have bought into anything then. It was first bough in as a flat 100 euro charge because there was time needed to sort valuations. Flat rate water charges should have come in the same time but Ken Hogan with Labour backing ducked it. The longer the metering fiasco went on and Board Usice costs escalated the harder it was to sell water charges.

This was not the only fiasco around that time Labour in it rush to protect what it taught was it electoral base refuse any cuts in mainline welfare. This was another fiasco instead of a 5-10 euro cut across the unemployed and old age pension there was targeted cut in area's like carers allowance.

TBH for what were very seasoned experienced politicans Labour lost the plot. At the time it had huge support from workers. But it political decision during that period let to its demise. However the water debacle was a political failure across the whole political system.

CloughCasey1

No

listermint wrote: »

I was against the charges attended all the matches. Also I've been fully employed since I was 16 .


I unfortunately don't have time during he day to stop you lot or express my displeasure.

It's off topic here but water charges was a government fk up. It was badly managed. It was the wrong way around. Funding should have been given first to known leaks and also large projects both of which were fully known before metering started. Cart before the horse.

So dont go blaming voters and certainly not the handy out of so called non workers because the reality was alot different.

Fair play to ya. We have always had to pay for water out in the sticks. Tis fine when it doesn't effect inside the 50km zone, then it doesn't count!!!

jaymla627

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Fair play to ya. We have always had to pay for water out in the sticks. Tis fine when it doesn't effect inside the 50km zone then it doesn't count!!!

Village water main blew here in one of our fields a month back, asbestos piping is what’s carrying it, that and lead piping is what most of the general population is drinking water from not a second thought from the general public the health effects of it, I’d rather pay for water then use the above

Muckit

No

Is Kepak Athleague Protest still ongoing can anyone confirm?

Muckit

No

To qualify for 30mths, does animal have to be killed the day before 30mth birthday?

Are they over if killed on the morning of their 30mth bday?

Panch18

Yes but not yet

Muckit wrote: »

To qualify for 30mths, does animal have to be killed the day before 30mth birthday?

Are they over if killed on the morning of their 30mth bday?

Yeah that would be their 31st birthday

Have been caught a couple of times on that

morphy87

Panch18 wrote: »

Yeah that would be their 31st birthday

Have been caught a couple of times on that

Did you get away any cattle in the last few days? Was talking to my agent Thursday night wouldn’t give me an answer when he could take them he said we will keep in touch even though his factory is back since Thursday night, I noticed the mart numbers are small enough are men that have stores to sell waiting for lads to offload some factory cattle before they start selling? I know the weather and plenty grass around is probably some of the reason too

Cavanjack

Yes but not yet

Muckit wrote: »

To qualify for 30mths, does animal have to be killed the day before 30mth birthday?

Are they over if killed on the morning of their 30mth bday?

No if you kill the day of their 30 month birthday you are ok. Never an issue here anyway. Killed an odd one a day or two after and got them in as 30 months. Same with 36 months. Suppose it depends on factory.

whelan2

Was talking to a factory agent for dawn meats in Slane. They still aren't killing there. Workers arguing over terms and conditions.

CloughCasey1

No

whelan2 wrote: »

Was talking to a factory agent for dawn meats in Slane. They still aren't killing there. Workers arguing over terms and conditions.

Next thing they will go on strike!

Cran

Yes but not yet

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Next thing they will go on strike!

You wouldn’t blame them way factories treated them

kk.man

Yes but not yet

Panch18 wrote: »

Muckit wrote: »

To qualify for 30mths, does animal have to be killed the day before 30mth birthday?

Are they over if killed on the morning of their 30mth bday?

Yeah that would be their 31st birthday

Have been caught a couple of times on that

So have I been caught but I think if an animal is not fit then their not fit in that time frame. Much prefer to kill a beast at 31 months than kill it at 30 months fat score 2.

Muckit

No

Beef picket appears to be stood down in Athleague

L1985

Cran wrote: »

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Next thing they will go on strike!

You wouldn’t blame them way factories treated them

Dawn grannagh got the workers in last Monday knowing that the kill wouldn’t go ahead and let the workers clock in. Then they sent them home and any workers that clicked in couldn’t sign on.... completely callous and showed the contempt they had for them.

Bass Reeves

L1985 wrote: »

Cran wrote: »

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Next thing they will go on strike!

You wouldn’t blame them way factories treated them

Dawn grannagh got the workers in last Monday knowing that the kill wouldn’t go ahead and let the workers clock in. Then they sent them home and any workers that clicked in couldn’t sign on.... completely callous and showed the contempt they had for them.

They will have to pay them

listermint

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Fair play to ya. We have always had to pay for water out in the sticks. Tis fine when it doesn't effect inside the 50km zone, then it doesn't count!!!

Let's just clarify something , it might put your head in a spin.

I was at all the matches because I think it's the government's job to provide basic water for sanitisation and obviously to drink. We need it or die within days.

I lived in Dublin at the time.

I now live in Wicklow, where I have my own well and own water system which I have to pay for parts and service and filters.

I still think water charges are wrong and would march again.

Now I know that might make your head go delirious but water should be provided for by our government it's a requirement of life. Write that on a bus there for yourself.


Anyway it's off topic. But I wanted to correct your the narrative you are propagating on the water charges opposition.

Base price

Yes but not yet

According to this article in Agriland there are nine plants still blockaded https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/beef-plan-repeats-call-for-an-end-to-protests-so-agreement-can-be-considered/

Good loser

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

The majority of WC protesters were the ones who don't pay for anything. We were working in a lot of council estates at the time and they held vigils outside the estates to make sure nobody would enter the estate. Placards saying we won't pay for water as we've paid for it already through our taxes!!! Taxes my hole...majority of them never lifted a finger in their lives. Knew a lot of contractors doing the meters. They were happy out working away on most estates but the ones they got the most flack from were the ones where the rest of society work to allow the people stay at home and do nothing. One lad even let a shotgun blast over the crews head. Nice of you to tar your fellow farmers with the same brush.

You seem to misunderstand the point I was making. I am/was in favour of water charges.


Just making the point that the nature of the arguments against the water charges was the same as those in favour of the blockades.
Full of holes.

Good loser

listermint wrote: »

Let's just clarify something , it might put your head in a spin.

I was at all the matches because I think it's the government's job to provide basic water for sanitisation and obviously to drink. We need it or die within days.

I lived in Dublin at the time.

I now live in Wicklow, where I have my own well and own water system which I have to pay for parts and service and filters.

I still think water charges are wrong and would march again.

Now I know that might make your head go delirious but water should be provided for by our government it's a requirement of life. Write that on a bus there for yourself.


Anyway it's off topic. But I wanted to correct your the narrative you are propagating on the water charges opposition.

The arguments against Water Charges are/were specious, tendentious and laced with absurd conspiracy theories.


Did you never hear about the constitutional provision, about treating all the people of the nation equally?

CloughCasey1

No

listermint wrote: »

Let's just clarify something , it might put your head in a spin.

I was at all the matches because I think it's the government's job to provide basic water for sanitisation and obviously to drink. We need it or die within days.

I lived in Dublin at the time.

I now live in Wicklow, where I have my own well and own water system which I have to pay for parts and service and filters.

I still think water charges are wrong and would march again.

Now I know that might make your head go delirious but water should be provided for by our government it's a requirement of life. Write that on a bus there for yourself.


Anyway it's off topic. But I wanted to correct your the narrative you are propagating on the water charges opposition.

I couldn't give 2 fecks whether you marched or not. It was the comparison to the majority of hard working farming grafters to the spongers (not your good self) that were the majority protesting on the water charges which were mainly lefty liberal socialist sh1tes that would swallow a shovel before they'd use it.

CloughCasey1

No

Good loser wrote: »

You seem to misunderstand the point I was making. I am/was in favour of water charges.


Just making the point that the nature of the arguments against the water charges was the same as those in favour of the blockades.
Full of holes.

I did alright

whelan2

Can we got back on topic , please ?

Danzy

No

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

I couldn't give 2 fecks whether you marched or not. It was the comparison to the majority of hard working farming grafters to the spongers (not your good self) that were the majority protesting on the water charges which were mainly lefty liberal socialist sh1tes that would swallow a shovel before they'd use it.

If it was just those the Gov't would have been able to push it through.
.
FG knew it was hitting their own support or people that would throw them a 2.

It was middle Ireland that was turning out on massive numbers.

greysides

whelan2 wrote: »

Can we got back on topic , please ?

Mod: Sounds like a good idea.

Good loser

Bandon ended around 4 pm.


How many are left?

Quantum Erasure

update posted on agriland at 11pm,

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/farmer-protest-update-what-picket-lines-have-stood-down/

A total of 20 farmer protests outside meat processing plants across the country have now officially stood down, AgriLand understands.
...
It is understood that efforts will now continue to bring a close to the remaining farmer protests at: Liffey Meats in Ballyjamesduff, Co. Cavan; Slaney Meats near Bunclody, Co. Wexford; Kepak in Ennis, Co. Clare; Liffey Meats in Ballinasloe, Co. Galway; and Kepak in Clonee, Co. Dublin.

greysides

Slaney?? It was mu understanding that they were gone from Friday week last. The factory had remained closed though.....

Gael23

Next the Vegans will put up pickets as lorries of cattle arrive to be killed.

yosemitesam1

Yes but not yet

Gael23 wrote: »

Next the Vegans will put up pickets as lorries of cattle arrive to be killed.

What happens if they do? Would the gards clear them

Base price

Yes but not yet

Four mediators endorsed to represent farmers - https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/farmer-mediators-endorsed-to-represent-10-picket-lines/

Robson99

Yes but not yet

What is the story now with regard to the couple of factories being picketed.???
Don't see the point in only protesting outside a few...
I'm pretty sure those now protesting have no cattle to kill and are just ****ing things up on those that have