Churchlands Delgany Development

Rockford1

Fingers crossed there will be some visible progression soon. Would be nice to see the layout.

Also, quick tip for anyone buying through the bank. We had our mortgage approval sorted but Sherry Fitz referred me to their finance guy who I rang for a chat. He was able to rearrange the mortgage for my hubby and I buy shopping around all the lenders for us. The new mortgage is €139 cheaper per month!!! Much quicker and easier this time round too. Worth a shot given there's no time pressure.

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Thank you

awec

Rockford1 wrote: »

Any update on how things are progressing? Are the foundations down yet? Hopefully they will be completed on time given the weather hasn't been too bad

It's Wood Group so they will almost certainly not be completed on time.

Rockford1

Thanks for your input there. How ridiculous of me to assume they might be built on time...

It would seem you have expert knowledge on WoodGroup timelines. Enlighten me...

awec

Rockford1 wrote: »

Thanks for your input there. How ridiculous of me to assume they might be built on time...

It would seem you have expert knowledge on WoodGroup timelines. Enlighten me...

Wood Group are very good and very helpful if you have any issues after moving in, but take their timelines with a pinch of salt.

In Seagreen they are pretty much consistently 3-6 months behind schedule.

pixbyjohn

Churchlands development 20th January 2020 by Pixbyjohn, on Flickr

fortwilliam

pixbyjohn wrote: »

Churchlands development 20th January 2020 by Pixbyjohn, on Flickr

PixbyJohn can time travel? :-)

thenewguys

pixbyjohn wrote: »

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I see bricks, finally some movement!

2011

awec wrote: »

In Seagreen they are pretty much consistently 3-6 months behind schedule.

It is the same with most developers, I think it is a deliberate tactic to ensure that the buyer does not hold them up.

awec

2011 wrote: »

It is the same with most developers, I think it is a deliberate tactic to ensure that the buyer does not hold them up.

Yea they always underestimate.

Woods are also relatively flexible in what they let you change during the build too, which definitely slows things down.

In Waverly they are really rigid, pretty much no modifications allowed at all. That said Waverly were also really behind schedule so who knows!

Fastnet2020

In terms of Woods being flexible, we were advised by SF that NO structural changes could be made on this as Woods are keen to build them as quickly as possible...anyone else experience that? Also, crossing fingers for a reasonable completion date

awec

Fastnet2020 wrote: »

In terms of Woods being flexible, we were advised by SF that NO structural changes could be made on this as Woods are keen to build them as quickly as possible...anyone else experience that? Also, crossing fingers for a reasonable completion date

No developer will let you make structural changes. Would take way too long.

You can change things like moving radiators, putting in extra sockets, changing the kitchen to a different one etc. Usually they'll send you the list of contractors before first fix and you can get in contact with each of them to request changes.

lfen

FYI - Prices for Eastmount are now on Daft. 3 bed semi starting from €485k lol

johnny.d

lfen wrote: »

FYI - Prices for Eastmount are now on Daft. 3 bed semi starting from €485k lol

Think we got a bargain in Churchlands!!

johnny.d

Has anyone seen the development recently. Is there any more visible progress??

lfen

johnny.d wrote: »

Think we got a bargain in Churchlands!!

You did indeed! Much nicer kitchens in Churchlands too, really not a fan of the ones they went with in Eastmount. Will be interesting to see how quickly they move.

Fastnet2020

Went up earlier for a look, hard to say whether much has been done tbh, foundations are down so fingers crossed for a "summer" move in! Are there many left, do you know?

cunnifferous

Fastnet2020 wrote: »

Went up earlier for a look, hard to say whether much has been done tbh, foundations are down so fingers crossed for a "summer" move in! Are there many left, do you know?

For those who bought off plans, what kind of timetable/details did you get?

Just spoke to the agent there any he was very unhelpful and sketchy on any kind of details.

2011

cunnifferous wrote: »

Just spoke to the agent there any he was very unhelpful and sketchy on any kind of details.

It’s a sellers market, as such estate agents couldn’t give a cr@p

johnny.d wrote: »

Think we got a bargain in Churchlands!!

The boom is back!

Creamy Goodness

Fastnet2020 wrote: »

Went up earlier for a look, hard to say whether much has been done tbh, foundations are down so fingers crossed for a "summer" move in! Are there many left, do you know?

might be longer, I'm in a similar development within a 5 minute drive. our house had started block work (first floor) at the end of January and it was mid-October when we got in and we had pretty good weather that year, this year's been atrocious. Hopefully you'll be quicker anyways and this is be no means an exact timeline

cunnifferous

2011 wrote: »

It’s a sellers market, as such estate agents couldn’t give a cr@p



The boom is back!

He seemed almost annoyed to be taking calls about it. I wonder if the developers are being sketchy with details and he's getting tetchy being asked about them.

Basically the sitemap may or may not resemble the finished estate, most of the different house designs may or may not be built, and the second phase will only go ahead when enough people have bought off plans. Is this normal?

awec

cunnifferous wrote: »

He seemed almost annoyed to be taking calls about it. I wonder if the developers are being sketchy with details and he's getting tetchy being asked about them.

Basically the sitemap may or may not resemble the finished estate, most of the different house designs may or may not be built, and the second phase will only go ahead when enough people have bought off plans. Is this normal?

Site map is always just illustrative. They can change the house types on various plots if they have low demand for one type and higher demand for another.

Pretty sure the first phase of Churchlands is sold out.

2011

cunnifferous wrote: »

He seemed almost annoyed to be taking calls about it. I wonder if the developers are being sketchy with details and he's getting tetchy being asked about them.

The more they delay, the more prices increase. Estate agents don’t want to commit to anything that they may later regret.

meallat

Visited the site this evening - hoping to buy in the second phase!

Rockford1

I believe the foundations went down last week. Can you confirm? Many thanks

meallat

Yep some at the very top! Houses 55-59 it looked like ..

cunnifferous

Not strictly related to Churchlands but surely this has to be one of the most over priced houses in Greystones. Is there something I'm missing?

Maybe I will be inquiring about the second phase of Churchlands at this rate!

https://www.daft.ie/wicklow/bungalows-for-sale/greystones/10-burnaby-manor-greystones-wicklow-2386961/

lfen

Ambitious alright... Churchlands were listed as “from €435,000” up until a few weeks back so I’m sure they will throw a few extra thousand onto the next phase for good measure.

EA told me that the new houses at the back of The Pigeon House will be €465,000 for a 3 bed terraced! Prices are gone mad.

awec

cunnifferous wrote: »

Not strictly related to Churchlands but surely this has to be one of the most over priced houses in Greystones. Is there something I'm missing?

Maybe I will be inquiring about the second phase of Churchlands at this rate!

https://www.daft.ie/wicklow/bungalows-for-sale/greystones/10-burnaby-manor-greystones-wicklow-2386961/

Yea that's a crazy price for what's really a glorified tiny apartment. It's purely down to the location.

Hard to see it selling for that price when you can get a brand new house 2 minutes up the road that's 4 or 5 times bigger for less money.

jpd

awec wrote: »

Hard to see it selling for that price when you can get a brand new house 2 minutes up the road that's 4 or 5 times bigger for less money.

The nearest new houses are more than 2 minutes away - by car, at least by the time you drive down to Church Road, negotiate the pedestrian crossings, light etc

This house is 5 minutes or so walk to the DART

Cerco

jpd wrote: »

The nearest new houses are more than 2 minutes away - by car, at least by the time you drive down to Church Road, negotiate the pedestrian crossings, light etc

This house is 5 minutes or so walk to the DART

Especially important for the target market I.e. trade downs, older people etc Probably also suitable for Extension.
A clear example of Price determined by location, location, location.

cunnifferous

Location is good, don't get me wrong, but I still think that is a very steep price for 75m2 2 bed bungalow in need of modernising.

With a 60 k deposit you'd need a 150k plus salary to afford that place if a FTB. I think anyone earning that salary (even if it was dual 75+75k) would be highly dissapointed if that's all their hard earned money got them.

Cerco

cunnifferous wrote: »

Location is good, don't get me wrong, but I still think that is a very steep price for 75m2 2 bed bungalow in need of modernising.

With a 60 k deposit you'd need a 150k plus salary to afford that place if a FTB. I think anyone earning that salary (even if it was dual 75+75k) would be highly dissapointed if that's all their hard earned money got them.

I think you are missing the point about the target market.
The purchasers will most likely not be concerned about the financing if they are trading down. Hardly suitable for first time buyers unless they are well heeled and not ideal for starting a family.

loyatemu

I know of 2 people whose parents have moved into that estate, so it is popular with downsizers who are unlikely to need a mortgage to buy. Price is still nuts though IMO.

cunnifferous

Cerco wrote: »

I think you are missing the point about the target market.
The purchasers will most likely not be concerned about the financing if they are trading down. Hardly suitable for first time buyers unless they are well heeled and not ideal for starting a family.

Well I guess fair enough if the estate agents have identified another demographic that they can squeeze more than the rest of us!

No matter if you're taking out finance or a cash buyer I still think that is an insane asking price for that property but I guess time will tell

2011

cunnifferous wrote: »

Well I guess fair enough if the estate agents have identified another demographic that they can squeeze more than the rest of us!

There is no shortage of that demographic. There are a lot of very wealthy people in Greystones and more moving in there. If you think those prices are insane look at Marina Village prices.

No matter if you're taking out finance or a cash buyer I still think that is an insane asking price for that property but I guess time will tell

I agree.

pixbyjohn

Churchlands 24-02-2020 by Pixbyjohn, on Flickr

pixbyjohn

Churchlands 24-02-2020 by Pixbyjohn, on Flickr

sineadmur

Moved to Greystones last year and working locally. Hoping to buy a 3 bed new build by the end of this year. Any advice ?

I think the first phase of Churchlands is sold out? Would be interested in this development, but concerned about ‘problem’ estate mentioned earlier in this thread? I’m currently living in the Blacklion area, and tbh in comparison to where I’m from in south Wicklow, I have seen little to no anti-social behaviour. From people who have bought off plans, is there a maintenance fee ? And roughly how much extra was it for a south facing garden ?

Right now I feel Waverley and the new SeaGreen houses launched are just out of my price zone 😢 No sign of house prices going down either ..
Especially with Eastmount starting at 485000..

Thanks!

Rockford1

I would touch base with the agent regarding phase 2 as phase 1 is sold out. I would expect a typical price increase for phase 2. The agent should be in a position to give an indication. There is no maintenance fee in Churchlands. South facing I believe was circa 7k-10k additional in phase 1.
Apologies to you on behalf of the idiot that brought up “problem estates”. The person evidently is unfamiliar with the area. There is no area in the country completely segregated from less well off communities. Take one of the most exclusive addresses in Dublin- The Vico Rd in Killiney. This is less then 500 metres away from Ballybrack village which is known for antisocial behaviour.

meallat

Just visited the site this evening up at the Phase 2 area near the water. They’re working on a row of 3 bed semi detached houses with sea views and they seem to be flying up! Great progress in the last 7 days since I last visited. Anyone have any idea when we can expect show houses / official launch? Also what’s the craic with Phase one not being completed before they start building Phase two?

awec

meallat wrote: »

Just visited the site this evening up at the Phase 2 area near the water. They’re working on a row of 3 bed semi detached houses with sea views and they seem to be flying up! Great progress in the last 7 days since I last visited. Anyone have any idea when we can expect show houses / official launch? Also what’s the craic with Phase one not being completed before they start building Phase two?

Developers want to get the houses built quickly so they can get them sold.

The phases are really just groups that they release houses for sale in. In reality they'll be physically building many phases at the same time.

Cluster

Rockford1 wrote: »

I would touch base with the agent regarding phase 2 as phase 1 is sold out. I would expect a typical price increase for phase 2. The agent should be in a position to give an indication. There is no maintenance fee in Churchlands. South facing I believe was circa 7k-10k additional in phase 1.
Apologies to you on behalf of the idiot that brought up “problem estates”. The person evidently is unfamiliar with the area. There is no area in the country completely segregated from less well off communities. Take one of the most exclusive addresses in Dublin- The Vico Rd in Killiney. This is less then 500 metres away from Ballybrack village which is known for antisocial behaviour.

well said

meallat

Rockford1 wrote: »

I would touch base with the agent regarding phase 2 as phase 1 is sold out. I would expect a typical price increase for phase 2. The agent should be in a position to give an indication. There is no maintenance fee in Churchlands. South facing I believe was circa 7k-10k additional in phase 1.
Apologies to you on behalf of the idiot that brought up “problem estates”. The person evidently is unfamiliar with the area. There is no area in the country completely segregated from less well off communities. Take one of the most exclusive addresses in Dublin- The Vico Rd in Killiney. This is less then 500 metres away from Ballybrack village which is known for antisocial behaviour.

Do you know what the pricing is for the 4 bed semi-ds in phase 2? Even approx? Found it hard to get an answer out of the agent..

2011

meallat wrote: »

Found it hard to get an answer out of the agent..

That is because the agent is trying to inflate the price even more but doesn't know how far he can push it. It very difficult to get the balance between outrageous yet achievable and simply unaffordable just right.

Take the price for the previous phase, add 50k and you won't be too far off.

randypriest

It looks like the global and domestic economies will crash and crash very badly because of COVID19.

What do we think this will mean for the Greystones / Delgany property market? In particular, Churchlands and Eastmount?

In my own view, the Churchlands / Eastmount prices were way overvalued to start and those who bought in the first phase will have overpaid a significant amount when subsequent phases are launched.

2011

Most people are expecting a significant drop in property prices across the country.

JustAThought

Don’t touch any estate or house that has a so called management fee.

Or known social problems in the area.It inly takes ine familly to ruin a street and make your life a nightmare. There are whole threads on it and how the gaurds are powerless.You dont want go be caught in negativd equity in a trap like that.

As for half a mlilion upwards for a semi d in a traffic block in Delgany - are you absolutely insane?

2011

JustAThought wrote: »

Don’t touch any estate or house that has a so called management fee.

There are very few places with no management fees, especially around Greystones.

2011

JustAThought wrote: »

As for half a mlilion upwards for a semi d in a traffic block in Delgany - are you absolutely insane?

Each to their own, but I wonder if all of it will go ahead now that margins will be reduced and many that planned to buy will be forced to reconsider??

awec

randypriest wrote: »

It looks like the global and domestic economies will crash and crash very badly because of COVID19.

What do we think this will mean for the Greystones / Delgany property market? In particular, Churchlands and Eastmount?

In my own view, the Churchlands / Eastmount prices were way overvalued to start and those who bought in the first phase will have overpaid a significant amount when subsequent phases are launched.

If subsequent phases are launched.