Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

dePeatrick

careless sherpa wrote: »

In a lot of areas you don't need to cross the border to be on the UK network. Oftentimes in people's own homes. Back to this nonsense

This is quite true, phone will connect to nearest mast and that may be on either side of border. Got fleeced for roaming charges working near border some years ago.

ToBeFrank123

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A lot of "responses" appear to be by bots (no bio, avatar, less than 20 posts). Some are not and are just racists, sectarian, right wing....

You genuinely would be amazed how the Russian troll factories infiltrate every global debate of note to destabilise on social media.

The US use 4 billion a pop aircraft carriers to project power and influence regimes and public opinions around the world.

The Russians use a few hundred people working in a troll factory to achieve something not far off that.

Their influence in the US election was significant in convincing people Hillary was a crook. The bots were able to organise public protests in the US from a troll factory in Russia.

The comments and voting sections of UK newspaper websites is where they are most prevalent.

54and56

Hurrache wrote: »

I saw someone put this in their timeline and I thought it was just your usual Brexit moron, but yeah, double down on the Merkel photoshop from earlier.

https://twitter.com/andywigmore/status/1181503641779355650

He's the Comms Director fur leave.eu, nuff said.

A Dub in Glasgo

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

There will be a need for mini deals.

What happens if an EU citizen visits the UK and gets injured? And vice versa. There will have to be deals done like that.

What currently happens if an EU citizen visits an non EU country and gets injured?

Stop moaning ffs

Prorogued

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1181594576395603968?s=21

ToBeFrank123

CrabRevolution wrote: »

So you're saying we will give the UK everything they want at no cost?

Wow, well done for putting words in my mouth.

I said real politick dictates that mini deals will need to be done in numerous areas, despite the aspirations of some not to do them.

If you go to the UK and break your leg, you will depend on the NHS for free care. And similarly if someone from the UK comes here and does the same.

Hurrache

54and56 wrote: »

He's the Comms Director fur leave.eu, nuff said.

Yeah, I know. Not sure if I was surprised or not when I saw it was actually him, no limit to his depths.

lawred2

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

There will be a need for mini deals.

What happens if an EU citizen visits the UK and gets injured? And vice versa. There will have to be deals done like that.
Also roaming charges.
Deals done in the financial area to allow EU banks operate in the UK and vice versa.

It would be great to think the EU would just pull out entirely of the UK including all private EU companies. In reality that would be difficult to do.

what happens if an EU citizen visits Cambodia and gets injured?

ToBeFrank123

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

What currently happens if an EU citizen visits an non EU country and gets injured?

Depends if they have travel insurance or not.

jimmycrackcorm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They need a no deal in my opinion.

The EU should be prepared to restrict ever more access to EU markets.

The UK keep going on about damage to the EU in a no deal.

What the people there are not being told is what the EU can do to the UK overnight if it needs too. Many magnitudes of times worse than the other way round.

They're is no need for the EU to do anything.
Brexitysteria has gotten so deep that the brexiteers think it's going to be all over come October 31st.

But the EU is such a huge market for the UK that they're going to badly need a deal.
Once the ordinary brexiteer feels the after effects and then starts to realize that they're not actually gaining anything by leaving the EU, they'll begin to feel an emptiness. Brexit is like being hungry but you get drunk instead of eating. Just empty calories.

The first thing the EU will say to the UK about a FTA is, fix the Irish border. Who knows the FTA might actually end up being dressed up as a customs Union.

A Dub in Glasgo

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Depends if they have travel insurance or not.

So why would it be any different when the UK leaves the EU?

Patser

Leave.eu are just taking the pis$ now. They must know they're about to get banned, because how's this for a double down

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1181577524754731008



What's good though is the amount of responses quoting Churchill's desire for a European brotherhood, a union. Also lots of slagging about how many World Cups Germany and Italy have.

listermint

Patser wrote: »

Leave.eu are just taking the pis$ now. They must know they're about to get banned, because how's this for a double down

https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1181577524754731008



What's good though is the amount of responses quoting Churchill's desire for a European brotherhood, a union. Also lots of slagging about how many World Cups Germany and Italy have.

Professionals sponsored troll account is all it is. Run by billionaires trying to make more billions using easy tactics

CelticRambler

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Very likely in the event of No Deal, there will be a large number of mini deals to cover reciprocal arrangements such as roaming charges, air travel, pensioners rights, social welfare, Medical care, ex pat rights rights and so on.

No, there won't.

The EU stated very clearly that they will not, ever again, entertain the idea of doing mini-deals with third countries. They learnt their lesson from doing that once with Switzerland and have regretted it ever since. The Swiss are pretty annoyed at the UK, because thanks to Brexit, the EU has been getting tough on Switzerland, gradually bundling their multiple mini-deals into a smaller number of all-or-nothing arrangements.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

There will be a need for mini deals.

No, there won't. Not on the EU's side.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

What happens if an EU citizen visits the UK and gets injured? And vice versa. There will have to be deals done like that.

Already covered by the EU's position with regard to any third country - "not our problem". If you fall off a mountain in the Lake District and have no travel insurance, you'll pay for your treatment the same as any other non-citizen. If you use your phone, you'll pay whatever data charges your provider wants to apply. If you want to fly your 'plane into an EU airport, you'll have to satisfy the EU regulators that you've come from an airport that enforces EU standards in regards to security and aircraft maintenance; it'll make no difference whether you're coming from Uxbridge or Uganda.

Frank Bullitt

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Coveney speaking today

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1181588905025425408

The comments on these tweets are really a sight to behold. God bless the UK

Stop moaning ffs

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Wow, well done for putting words in my mouth.

I said real politick dictates that mini deals will need to be done in numerous areas, despite the aspirations of some not to do them.

If you go to the UK and break your leg, you will depend on the NHS for free care. And similarly if someone from the UK comes here and does the same.

Everybody in Europe has health cover in a member state. We’re all entitled to those European health insurance cards. Not sure what limits are kinds of procedures they cover but fairly sure any kind of accidents see you covered.

ToBeFrank123

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

So why would it be any different when the UK leaves the EU?

Unless a reciprocal arrangement is made, it will revert to needing travel insurance for EU citizens to visit the UK and vice versa. We know that travel insurance doesn't cover everything, so without an agreement you'd be left to pay your own medical fees if not covered by travel insurance or if you didn't get cover.

In the end it would be so messy with paperwork and the like, that a reciprocal arrangement would likely be made.

Like roaming charges its in no-ones interest to not have an arrangement, unless you fancy needing travel insurance everytime you cross to NI.

Stop moaning ffs

There it is. Tells you all you need to know

https://twitter.com/arron_banks/status/1181599586672156672?s=21

ToBeFrank123

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Everybody in Europe has health cover in a member state. We’re all entitled to those European health insurance cards. Not sure what limits are kinds of procedures they cover but fairly sure any kind of accidents see you covered.

But after a No Deal Brexit? It actually wasn't me who initiated this question, it was Leroy.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Because most people, it appears, equate No Deal with simply leaving on the UK terms. So everything stays the same except the EU can't tell them what to do.

And this where journalists and opposition MPs are falling down. Instead of deep questions, simple questions like 'what are the laws on roaming charges on 1st Nov?'

What happens to GB pensioners on 1st Nov?

What plans are in place to deal with a falling pound?
If you are abroad, are you covered for EU medical on 1st?
What happens to GDPR?
Is dury free available from 1st Nov?

A series of questions like these to highlight the real impact on peoples lives.

CelticRambler

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Unless a reciprocal arrangement is made, it will revert to needing travel insurance for EU citizens to visit the UK and vice versa. We know that travel insurance doesn't cover everything, so without an agreement you'd be left to pay your own medical fees if not covered by travel insurance or if you didn't get cover.

In the end it would be so messy with paperwork and the like, that a reciprocal arrangement would likely be made.

Like roaming charges its in no-ones interest to not have an arrangement, unless you fancy needing travel insurance everytime you cross to NI.

Huh? Brexit is in no-one's interest, but (apparently) it's the will of the people. According to the current PM, the UK has decided that silly inconveniences like reciprocal healthcare and pension arrangements are irrelevant to the prize of Unfettered Independence, so yes, you will need travel insurance for trips to the UK.

A "no deal" Brexit means no deals. The Brits are on their own, and EU citizen who goes to visit them will need to make the same arrangements as they would when visiting North Korea, Serbia or Uzbekistan.

And British citizens will need visas or visa waivers to visit the EU, just like the Americans, the Australians and the Japanese. Why do you think it should be any different? They want it that way.

Stop moaning ffs

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

But after a No Deal Brexit? It actually wasn't me who initiated this question, it was Leroy.

I don’t know but I imagine if you had an accident while on holiday in the U.K. you’d just get regular treatment from the nhs. Who knows.

Nhs are already prioritizing UK natives for cancer and other treatments, patients have to provide passport or photo id for the first time ever.

This in the run up to possible shortages of medicines etc in case of no deal.

farmchoice

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Unless a reciprocal arrangement is made, it will revert to needing travel insurance for EU citizens to visit the UK and vice versa. We know that travel insurance doesn't cover everything, so without an agreement you'd be left to pay your own medical fees if not covered by travel insurance or if you didn't get cover.

In the end it would be so messy with paperwork and the like, that a reciprocal arrangement would likely be made.

Like roaming charges its in no-ones interest to not have an arrangement, unless you fancy needing travel insurance everytime you cross to NI.

no it will be exactly the same as if you traveled to USA Canada Australia new zealand etc, you would need travel insurance, the policy you will buy will provide the correct cover required for the place you are traveling. that is why insurance for the USA is at present much more expensive then cover for france for example.

devnull

Just saw that LEAVE.Eu have posted another ridicolous poster.

Two world wars and one world cup with two fingers up it says. Can't seem to get link to work from twitter app but it's beyond embarrassing.

ToBeFrank123

CelticRambler wrote: »

No, there won't. Not on the EU's side.

So what do you call the mutual recognition of divorce between Britain and Ireland recently announced?

And will southern customers have to pay roaming charges if they go up the north?

ToBeFrank123

farmchoice wrote: »

no it will be exactly the same as if you traveled to USA Canada Australia new zealand etc, you would need travel insurance, the policy you will buy will provide the correct cover required for the place you are traveling. that is why insurance for the USA is at present much more expensive then cover for france for example.

So if you go up the north or even cross the border for a short time, you will need travel insurance?

Also car insurance...if you travel up the north will your car insurance be recognised?

Stop moaning ffs

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

So what do you call the mutual recognition of divorce between Britain and Ireland recently announced?

And will southern customers have to pay roaming charges if they go up the north?

Why stick on the roaming charges?
Bigger Things already arranged.
Irish government confirmed last few weeks patients from NI will be covered and paid for by HSE. And the scheme for cross border arrangements for treatments will continue no matter what.

** Irish government has done FAR more for NI citizens in all this than U.K. has

josip

CelticRambler wrote: »

A "no deal" Brexit means no deals. The Brits are on their own, and EU citizen who goes to visit them will need to make the same arrangements as they would when visiting North Korea, Serbia or Uzbekistan.

Different arrangements need to be made visiting the countries you have listed so I'm not exactly sure what your point is?

For example, an IDP is required and valid in Uzbekistan.
It is not valid in North Korea where a DPRK license is required.
EU driving licenses are valid in Serbia.

A green card is not required when visiting Serbia by car.
It is required when visiting Uzbekistan by car.
I have no idea what colour card is needed when visiting North Korea by car but if you've managed to get it that far, well done.

CelticRambler

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

So what do you call the mutual recognition of divorce between Britain and Ireland recently announced?

I call it irrelevant, because both countries are currently in the EU.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

And will southern customers have to pay roaming charges if they go up the north?

Potentially yes. And apply for a visa, and have their dog chipped and rabies-vaccinated, and declare all their recent purchases for VAT (payment or reclamation), and think of plenty of other procedures that haven't applied to travellers in Europe for the last 30 years.

But that's how the Brits want it. Sovereignty, you know. No deal is better than a bad deal, and all that.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

So if you go up the north or even cross the border for a short time, you will need travel insurance?

Also car insurance...if you travel up the north will your car insurance be recognised?

In theory, you'll need an international green card.

But hey, we all knew the presence of a British province on the island of would be problematic, but the current government says we're just being awkward. Rules are meant for other people.

Mr.Nice Guy

It's getting particularly nasty now. The Tories are going to ramp up the rhetoric, knowing an extension looms and an election is on the horizon. Likewise the DUP, who have come under criticism from all sides over the two borders idea, will revert to their default defence position: go on the offensive. We're seeing that with Foster's pitiful comments today.

The challenge for our politicians will be to keep calm and collected in the face of these hissy fits. They've done a pretty good job so far.

I've seen quite a lot of posts from Brexit supporters appalled by those Leave.EU WW2 tweets, which gives me a bit of optimism that there is still some semblance of decency around. That will be tested in the coming months because I can see a general election campaign being absolutely toxic.

CelticRambler

josip wrote: »

Different arrangements need to be made visiting the countries you have listed so I'm not exactly sure what your point is?

For example, an IDP is required and valid in Uzbekistan.
It is not valid in North Korea where a DPRK license is required.
EU driving licenses are valid in Serbia.

A green card is not required when visiting Serbia by car.
It is required when visiting Uzbekistan by car.
I have no idea what colour card is needed when visiting North Korea by car but if you've managed to get it that far, well done.

Thank you - you've made my point for me! As at close of business today, no-one has the foggiest idea what arrangements travellers to the UK will have to make, because the British themselves have no idea what they're doing.