Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

How strangely comforting to hear Theresa May's voice!

For me, May will go down as someone who tried hard in impossible circumstances. I don't dislike her at all.

ambro25

AllForIt wrote: »

This point is made in the British media on a daily basis multiple times per day.

"Getting Brexit done" is obviously meant in the sense of the UK no longer being a member of the EU by the end of the month (which would be the case if the deal passes today which I think and hope it will) and puts to bed any possibility of Brexit not happening at all.

Maybe a point already (long) made, and probably very redundant to make it this late in the current Brexit episode, but I very strongly suspect that "get Brexit done" is a Cummings creation, exactly like "get back control" was in 2016.

(Absurdly-) reductionist, vote-winning catchy slogans are his thing.

listermint

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For me, May will go down as someone who tried hard in impossible circumstances. I don't dislike her at all.

Very unlikeable character. Made up her own personal red lines ruined the last three years.


Hard not to dislike her.

4068ac1elhodqr

Strazdas wrote: »

Brexit will : I suspect it's already game over for NI

Indie Scot will speed it up dramatically, and be more persuasive than just brexit alone. Odds and recent Polls show that it'll also pass assuming some sort of brexit still occurs.

Joe_ Public

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For me, May will go down as someone who tried hard in impossible circumstances. I don't dislike her at all.

I wouldn't condemn her for brexit, she made a mess of it but inherited bad position.

Grenfell, windrush, eu citizens rights among other calamities however - that will be her toxic legacy. History will judge harshly i believe.

GM228

Hummm

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1185540378952372224?s=19

I was under the impression it was very likely to pass.

listermint

listermint wrote: »

Very unlikeable character. Made up her own personal red lines ruined the last three years.


Hard not to dislike her.

Her red lines were the only way the UK could benefit from this shltshow.. In my opinion. I am far from the most knowledgeable here.

tanko

Are they voting on the Letwin Amendment first?

liamtech

tanko wrote: »

Are they voting on the Letwin Amendment first?

apparently - and then if letwin goes through - no BoJo meaningful vote - and then i think there is a vote confirming that No Deal is still unacceptable

so maybe 2-4 votes

swampgas

I wonder if "the undemocratic backstop" was one of his (Cummings) too? Because it opened the door to the current deal, where the backstop was modified to introduce some consent from NI, thus making it "the democratic backstop", and transformed into an acceptable component of the exit process.

ambro25

listermint wrote: »

Very unlikeable character. Made up her own personal red lines ruined the last three years.

Hard not to dislike her.

She made the UK's "hostile environment" policy hers, and hers alone when she was HomeSec.

A nasty, vindictive, xenophobic politician who successfully underwent a complete ablation of empathy, and who thoroughly deserves every last drop of Karma coming down her way over the years to come.

c.p.w.g.w

BBC, talking to some members of the public. "I want Brexit, to create more manufacturing jobs, create more employment"

Joe_ Public

May had terrible advice. Those 2 chancers who ensured she lost the majority in 2017. That spoofer Nick Timothy still gets traction writing in telegraph, usually ad hominem unresearched attacks on corbyn and Labour.

McGiver

Sammy Wilson is such a repulsive disgusting person, he's full of anger, red in the face, suddenly abusing the GFA, which his middle ages party want destroyed, but now he uses it his in his nonsensical pitch. Who voted for this kind of a person? I fear to imagine.

I despise this guy and the DUP, they are pathetic. And all that despite I'm not Irish, so don't have a skin in the game! He and his party are an antithesis of liberal, secular, European values, it's shocking to see something like this in 21st century EU.

Seeing DUP so pissed off about the NI "frontstop" gives me certain satisfaction though

Joe_ Public

GM228 wrote: »

Hummm

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1185540378952372224?s=19

I was under the impression it was very likely to pass.

Me too. Still am though cant be too sure about anything at this stage.

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

DUP still not declaring their position on the Letwyn amendment.

Are they suggesting they are waiting to be convinced (bribed) by Johnson?

https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/1185539036263399424

Tea Shock

Deleted User wrote: »

For me, May will go down as someone who tried hard in impossible circumstances. I don't dislike her at all.

She had more integrity than Johnson but that’s not saying much

She’s still going to vote for something she said no Tory government should ever allow. She still made an absolute hames of the job!

tanko

How much of a majority did Teresa May have when she called a General Election and lost her majority?

Capt'n Midnight

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Is Sammy drunk? his face is red, speech slurred, sentences clipped

You can use this handy guide to see how serious the situation is for the DUP.

https://theulsterfry.com/featured/colour-of-sammy-wilsons-face-to-be-used-for-weather-warnings/



The only really good part of the deal is that there's a way to avoid a hard border. And that mechanism can be incorporated in any future deal.

From the EU side the UK can't leave the frontstop unilaterally, NI can, but not the UK. And from day one the Backstop was only going to be unless and until it was replaced by something else.


Interesting that the UK now have to get the DUP to accept the Max Fac eborder that the DUP were happy with earlier.



I'm still not sure that Steven Barclay's Mo Molem faux pas wasn't a cumming cunning attempt to sabotage the deal by alienating any undecided Labour MPs.

Itssoeasy

tanko wrote: »

How much of a majority did Teresa May have when she called a General Election and lost her majority?

About 10 or something like that. Not a huge majority whatever it was but a working majority.

Strazdas

McGiver wrote: »

Sammy Wilson is such a repulsive disgusting person, he's full of anger, red in the face, suddenly abusing the GFA, which his middle ages party want destroyed, but now he uses it his in his nonsensical pitch. Who voted for this kind of a person? I fear to imagine.

I despise this guy and the DUP, they are pathetic. And all that despite I'm not Irish, so don't have a skin in the game! He and his party are an antithesis of liberal, secular, European values, it's shocking to see something like this in 21st century EU.

Seeing DUP so pissed off about the NI "frontstop" gives me certain satisfaction though

Apparently Wilson wants No Deal! Whilst it will decimate the NI economy, it gets rid of the border in the Irish Sea

FrancieBrady

Tell me how wrote: »

https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/1185539036263399424

'Democracy' in action?

FrancieBrady

Strazdas wrote: »

Apparently Wilson wants No Deal! Whilst it will decimate the NI economy, it gets rid of the border in the Irish Sea

For about 2 weeks!

A Dub in Glasgo

tanko wrote: »

How much of a majority did Teresa May have when she called a General Election and lost her majority?

12

McGiver

McGiver wrote: »

Sammy Wilson is such a repulsive disgusting person, he's full of anger, red in the face,

I thought he came across well. He's right, if you come from that side of the argument.

BarryD2

Massive march on the streets again in favour of remain and/or a confirmatory vote. Beats me entirely how the Brexiteers get away with threatening riots if they don't get their way. To date there have been at least 3 massive marches in favour of the public having a vote on the matters again. Whereas the corresponding Brexiteer demos have been tiny in comparison. You get the feeling that the British political establishment whether in England/ Wales or NI doesn't particularly take much notice of what their electorate tells them.

devnull

Looking like Letwin might not get through now, touch and go apparently, and the later is looking less likely by the hour and the Tories are now pressuring on the DUP to vote the adequate way.

Hope it passes but not the foregone conclusion it was earlier.

WomanSkirtFan8

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Whatever you say about Sammy, he's not wrong about what he said there. This is a nightmare for Unionists.

Not just a nightmare for them but their absolutely Worst nightmare.

Capt'n Midnight

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

BBC, talking to some members of the public. "I want Brexit, to create more manufacturing jobs, create more employment"

In the short term it will because it's cheaper short term than capital investment .

Or rather that's what's been happening for the last few years. UK worker productivity hasn't gone up unlike the rest of the OECD. The car industry has missed out on billions in investment.

Existing assets will be run into the ground figuratively speaking as UK companies don't win internal competitions to produce the next model for their multinational owners.

There was a docu about UK carmaking and they were bigging up the new electric black taxi's for export. 50,000 a year. So only a tiny part of the vehicle market. .

The company is owned by the Chinese. Half the taxi's are exported so like every other UK car company the question is where is the tipping point.


DIVISON !

Harry Palmr

DIVISION! (yep for years now)