Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

Spanish Eyes

sondagefaux wrote: »

My post was in response to an implication that only poorer areas voted majority Leave. That was not the case.

OK, they have all been brainwashed so. No one will benefit from Brexit, but of course the post colonial hubris of the UK will continue to think it will, in their arrogance.

It will be a sad and dispiriting outcome for many. But Johnson doesn't care a fig about that.

Joe_ Public

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Just for the record ,
- because this is just as important as the future of the 66 million people living in the UK.

Is it Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

Nope. There's six reindeer, four zebra, camels, three raccoons, a fox, a macaw, and a zebu.

And travelling circuses will be banned from using the animals. Both of them!

Edit: and doing the math, thats, um, like 150,000 people for each wild animal. Priorities sound just about spot on there.

PropJoe10

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well if the progamme vote is passed, it will be a fait accompli now, kind of like the opposite to filibustering to oppose it.

That MPs could actually vote for such a thing is beyond me now. But why am I surprised?

I place my trust in the Lords. They won't stand for this bullsh!t. I hope anyway.

But not sure if the Progamme Vote needs Lords approval. Anyone know?

I believe not, as its just a procedural motion. Only bills to be enacted into law need Lords approval, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Kermit.de.frog

Labour desperately don't want an election.

They are now saying they are available right now for a deal of between 7 - 9 days for the timetable.

They want to do everything to obstruct without causing an election.

spacecoyote

sondagefaux wrote: »

Many affluent areas had a majority vote in favour of Leave too.

The biggest indicator of voting Leave was age, closely followed by formal educational attainment level.

Up to a point with age.

If I remember correctly, outside of 18-24 year olds, those aged around 80+ were the next highest remain voters. Basically the people who lived through WW2 & know how much better a united Europe is.

prawnsambo

If the DUP still think the ERG are their friends, well they just might not be...

devnull

Has anyone seen this?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/22/operation-yellowhammer-brexit-preparations?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR30N0M9MtSJrOmPtqTh9T3l8I279R7MPhGXhmudeHCmDJA8Ml-LyEMhKp4

Account of what has happened with Yellowhammer and the story behind it, apparently from a civil servant.

marno21

A reminder from Twitter of exactly the motivation behind the PM’s “strategies” at present. It really is the reasoning behind everything we’ve seen to date

https://twitter.com/laboursblackplp/status/1184522427885334528

Anywhere you can watch brexit debate live?

Sparko

Deleted User wrote: »

Anywhere you can watch brexit debate live?

Sky news flit in and out. Online you can watch here:
https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/8b654f4f-2dc1-454b-b881-039faf2da5c4

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Anywhere you can watch brexit debate live?

Now...

Generally, just search for 'House of Commons Live' on YT and you should be sorted.

Joe_ Public

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Labour desperately don't want an election.

They are now saying they are available right now for a deal of between 7 - 9 days for the timetable.

They want to do everything to obstruct without causing an election.

Labour are giving them the chance of bringing some common sense into it and having a proper debate and scrutiny of the bill. Everyone and his dog knows that oct 31 deadline cant be met anyway so pm should just drop the act and do the right thing.

Of course tories wont agree to it anyway, so its all just a positioning business. The programme motion will be defeated and just have to see where they go from there.

liamtech

think this is the vote coming up soon - this is the last speaker before the vote - anyone wanna call this?

sadly i think this might pass

Joe_ Public

Letwin saying vote for deal in order to avoid no deal.

I think i would put it definitely vote against deal in order to avoid risk of no deal.

The high horse brigade

liamtech wrote: »

think this is the vote coming up soon - this is the last speaker before the vote - anyone wanna call this?

sadly i think this might pass

It needs to pass, we've had enough of it now

Kermit.de.frog

liamtech wrote: »

think this is the vote coming up soon - this is the last speaker before the vote - anyone wanna call this?

sadly i think this might pass

The first will pass.

Second one (timetable) very tight.

PropJoe10

liamtech wrote: »

think this is the vote coming up soon - this is the last speaker before the vote - anyone wanna call this?

sadly i think this might pass

Hopefully it passes. This shambles can't continue.

Spanish Eyes

Pass or fail, they are doomed. Hoist by their own petard.

Spanish Eyes

How many times on this journey have we been at this pass?

Honestly, So much for the UK being in control of everything.

bazermc

Division. Clear the lobbies.

Kermit.de.frog

Going to be close on the timetable!

https://twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/1186704139557965824

liamtech

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The first will pass.

Second one (timetable) very tight.

id second that -

even if i was in favor of brexit i wouldnt be prepared to rush the thing through just so BJ isnt embarrassed by not leaving on 31st October

Id say

VOTE 1 - Narrow win
VOTE 2 - Solid but not substantial loss

For me question is whether BJ sticks to his guns - its insane and childish of him tbh

https://www.ft.com/content/cb962dfb-1d9f-38ce-a27d-131bbd039f9a

Kermit.de.frog

It's annoying me listening to Alister Campbell - moaning about the "border" in the Irish sea.

Of course a month a go he was all against a border on the island of Ireland - at all costs.

As long as it suits their remain agenda. Just using whatever the issue happens to be.

Spanish Eyes

Be interesting to see if the timetable passes. If it does, it is all over now.

IMO of course. The battle, bullying and brainwashing has succeeded. OK that's "Democracy" for you.

devnull

This is going to pass I think, second one is going to be tight I reckon.

Labour's Sarah Champion, Gareth Snell and Ruth Smeeth have voted with government, along with John Mann and Antoinette Sandbach who are independent.

A Dub in Glasgo

I will say it again, the method of voting in the HoC is a farce and they need to move with the times

Kermit.de.frog

Majority of 30 for second reading.

Mr.Nice Guy

Are we getting somewhere at last?

A Dub in Glasgo

329 v 299

liamtech

329 - For
299 - Against

Majority 30

Win for the GVT

now

THIS IS IT - This is the one

https://www.ft.com/content/cb962dfb-1d9f-38ce-a27d-131bbd039f9a

Will they or wont they - will he or wont he