Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

dePeatrick

Johnson has an 'Actual Plan' I still don't think so...he is winging it still...

Strazdas

dePeatrick wrote: »

Johnson has an 'Actual Plan' I still don't think so...he is winging it still...

Yeah, wasn't this written on a few scraps of A4 paper according to reports?

dePeatrick

'Non Papers' if I understood it correctly...can't be shared with 27 EU members!

Water John

It's one of the non papers submitted to the EU negotiating team. Seems it's quite detailed so, the UK may think this could have legs. That may tell us a lot about the UK.

An Ciarraioch

Dundalk, Newry and Derry would all form part of Bizonia:

https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1178769649690976256

FrancieBrady

As Tommy Gorman said on RTE News, accepting this would be the political death warrant of any Irish government.

https://www.facebook.com/bordercommunitiesagainstbrexit/videos/463316694265864/

ancapailldorcha

Mod: Post deleted. Please only post tweets if they're constructive.

boggerman1

The British government is gone totally rogue with these absolutely insane proposal's.just let them off.no more fooling around.

A Shropshire Lad

"On the Island of Island"

liamtech

If it looks like, sounds like, and walks like a border - its a border

Its an obvious non starter, and they have to know that. what possible benefit is there in announcing this?

If its part of a ploy to get the election so be it, but if they actually think this solves anything????

BonnieSituation

GM228 wrote: »

Will be interesting to see if she does this, a Monarch has not removed a Government since 1834.

Well, the Governor General (Lizzie's Rep) dismissed Whitlam's Govt in 1975

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis

So that could count tbf...

BonnieSituation

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

With all the focus on the backstop, turns out today is the centenary of partition:

https://twitter.com/131Weeks/status/1178634352751759360

What a beautiful day

BonnieSituation

careless sherpa wrote: »

There is a Scottish one call pieandbovril. Is a football forum but the politics section is pretty funny and has a few threads devoted to Brexit. The politics forum on betfair has an amazing amount of anti irish bile. Must not be moderated at all given the xenophobic utterings. Definitely one to avoid

Funny given Betfair is an Irish company these days...

Headshot

liamtech wrote: »

If it looks like, sounds like, and walks like a border - its a border

Its an obvious non starter, and they have to know that. what possible benefit is there in announcing this?

If its part of a ploy to get the election so be it, but if they actually think this solves anything????

They know it wont resolve anything as all they want is a no deal brexit.

This so call proposition is just a token gesture from the UK Government and they know full well it will be shut down from the start but they can now go back to the some of the gullible voters saying "we told you had a deal but the EU wouldnt budge"

Enzokk

Rjd2 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1178667150468423681

very early days but a BBC journo saying their won't be a no confidence vote this week and the blame been laid on the door of SNP.

I suspect that's the Lib Dems doing some propaganda.

Would be very silly not to have a vote this week with the tories in Manchester.

You need to make Johnson ask for the extension or break the law not doing it. Make him look bad, they can call a VONC before the 31st October and install the GNU and request a extension yourself once it has become clear Johnson had no intention of abiding by the law. The objective is to make Johnson look as bad as they can before the inevitable election. By giving him a no-confidence vote now will give him some leverage still.

J Mysterio wrote: »

lol, facepalm etc.

"Customs Centres" 5-10 miles from the border.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1178760377678618626Genius.

I thought one of the reasons we need to avoid a border is that it would become a target for terrorists? Surely just moving a few km's doesn't negate this concern at all. These are not serious proposals and it is no wonder they wanted it kept quiet, because it is as close to a non-starter as you can get. The EU will look at it, shake their heads and reject it.

BonnieSituation

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ConHome/status/1178687541773553670

Or in the Irish sea...

If Ireland doesn't want to impose an unwanted border on Ireland... Repeat that ad nauseum...

Then when you get bored, repeat: "British Border in Ireland" ad infinitum..and then hopefully Brexit is over then.

aerburdz

These new border check proposals are unacceptable, in breach of the GFA and almost certainly will incite dissident violence.

Whoever came up with these proposals clearly had a few pints on them.

It's ridiculous.

Quantum Erasure

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Dundalk, Newry and Derry would all form part of Bizonia:

https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1178769649690976256

the customs checks would be on the border side of towns, i presume...

circadian

Let's stick Creggan in a weird unstable null zone.

It's not like it's an estate known for dissident republicanism. What could possibly go wrong?

aerburdz

This is not a serious proposition. It’s designed to be rejected, so that they can pretend it’s all the mean EU27 not being reasonable.

It will be rejected because it deserves to be rejected because it’s unworkable nonsense.

aerburdz

I think Stormzy summed up the feelings of the British public towards the political situation in his song Vossi Bop:

'F*ck the government and f*ck Boris.'

Kermit.de.frog

What customs officers would want to take a job in these centers?

Customs officers are customs officers, not police or army. Be surprised if there were any north or south willing to take the risk.

LeinsterDub

https://twitter.com/CiaranCuffe/status/1178786414487572482

These aren't serious proposals. For internal uk consumption only.

circadian

aerburdz wrote: »

This is not a serious proposition. It’s designed to be rejected, so that they can pretend it’s all the mean EU27 not being reasonable.

It will be rejected because it deserves to be rejected because it’s unworkable nonsense.

Without a doubt. Once the bill passed that he had to go and try and get something it was obvious it would be done in bad faith. Appalling behaviour.

The EU would be wise to call their bluff. I think this is the endgane for the Brexiteers in the Tory party. Either they succeed in getting a no deal or they're gone. The ring leader has reached his peak and the EU just need to wait it out and have will have an adult to deal with soon enough.

aerburdz

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What customs officers would want to take a job in these centers?

Customs officers and customs officers, not police or army. Be surprised if there were any north or south willing to take the risk.

You could pay me €1m to be a customs officer st the border in Newry and I would decline, as would every person who values their personal safety. They are a walking target for dissidents.

There is only one solution to the border situation, and that's reunification. But since that isn't on the cards ATM, there is simply no viable solution.

Capt'n Midnight

J Mysterio wrote: »

lol, facepalm etc.

"Customs Centres" 5-10 miles from the border.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1178760377678618626Genius.

This from June last year shows what a 10 mile one on the UK side looks like. It includes ALL of Derry city and most of Arlene's constituency


On the Irish side ?
Ballyshannon is less than 5Km from the border so County Donegal would be cut off. Inishowen would also be cut off.

Letterkenny and Donegal town would be in in the buffer as would Dundalk and Cavan town. 10 miles would take most of Counties Leitrim and Monaghan too.


It's lunacy. And then there's the recent Kevin Lunney thing too as if anyone needed a reminder of what could happen.

Kermit.de.frog

FT saying the UK will know by the end of the week whether the EU wishes to engage with their idea.

In other words all talks could (and probably will) be halted by the weekend.

Enzokk

The more this idea sinks in the more unworkable it becomes. Is this really the best they can do? Look at this map and spot the problem,

https://twitter.com/SamuelMarcLowe/status/1178766070401900544?s=20

aerburdz

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

FT saying the UK will know by the end of the week whether the EU wishes to engage with their idea.

In other words all talks could (and probably will) be halted by the weekend.

If this is the only proposal that the UK can come up with then they may as well call it a day.

aerburdz

Enzokk wrote: »

The more this idea sinks in the more unworkable it becomes. Is this really the best they can do? Look at this map and spot the problem,

The population around which the border lies generally don't like the border.

I'm telling you, customs posts = hard border = The Troubles 2.0.