Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

Thargor

The guy is such a weakling, I wish the rest of their media would take up the head of C4s suggestion and just start calling them liars, of course he's heard of her and this issue he's just too spineless to say anything that could be construed as negative against Trump, its just so pathetic:

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1178955573137727488

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Thargor wrote: »

The guy is such a weakling, I wish the rest of their media would take up the head of C4s suggestion and just start calling them liars, of course he's heard of her and this issue he's just too spineless to say anything that could be construed as negative against Trump, its just so pathetic:

Gees if Nick Ferrari is treating you with some derision you don't have many friends left.

The way he says 'your whole team' is revealing.

liamtech

Thargor wrote: »

The guy is such a weakling, I wish the rest of their media would take up the head of C4s suggestion and just start calling them liars, of course he's heard of her and this issue he's just too spineless to say anything that could be construed as negative against Trump, its just so pathetic:

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1178955573137727488

its inconceivable that he doesnt know about this story - its been in the papers for days - and he will certainly have been given press briefings

Complete abject cowardice, and brown nosing to the trump administration

strandroad

Tell me how wrote: »

Gees if Nick Ferrari is treating you with some derision you don't have many friends left.

The way he says 'your whole team' is revealing.

Very interesting to see how Johnson is trying to play his affable lost chap persona, only here it's a complete fail; he can't really keep doing it as a PM.

GM228

Fantastic diagram of what could happen next:-

Leroy42

Quite the change from the UK. Gone from a position of ,'No border infrastructure ' to one of 'of course there will be some infrastructure'.

Just goes to prove that all those calling for more talks with Ireland, more movement from the EU, were wrong. The UK never had any intention of doing anything except try to bully both Ireland and the EU.

JRM said on Choppers Brexit Podcast, when asked why he voted for MV3, was that he felt they might lose Brexit altogether and they could always tear up any deal once they had left. That is what you are dealing with.

No Deal is terrible but it is inevitable. Whether now, or if a deal is done it will just be a series of changes.

woejus

maebee wrote: »

Quote:
Brexit breakthrough as France and Germany cave on backstop - Boris set for major victory

Absolute BS. Similar to the headline "Victory to Boris" after his meeting with Merkel when she caved in and "granted him 30 days". LOL

The word Victory and Boris cannot be used in the same sentence. He has had nothing but losses since he took office.

"set" is the shortest word in the English language with the most meanings... make of this what you will.

maebee

GM228 wrote: »

Fantastic diagram of what could happen next:-

Brilliant diagram. It could have been made from the posts on this thread .

GM228

maebee wrote: »

Brilliant diagram. It could have been made from the posts on this thread .

Slightly updated version 25:-

An Ciarraioch

This Telegraph piece seems contradictory - NI would leave customs union with UK, remain in large parts of Single Market, but customs checks would still be required between NI and the Republic?

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1179138537691725826

CelticRambler

GM228 wrote: »

Fantastic diagram of what could happen next:-

It is! Love that step on the lower left "No idea what the hell happens here"

Hardly a surprise that Brexit with a deal on 31 Oct doesn't even scrape 1% of probability.

briany

Leroy42 wrote: »

JRM said on Choppers Brexit Podcast, when asked why he voted for MV3, was that he felt they might lose Brexit altogether and they could always tear up any deal once they had left. That is what you are dealing with.

If he said that, then we truly are dealing with perfidious Albion. It is quite astonishing how short the UK government has set its sights. Its current bad-faith dealings with the EU would give rightful cause for alarm with would-be trade partners around the world. They're pretty much saying that if they settle on terms which they come to feel are sub-optimal for them, they will use every trick in the book to weasel out of them, and then, as the kicker, play the victim when the other side cries foul.

CelticRambler

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

This Telegraph piece seems contradictory - NI would leave customs union with UK, remain in large parts of Single Market, but customs checks would still be required between NI and the Republic?

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1179138537691725826

That photo - unashamedly copied from Macron's recent Time Magazine cover, no doubt. Except Macron knows how to dress and behave when he's out in public.

liamtech

GM228 wrote: »

Slightly updated version 25:-

the 'Not Enough Time for a VONC' component - i am not sure that is the case - it says +14 to brexit in this one - i imagine if the VONC succeeds it wont matter how many days are left - with SNP/LB/LIBDEM discussions under way it is not a stretch to imagine they will have an agreement at this stage for the caretaker - meaning that arrow should head to the Caretaker PM box

Or am i wrong? the '14 days to command a majority in the commons' part of a VONC is just a limit - i always read it as UP TO 14 DAYS? as in they have that time and no more

One would imagine that even with the disagreements between JC, JS and the SNP, if it meant that this was the only option to stop no deal, it would take em 14 minutes to decide on Ken Clarke or .. ANYONE.. to call a halt to the crash

Kermit.de.frog

The Guardian saying they have been briefed that Dublin will come under pressure to accept a time limit if Johnson presents a coherent plan.

If the EU let's this country down over this fundamental issue there will be consequences and very negative public reaction toward the EU.

The stakes could not be higher.

Accepting a time limit is the same as a countdown to a physical border.

L1011

Johnson won't present a coherent plan though

Imreoir2

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Guardian saying they have been briefed that Dublin will come under pressure to accept a time limit if Johnson presents a coherent plan.

If the EU let's this country down over this fundamental issue there will be consequences and very negative public reaction toward the EU.

The stakes could not be higher.

UK journalists have consistantly been found to be wrong on this time and again, I don't see much reason to believe them this time. Why agree a hard compromise with a leader who is a proven liar and has no chance of getting a deal passed anyway.

Sam Russell

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Guardian saying they have been briefed that Dublin will come under pressure to accept a time limit if Johnson presents a coherent plan.

If the EU let's this country down over this fundamental issue there will be consequences and very negative public reaction toward the EU.

The stakes could not be higher.

Accepting a time limit is the same as a countdown to a physical border.

There is no way the Irish Gov will accept a time limit. Absolutely no way.

There is no way Angela Merkle will go with it either - she remembers the support Ireland gave for the reunification of Germany.

There is no way Barnier will go with it either. He knows about the GF agreement and the border.

There is no way the Commission, with Big Phil, will go with it.

No way. That will not happen.

An Ciarraioch

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Guardian saying they have been briefed that Dublin will come under pressure to accept a time limit if Johnson presents a coherent plan.

If the EU let's this country down over this fundamental issue there will be consequences and very negative public reaction toward the EU.

The stakes could not be higher.

Accepting a time limit is the same as a countdown to a physical border.

Reader, the plan was not coherent:

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179136001647792129

Imreoir2

Sam Russell wrote: »

There is no way the Irish Gov will accept a time limit. Absolutely no way.

There is no way Angela Merkle will go with it either - she remembers the support Ireland gave for the reunification of Germany.

There is no way Barnier will go with it either. He knows about the GF agreement and the border.

There is no way the Commission, with Big Phil, will go with it.

No way. That will not happen.

Just to add to the point, no way the European Parliament would ratify it.

J Mysterio

Boris and seething faces.... Sea.. of DUP faces

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1179120524376580096

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Sam Russell wrote: »

There is no way the Irish Gov will accept a time limit. Absolutely no way.

There is no way Angela Merkle will go with it either - she remembers the support Ireland gave for the reunification of Germany.

There is no way Barnier will go with it either. He knows about the GF agreement and the border.

There is no way the Commission, with Big Phil, will go with it.

No way. That will not happen.

Even aside from the above, another factor which I think will have steeled EU resolve both individually and collectively is the absolute shambles which the UK has made of negotiations and their repeated stance that the EU would concede. Should the EU do so, the UK would hold a fireworks party on the Thames declaring Victory Day 2019 and make them impossible to talk to in future negotiations.

WomanSkirtFan8

L1011 wrote: »

Johnson won't present a coherent plan though

exactly. And he hasn't got a hope in hell of coming up with one given how split the tories are on this. :rolleyes:

Water John

Hotch Potch would be the best description of those proposals.

Dyr

Sam Russell wrote: »

There is no way the Irish Gov will accept a time limit. Absolutely no way.

There is no way Angela Merkle will go with it either - she remembers the support Ireland gave for the reunification of Germany.

There is no way Barnier will go with it either. He knows about the GF agreement and the border.

There is no way the Commission, with Big Phil, will go with it.

No way. That will not happen.

It's very unlikely that it will be happen, but not for any of those reasons.

marno21

Arlene Foster seems happy with these "proposals".

Which means with almost certainty that they are a non-runner.

prawnsambo

Tell me how wrote: »

Even aside from the above, another factor which I think will have steeled EU resolve both individually and collectively is the absolute shambles which the UK has made of negotiations and their repeated stance that the EU would concede. Should the EU do so, the UK would hold a fireworks party on the Thames declaring Victory Day 2019 and make them impossible to talk to in future negotiations.

And the other elephant in the room that everyone seems to be ignoring is that Johnson has no majority, parliament has him by the short and curlies and will ask for an extension whether he likes it or not. The desire for a deal doesn't exclude the possibility that they would be doing it with someone else.

WomanSkirtFan8

J Mysterio wrote: »

Boris and seething faces.... Sea.. of DUP faces

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1179120524376580096

absolute nutcases the whole lot of them. Then again, it IS the DUP so not suprising really. :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady

marno21 wrote: »

Arlene Foster seems happy with these "proposals".

Which means with almost certainty that they are a non-runner.

Because she knows we are still on track for No Deal.

LeinsterDub

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Guardian saying they have been briefed that Dublin will come under pressure to accept a time limit if Johnson presents a coherent plan.

If the EU let's this country down over this fundamental issue there will be consequences and very negative public reaction toward the EU.

The stakes could not be higher.

Accepting a time limit is the same as a countdown to a physical border.

The EU and as such Ireland have been saying this for 3 years. Show us a workable plan and until you do its the backstop for you.