Brexit discussion thread XI (Please read OP before posting)

Professor Moriarty

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Guardian saying they have been briefed that Dublin will come under pressure to accept a time limit if Johnson presents a coherent plan.

If the EU let's this country down over this fundamental issue there will be consequences and very negative public reaction toward the EU.

The stakes could not be higher.

Accepting a time limit is the same as a countdown to a physical border.

Would you have a link to that?

Mr.Nice Guy

NI business reaction:

https://twitter.com/ManufacturingNI/status/1179144723908485120

https://twitter.com/ManufacturingNI/status/1179148284897763329

It does feel like we're about to enter a new phase tomorrow: all out blame game.

maebee

J Mysterio wrote: »

Boris and seething faces.... Sea.. of DUP faces

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1179120524376580096

The blinkered DUP cannot see that BoJo is the greatest threat to the union, not Corbyn

FrancieBrady

Powell is an angry and withering man on Newsnight at the minute. 'A scam' and 'nonsense' and 'pretence' in the vocabulary

Mr.Nice Guy

Jonathan Powell excellent once again on Newsnight. Describing the proposals put forward by Johnson as a "scam", something not serious.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179141080236863488

This guy is in charge of the UK now?

brick tamland

That sham of a proposal wouldnt even get thru the commons without a Tory majority, let alone the EU.

prawnsambo

You'd think Congress would be too busy with 'other things' on their mind, but no, they've got themselves a little resolution going.

No GFA, no trade deal.

Shelga

Part of me wishes the EU would just refuse an extension. Put parliament in a position where they have to choose between revoking article 50, or crashing out with no deal.

A general election is almost inevitably either going to result in a hung parliament, giving us no more clarity than we have today, or a Tory majority, in which case we’re headed for no deal anyway.

Let’s just get on with it.

J Mysterio

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179141080236863488

This guy is in charge of the UK now?

Also this bit. No one can seriously expect this can they? They must get it by now?

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179141612141711362

maebee

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1179141080236863488

This guy is in charge of the UK now?

He has been, since BoJo became PM.

liamtech

Its definitely about the Blame Game now - they just want to make this our fault - as in the EU and Ireland

Rather striking Anti Irish Press Preview on Sky News at 10:30 (annoyed now that i missed Newsnight on the Beeb) = but the tone was very anti-dublin

One of the reviewers basically said that if ireland were offered a deal with a cure for cancer attached, we would say no

Leroy42

Yeah this is, as usual, aimed at internal UK consumption. It has nothing to do with a deal.

Johnson is not looking for a deal. A deal will hand lots of votes to BP and that, ultimately, is what Johnson is focused on. Winning an election. And no way he does that by stricking a deal.

And the EU are fully aware of that. They know this isn't about them. They will stick to the same lines as before. LauraK was tweeting that this may get the EU talking to the UK as if that means anything.

The EU will continue to talk, knowing nothing will happen but looking to at least have tried.

The fact that Johnson has basically shafted NI, whilst giving them almost no benefit, will be lost in the noise.

maebee

prawnsambo wrote: »

You'd think Congress would be too busy with 'other things' on their mind, but no, they've got themselves a little resolution going.

No GFA, no trade deal.

Boris & Co are really not getting that the GFA is an International agreement that their country signed up for and how extremely important it is. USA is not on for trading with them if they compromise the GFA.

It's all about themselves, little Englanders. They will break up their union. What a price to pay for the Union Jack!.

They will struggle bigtime for trading partners. USA out. OZ out, as per ex PM today on Sky News. The world is watching their behaviour. They are a disgrace.

Written with a heavy heart as I have family and friends in the UK.

is_that_so

A swift response to this nonsense.

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/117915300150580019200

Spanish Eyes

If they could only exit and leave the rest of us alone, it would be ok.

As it is, it will be a disaster for their "dear friends", and they know it.

But whilst No Deal will be tough for many including ourselves, there is a danger that if they stay in with a deal of sorts, they will be a thorn in the side of the EU forever more.

That is not an inviting prospect is it?

Kermit.de.frog

I think the picture of all the new customs cars today in Dundalk pretty much confirms we expect no deal now.


For how long will it be no deal for?

prawnsambo

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

If they could only exit and leave the rest of us alone, it would be ok.

As it is, it will be a disaster for their "dear friends", and they know it.

But whilst No Deal will be tough for many including ourselves, there is a danger that if they stay in with a deal of sorts, they will be a thorn in the side of the EU forever more.

That is not an inviting prospect is it?

This part is interesting and echoes what you said above.

liamtech

is_that_so wrote: »

A swift response to this nonsense.

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/117915300150580019200

link seems to be broken pal - can you repost?

Duane Dibbley

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

If they could only exit and leave the rest of us alone, it would be ok.

As it is, it will be a disaster for their "dear friends", and they know it.

But whilst No Deal will be tough for many including ourselves, there is a danger that if they stay in with a deal of sorts, they will be a thorn in the side of the EU forever more.

That is not an inviting prospect is it?

The best part of a no deal brexit for Ireland and the EU is that we can start work dealing with the outcome of brexit and adapt so we can all move on.

prawnsambo

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think the picture of all the new customs cars today in Dundalk pretty much confirms we expect no deal now.


For how long will it be no deal for?

Until Boris's backers rake in all their gains from betting against sterling?

And look for another go round when they buy long on the basis that he caves and signs up for a deal.

is_that_so

liamtech wrote: »

link seems to be broken pal - can you repost?

Hmm

Fine now!

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1179153001505800192

FrancieBrady

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think the picture of all the new customs cars today in Dundalk pretty much confirms we expect no deal now.


For how long will it be no deal for?

Customs have always been knocking about Kermit.

Don't know what to make of that photo...pretty sure there was a similar one on social media a while ago during some 'Ireland are about to be thrown under a bus' crisis.

Spanish Eyes

prawnsambo wrote: »

This part is interesting and echoes what you said above.

Hi your link only appeared when I quoted it and is not working, can you link again thanks.

Strazdas

liamtech wrote: »

Its definitely about the Blame Game now - they just want to make this our fault - as in the EU and Ireland

Rather striking Anti Irish Press Preview on Sky News at 10:30 (annoyed now that i missed Newsnight on the Beeb) = but the tone was very anti-dublin

One of the reviewers basically said that if ireland were offered a deal with a cure for cancer attached, we would say no

Totally missing the point that businesses and hauliers in NI are deeply alarmed at the reports coming out of London.

Harry Palmr

liamtech wrote: »

Its definitely about the Blame Game now - they just want to make this our fault - as in the EU and Ireland

Rather striking Anti Irish Press Preview on Sky News at 10:30 (annoyed now that i missed Newsnight on the Beeb) = but the tone was very anti-dublin

One of the reviewers basically said that if ireland were offered a deal with a cure for cancer attached, we would say no

Didn't see the papers (they always have a right wing guest to balance the centreist/lefty) but the (Ireland?) correspondent they had on after the 11 PM news was thoroughly cynical about the motives for this proposal. Indeed I've noticed the media starting to ask the questions with an edge that was totally lacking up till now. Everyone sees Boris Johnson is a spoofer at this stage. Even Kussenburg seems to be getting a bit more "ballsy" in tone.

liamtech

is_that_so wrote: »

Hmm

Fine now!

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1179153001505800192

Perfect man -- thanks

prawnsambo

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Hi your link only appeared when I quoted it and is not working, can you link again thanks.

Working fine for me, but here goes aain

liamtech

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Didn't see the papers (they always have a right wing guest to balance the centreist/lefty) but the (Ireland?) correspondent they had on after the 11 PM news was thoroughly cynical about the motives for this proposal. Indeed I've noticed the media starting to ask the questions with an edge that was totally lacking up till now. Everyone sees Boris Johnson is a spoofer at this stage. Even Kussenburg seems to be getting a bit more "ballsy" in tone.

If anyone can rewind to the sky news press briefing at 10:30 they will see what i mean - the 11:30 was toned down rather significantly but the earlier review was decidedly anti irish - effective argument, no matter what is offered dublin will say no

im sure someone else can confirm this, il see if my sat box will rewind

prawnsambo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Customs have always been knocking about Kermit.

Don't know what to make of that photo...pretty sure there was a similar one on social media a while ago during some 'Ireland are about to be thrown under a bus' crisis.

Cars all had 192 D registrations in the 16k range. That would seem pretty recent to me.