The Reality of Life for Luna

Reviews and Books Galore

Yeah, I think it's been ruled that the father can have a say in the gender reasignation. Thank god, but I would be very nervous about the mother bringing the kid to Mexico for a few years imo.



Also, was there any outcry from the guardian or what have you over this? Imo, this whole situation is quite sickening at how close a boy was chemically castrated and emotionally forced* into body modificaiton.



*that is my understanding of the situation but there are arguments for and against.

suicide_circus

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Also, was there any outcry from the guardian or what have you over this? Imo, this whole situation is quite sickening at how close a boy was chemically castrated and emotionally forced* into body modificaiton.



*that is my understanding of the situation but there are arguments for and against.

organisations like the guardian have painted themselves into a corner. They are fully committed.

p1akuw47h5r3it

suicide_circus wrote: »

organisations like the guardian have painted themselves into a corner. They are fully committed.

The Guardian is one of the reasons I no longer consider myself leftwing. Still has good sports writing though.

suicide_circus

DanDan6592 wrote: »

The Guardian is one of the reasons I no longer consider myself leftwing. Still has good sports writing though.

Its a shame. Nowadays your either in favour of small children being subjected to hormonal manipulation or you are literally Hitler. Everything is binary. Nuance and shades of grey are a thing of the past.

Gynoid

suicide_circus wrote: »

Its a shame. Nowadays your either in favour of small children being subjected to hormonal manipulation or you are literally Hitler. Everything is binary. Nuance and shades of grey are a thing of the past.

Haha I saw someone write today that one is considered alt right nowaday unless prepared to cup the balls of Joseph Stalin

Outlaw Pete

The left today seem to think using children to further their political aims is perfectly fine for some reason and it's about time that society told them that it's not.

https://twitter.com/FogCityMidge/status/1188826960526483456

Quantum Erasure

“Supporting Trans People” toolkit, written by campaigners, formally endorsed

Three NHS trusts have endorsed a guide for transgender patients that approves puberty blockers and declares that anatomy “is not always a good guide” to determining a child’s sex.

The toolkit approved the use of puberty blockers on adolescents without explaining to medics that the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health and NHS England have both ordered national reviews into the ethics surrounding the rapid increase in the use of hormone blockers to treat under-16s who identify as transgender.

Calhoun

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

“Supporting Trans People” toolkit, written by campaigners, formally endorsed

Three NHS trusts have endorsed a guide for transgender patients that approves puberty blockers and declares that anatomy “is not always a good guide” to determining a child’s sex.

Be interesting to see how this goes over here.

BarnardsLoop

Ah, this is the thread I meant to post in...

Anyway, interesting to see so many re-branded homophobes using the same tired rhetoric, á la: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-LGBT_rhetoric#Conflation_with_child_abuse

Now we just need some of the usual sorts to oh-so innocently question why the suicide rate is so high, declare that it's a mental illness (with the obvious conclusion being we should ignore them), and... well, there's already plenty of the "they're LITERALLY forcing it on children" moral panic.

We've heard it all before, you know. The LGBT people opposed to LGBT rights being wheeled out as if they speak for all of us; the dismissal of us as mentally ill, or immoral, or child-abusers; that it's 'unnatural'; the list goes on...

And as I said elsewhere, it's funny how all this hate towards the T only took off in the last few years. It was always there but it very suddenly ramped up. Almost as if the Ls, Gs, and Bs being more accepted means homophobes have shifted to the next easy target.

Did Western society collapse after us gay people were accepted? Or when same-sex marriage was legalised? Did us fags and queers corrupt all your children and turn them into little homosexuals?

What's most amusing, though, is the absolute dogmatic insistence that medical experts are wrong. No, no, really, I'm sure you with your heaps of blogs filled with moralising diatribes completely disprove the scientific consensus on the matter!

We're going to look back on this, alright, but in the same way we look back on homosexuality being classified as a mental illness and gay people being subjected to torture to 'correct' us.

Calhoun

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Ah, this is the thread I meant to post in...

Anyway, interesting to see so many re-branded homophobes using the same tired rhetoric, á la: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-LGBT_rhetoric#Conflation_with_child_abuse

Now we just need some of the usual sorts to oh-so innocently question why the suicide rate is so high, declare that it's a mental illness (with the obvious conclusion being we should ignore them), and... well, there's already plenty of the "they're LITERALLY forcing it on children" moral panic.

We've heard it all before, you know. The LGBT people opposed to LGBT rights being wheeled out as if they speak for all of us; the dismissal of us as mentally ill, or immoral, or child-abusers; that it's 'unnatural'; the list goes on...

And as I said elsewhere, it's funny how all this hate towards the T only took off in the last few years. It was always there but it very suddenly ramped up. Almost as if the Ls, Gs, and Bs being more accepted means homophobes have shifted to the next easy target.

Did Western society collapse after us gay people were accepted? Or when same-sex marriage was legalised? Did us fags and queers corrupt all your children and turn them into little homosexuals?

What's most amusing, though, is the absolute dogmatic insistence that medical experts are wrong. No, no, really, I'm sure you with your heaps of blogs filled with moralising diatribes completely disprove the scientific consensus on the matter!

We're going to look back on this, alright, but in the same way we look back on homosexuality being classified as a mental illness and gay people being subjected to torture to 'correct' us.

Oh look a newly registered user, i wonder if serious or if trying to bait people. I would say the lack of reaction to your last post might be what got this one going.

Very interesting opening ironic we are talking about rhethoric for "homophobes" when the opener essentially does the same just with woke/identity politic rhetoric. Straight in with the labeling to discount people.

I would say the conflating with child abuse is not far off the mark as we have seen a number of cases where high profile individuals have done things that would go against good policy on child safety. You also have the likes of Yaniv who has not cast the community in a good light.

The forcing of children moral panic is linked with the above as you have individuals in the community advising children to seek out adults that they can "talk" to. Combine this with efforts to remove medical safeguards in place so transitioning can start before puberty then most people can understand why parents are concerned and why the label of child abuser gets thrown around.

I would speculate the reason that the Trans community get allot of hate at times is due to a couple of things. 1. Unlike most of the LGBT community only this part has any medical intervention from an early age with drugs that are potentially very dangerous, 2. the trans community itself has become allot more militant, we have seen cases where they have abused the support they have to cancel, silence people , bully or even in one very hard case rape people.

No western society did not collapse when we accepted gay people but they are still held to the same standard on child protection as anyone else.

It is amusing when people say medical experts are wrong but its a two way street and the jury is still out on the likes of the trans tool kit being deployed in the NHS.

We're going to look back on this, alright, but in the same way we look back on catholic church abusing society because they thought they had the god given authority to do so. We will have many victims left looking for answers.

BarnardsLoop

Well yeah, obviously I was looking for a reaction. Isn't that what most threads on this forum (and AH before it) are about, after all? People engaging in masturbatory rhetoric about how controversial and unpopular (but incredibly uncontroversial and popular on these forums) their opinions are?

I'm obviously not going to change any minds; having been on Boards in one incarnation or another for almost twenty years now and seeing the same names saying the same things about trans people instead of gay people, you're clearly not open to considering you're wrong. Or at least that you should get some new material.

or even in one very hard case rape people.

And so all trans people should be judged by that one case? And before you cry 'I didn't say that', that is exactly the point you're making: you're bringing it up as an example of why the trans community is hated, not that one person. Shall I take it, then, that guilt by association is fine with you, once it's against a group you don't like?

Calhoun

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Well yeah, obviously I was looking for a reaction. Isn't that what most threads on this forum (and AH before it) are about, after all? People engaging in masturbatory rhetoric about how controversial and unpopular (but incredibly uncontroversial and popular on these forums) their opinions are?

I'm obviously not going to change any minds; having been on Boards in one incarnation or another for almost twenty years now and seeing the same names saying the same things about trans people instead of gay people, you're clearly not open to considering you're wrong. Or at least that you should get some new material.



And so all trans people should be judged by that one case? And before you cry 'I didn't say that', that is exactly the point you're making: you're bringing it up as an example of why the trans community is hated, not that one person. Shall I take it, then, that guilt by association is fine with you, once it's against a group you don't like?

You wont change any minds because you don't want to, your post was ranting about the homophobes and using language that is basically translated into my way or the highway. Typical behavior from some of the more militant trans i have seen on this site. I have also seen people who have done great work the trans community and have engaged in conversation and id say changed some mind. Topics like the above are always going to be heated because it relates to children.

Of course im bringing it up, I don't agree with guilty by associate but your doing the same thing but just cannot see it, so turn about is fair play afterall. When you don't want to engage in any conversation and just resort to branding people as homophobes dont expect anyone to meet you half way.

If this is such a horrible place, why even post here? I am sure there is an echo chamber on the internet somewhere that will listen to you ranting.

BarnardsLoop

Tell me something: has major societal change ever come about without, as you adorably put it, 'my way or the highway' attitudes? The suffragettes, for example, did they achieve the right to vote by meekly sitting out of sight and never challenging anyone? Or by quietly suggesting compromise? What about the other parts of the LGBT community; did they secure equal rights by never speaking up? Or black people, primarily in the US?

The fact is that when you're comfortable with the status quo, of course people like you will demand anyone who suffers under it stay silent. You're happy! And what need you to care about anyone but yourself? It doesn't matter that these things don't impinge on you, or that people who actually know what they're talking about (like those pesky medical experts) disagree with you; you like the way things are and you're not willing to change them. If science disagrees with you, well, the science is just wrong or it's a left-wing conspiracy.

To some, even on this forum, it's 'Kulturbolschewismus' 'cultural marxism'. Oh, by the way, for those of you that don't know and may be curious: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism It's literally a conspiracy theory invented by the Nazis.

So please, please, forgive me if I'm being just a little bit cynical here. It's easy, I know, but it's even easier when you've been around long enough that you can smell bull**** from a mile away.

Typical behavior from some of the more militant trans i have seen on this site.

How predictable! I disagree with you so I must be trans. And please, don't insult my intelligence by claiming that wasn't what you were doing. As it happens I'm just a gay man who's been around long enough to know that most bigots just change their stripes. Once their hated group becomes socially unacceptable to target for abuse (or unacceptable enough for them), they just move onto the next easy mark.

I won't change minds because I've also been around long enough to spot people who don't want their minds changed. A good indicator is the kind of person who whinges about 'social justice warriors', for example. Doesn't really indicate that they're receptive to opposing views that challenge their worldview when they have to turn to childish insults like that against people who disagree with them.

Oh, and I haven't called anyone a homophobe, I've said you're using the same arguments homophobes did and do. Which you are. It's really not my fault if you're either a homophobe who's re-branded or you've just picked up their tired old arguments.

I am sure there is an echo chamber on the internet somewhere that will listen to you ranting.

Aww, diddums, what's wrong? Do you not like someone breaching your echo chamber and giving an opposing opinion?

Quantum Erasure

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

To some, even on this forum, it's 'Kulturbolschewismus' 'cultural marxism'. Oh, by the way, for those of you that don't know and may be curious: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism It's literally a conspiracy theory invented by the Nazis.

the Nazi's, a great socialist party

Calhoun

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

How predictable! I disagree with you so I must be trans. And please, don't insult my intelligence by claiming that wasn't what you were doing.

Aww, diddums, what's wrong? Do you not like someone breaching your echo chamber and giving an opposing opinion?

I am not really going to address any of what you have said as your not her to discuss but tell us why we are wrong. I have also been around long enough to know when we have those who are on self-righteous crusades who think that no matter what they are right.

I only assumed you are trans as i miss read one of the first parts of your posts. You were talking about the LGBT community not the trans one. So my mistake.

No of course not i welcome discussion, unlike yourself. Can barely control the rage because a part of your community is being questioned about its stance regarding to children.

BarnardsLoop

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

the Nazi's, a great socialist party

Ah, let me guess: you're the kind of person who thinks the DPRK and DRC are both democratic because they have 'Democratic' in their names, right?

After all, it's not as if there was any kind of purge of the socialist elements of the Nazi Party once they got to power, was there? Well yes, actually there was: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

Can barely control the rage

Think you might be projecting, chief. Something you'd like to share, perhaps?

Feisar

Eric Cartman wrote: »

theyre not reall though. A transgender 9 year old is like a vegan cat ..... its owner made the decision.

I know a vegetarian dog...

CinemaGuy45

Eric Cartman wrote: »

theyre not reall though. A transgender 9 year old is like a vegan cat ..... its owner made the decision.

Vile post that you can not back up.:mad:

Did you even ask any cats before you posted?:P

BarnardsLoop

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

And as I said elsewhere, it's funny how all this hate towards the T only took off in the last few years. It was always there but it very suddenly ramped up. Almost as if the Ls, Gs, and Bs being more accepted means homophobes have shifted to the next easy target.

It's what happens when you push the T agenda into the public eye. The demands for recognition and the enforcement of gender pronouns on people in general, is going to cause anger/resentment in society.

And you can be against this wave of Trans promotion without being a transphobe. This is one of the reasons why all "this hate" has appeared. Your attitude of labeling anyone with any concerns about the issue is automatically a Transphobe, and any criticism or resistance to transgender procedures is considered as hate. It's the extremism of it all.

Did Western society collapse after us gay people were accepted? Or when same-sex marriage was legalised? Did us fags and queers corrupt all your children and turn them into little homosexuals?

Us gay people still haven't been accepted, but we're tolerated enough, for the most part, that we can live our lives without persecution. And there are major differences between the gay movement and the T movement. Notably the amount of hostility generated by supporters of the T movement. Secondly, Gay people weren't advocating for young children to be gay... in most instances, gay people recommended a sense of support and understanding in people regarding those who thought themselves to be gay. Whereas, you're defending the surgical alteration of minors, when they're simply confused about their gender preferences, often brought about by the effects of social media or parenting.

What's most amusing, though, is the absolute dogmatic insistence that medical experts are wrong. No, no, really, I'm sure you with your heaps of blogs filled with moralising diatribes completely disprove the scientific consensus on the matter!

Medical & psychology experts have done a complete U-Turn numerous times in the last three decades regarding homosexuality, gender confusion, transgenderism, etc. It's hardly unreasonable to wait for more research to be done on the area before jumping forward to approve everything.

We're going to look back on this, alright, but in the same way we look back on homosexuality being classified as a mental illness and gay people being subjected to torture to 'correct' us.

Doubtful. I've been actively bisexual for almost 26 years now, and I seriously doubt that people will draw parallels between the Trans movement and the homosexuality movements. You might want to place them together for justification for your opinions, but I certainly wouldn't agree. Transgendered people are an extreme minority, compared with homosexuals, and even more so, compared with the overall population. Honestly, I suspect when we look back on this, we'll be wondering why we allowed so much BS to continue for so long. There is simply too much scope for physical and psychological damage when Transgender procedures are applied to minors.

I'm obviously not going to change any minds; having been on Boards in one incarnation or another for almost twenty years now and seeing the same names saying the same things about trans people instead of gay people, you're clearly not open to considering you're wrong. Or at least that you should get some new material.

Yup. Obviously. Because you're not trying to change any minds. You harp on about being gay, but you've learned none of the lessons gained from gaining rights and general tolerance of homosexuality in society. You're here to score imaginary points, and to raise the hackles of other people.

Honestly, your type of posting is probably doing more harm to the Trans movement towards acceptance than just about anything except twitter nutjobs.

The fact that you've had multiple accounts during a supposed 20 year period on boards, just reinforces that impression. I've had one account on boards and never been banned. Go figure.

BarnardsLoop

Deleted User wrote: »

It's what happens when you push the T agenda into the public eye. The demands for recognition and the enforcement of gender pronouns on people in general, is going to cause anger/resentment in society.

And you can be against this wave of Trans promotion without being a transphobe. This is one of the reasons why all "this hate" has appeared. Your attitude of labeling anyone with any concerns about the issue is automatically a Transphobe, and any criticism or resistance to transgender procedures is considered as hate. It's the extremism of it all.

Not really doing anything to disprove my point about 'using homophobic arguments'. People said the same thing about us, that if we just sat back and said and did nothing, there'd be no problem. Was the solution to homophobia to stop calling it what it was and is? Or was it to keep challenging it until society came to a point where opinion shifted?

Concerns over what? People said we were trying to turn children gay. They simply couldn't accept that people are born that way and that if children know they like the opposite sex at a young age, why can't gay children know they like the same sex?

Rights aren't secured by staying out of the public eye, after all. They never have been.

Us gay people still haven't been accepted, but we're tolerated enough, for the most part, that we can live our lives without persecution. And there are major differences between the gay movement and the T movement. Notably the amount of hostility generated by supporters of the T movement. Secondly, Gay people weren't advocating for young children to be gay... in most instances, gay people recommended a sense of support and understanding in people regarding those who thought themselves to be gay. Whereas, you're defending the surgical alteration of minors, when they're simply confused about their gender preferences, often brought about by the effects of social media or parenting.

Then tell me: why is it over the last few years that people within the LGBT community have started to get even louder about how the T should be separated from the rest? I know, it was always there, but just as this sudden tide of hatred in wider society rose, so too has rhetoric from within the LGBT community risen.

And I would say that you're only going by modern attitudes gay people have. It certainly wasn't always about quietly asking for support and understanding, and certainly isn't still.

Again, though, people said about us that we were 'confused' and were influenced by the media or social pressure or what have you. People said it was trendy or in vogue to be gay. That it was a choice and we should just choose to not be that way. The solution wasn't to pander to those views and pretend that their 'concerns' were reasonable or reasoned.

Medical & psychology experts have done a complete U-Turn numerous times in the last three decades regarding homosexuality, gender confusion, transgenderism, etc. It's hardly unreasonable to wait for more research to be done on the area before jumping forward to approve everything.

Sure, it's hardly unreasonable to acknowledge that science isn't dogma; people get upset that the consensus has changed but that's only because scientific consensus, by its nature, changes in response to new evidence.

What I'll still condemn is this selective scepticism over scientific advancements. How many of the people who take issue with the T, for example, take issue that scientific consensus regard other issues has changed and changes? It just seems a little convenient to only cry about it when it's clearly a pet issue that you're looking for any flimsy justification.

Doubtful. I've been actively bisexual for almost 26 years now, and I seriously doubt that people will draw parallels between the Trans movement and the homosexuality movements. You might want to place them together for justification for your opinions, but I certainly wouldn't agree. Transgendered people are an extreme minority, compared with homosexuals, and even more so, compared with the overall population. Honestly, I suspect when we look back on this, we'll be wondering why we allowed so much BS to continue for so long. There is simply too much scope for physical and psychological damage when Transgender procedures are applied to minors.

And I would say: what is your basis for saying that? The medical experts disagree, consensus is after all that transitioning is the best treatment.

Now you can be sceptical of that, sure, but I've yet to see scepticism around it that's rooted in reason rather than pre-existing prejudice towards trans people. If there are reasoned arguments, I've yet to see them.

Yup. Obviously. Because you're not trying to change any minds. You harp on about being gay, but you've learned none of the lessons gained from gaining rights and general tolerance of homosexuality in society.

Well as I said: were those rights gained by staying silent and doing nothing? By not upsetting people who're happy with the way things are presently?

Because it doesn't seem like I'm the one who's ignoring the lessons learned from increased acceptance of gay people.

Honestly, your type of posting is probably doing more harm to the Trans movement towards acceptance than just about anything except twitter nutjobs.

The fact that you've had multiple accounts during a supposed 20 year period on boards, just reinforces that impression. I've had one account on boards and never been banned. Go figure.

Yeah, look, I know this forum and AH before it are right-wing echo chambers. I know I'm not going to change any minds here because I've seen the culture shift only more rightwards over the years. And it has always been right-wingers, whose ideologies are predicated upon maintaining the status quo, that have most firmly stood in the way of progress like this.

How can I look at the ridicule and insults anyone with a left-wing opinion is met with on this forum and think I stand any chance of changing that? I'm certainly not so vain as to think I have the rhetorical skills to do so.

And I lost two accounts to two different hacks of the site in the past. Didn't have access to the email addresses connected to them. The rest, well, I'm sure you're familiar with the 'close account' feature.

I'm nothing if not a glutton for punishment so, when I inevitably close an account and remain sure I'm done with the site, I inevitably come back. Because I remember what it once was and hate to see it turned into what it is now. All that's left to do is kick the hornet's nest.

Oh well.

Calhoun

Didn't think we would see a case this fast, on the issue if the drugs being used.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8061949/amp/Woman-claims-rushed-taking-experimental-puberty-blocking-drugs.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK&__twitter_impression=true

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Ah, this is the thread I meant to post in...

Anyway, interesting to see so many re-branded homophobes using the same tired rhetoric, á la: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-LGBT_rhetoric#Conflation_with_child_abuse

Now we just need some of the usual sorts to oh-so innocently question why the suicide rate is so high, declare that it's a mental illness (with the obvious conclusion being we should ignore them), and... well, there's already plenty of the "they're LITERALLY forcing it on children" moral panic.

We've heard it all before, you know. The LGBT people opposed to LGBT rights being wheeled out as if they speak for all of us; the dismissal of us as mentally ill, or immoral, or child-abusers; that it's 'unnatural'; the list goes on...

And as I said elsewhere, it's funny how all this hate towards the T only took off in the last few years. It was always there but it very suddenly ramped up. Almost as if the Ls, Gs, and Bs being more accepted means homophobes have shifted to the next easy target.

Did Western society collapse after us gay people were accepted? Or when same-sex marriage was legalised? Did us fags and queers corrupt all your children and turn them into little homosexuals?

What's most amusing, though, is the absolute dogmatic insistence that medical experts are wrong. No, no, really, I'm sure you with your heaps of blogs filled with moralising diatribes completely disprove the scientific consensus on the matter!

We're going to look back on this, alright, but in the same way we look back on homosexuality being classified as a mental illness and gay people being subjected to torture to 'correct' us.

Let’s stop you right there. Pubertal blockers are used off-label for that use. That means that by their very definition, they have not gone through the rigorous testing required to have it approved as an indicated use. I DO have knowledge of getting drugs approved. The testing is dense and stringent. And here’s the thing - because it involves children, there’s no ethical way to test this. Children have been put forward for drug trials before eg. cancer drugs. But in those cases, there was nothing to lose as death was imminent.

The pubertal blocker most commonly used is a cancer drug that can reduce even grown men to wrecks. And there is some knowledge of the long-term damage done by girls given the drug to treat precocious puberty. I consider it a tragedy for even one child to be given pubertal blockers. People who say that they are fully reversible simply do not have the studies to back up that claim. And they might not have been forced. Nobody is saying that. That doesn’t make it less of a tragedy. You are hugely naive if you think that medical ethics isn’t something that needs to be monitored vigorously. I thought we had moved past the notion of doctors as gods. They are fallible, like us all.

piplip87

If a teenager wakes up in the morning, goes to the doctor and states the want to cut off an arm because they identify as an amputee they will rightly be directed towards mental health experts.

Whereas if the same teenager does the exact same thing except replace arm with penis and amputee with woman they are applauded and called brave and strong.

I find the Teams movement quite ridiculous and some parents, as the one mentioned in the OP,. Will use the trans label after birth to get the gender they wanted. Very easy to condition a boy to be a girl by the age of three.

There's no problem with a grown adult playing dress up it even transitioning but keep it away from children. Let children be children if they want to play with dolls or dress up let them. Just don't be telling them they are in the wrong body at three

keano_afc

Due to trans activism, can you spot how Edinburgh Science Festival has become more "inclusive"?

https://www.sciencefestival.co.uk/event-details/period-power

jam_mac_jam

keano_afc wrote: »

Due to trans activism, can you spot how Edinburgh Science Festival has become more "inclusive"?

https://www.sciencefestival.co.uk/event-details/period-power

Humans with uteruses.. can't even call us people.

Gynoid

"Only a man could have designed that." And then I realised with a wicked thrill that this was my first disparaging, womanly thought about the uselessness of men.....

This is a quote from David Thomas's transgender diary in the Telegraph this weekend.
One the one hand we have the truthspeak above of humans with uteruses instead of WOMAN, and on the other we have this caricature of performative feminity whereby making a messy buns, not getting your skirt caught up in your knickers, and having lady thoughts (the absolute mockery and belittlement of it!) makes one a real woman in the public toilet.

https://twitter.com/DebbieHayton/status/1234066267977535489?s=19

Debbie Hayton is a transwoman btw.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Humans with uteruses.. can't even call us people.

Hello, fellow uterus-haver!

Gynoid

"This is a claim brought by a man who has given birth to a child,” Hannah Markham QC, on behalf of Mr McConnell, told the court.

“In society, being a mother is a social construct and for a parent trying to move away from the terms [mother and father] because of their gender dysphoria, then that is an offence to their right to a private life, an offence to their being and identity.

“It’s not a minor inconvenience. It is not a trivial matter. It is significant."

Argued today in a court of appeal case in the UK on behalf of a transman who does not wish to be classed as a mother on their child's birth cert. The child to whom they gave birth. If won it would mean the child would be the first in the UK to legally have no mother.
The birth cert is a legal document belonging to the child.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/04/transgender-man-has-given-birth-begins-court-appeal-battle-not/amp/

Gynoid

In another episode of You Could Not Make This Sh1t Up If You Tried Forever, transactivists in Wyoming are protesting against an all-party bill that would outlaw FGM on minors, on the grounds that it imposes draconian limits on transgender youth...

https://www.womenarehuman.com/trans-activists-protest-bi-partisan-bill-to-protect-girls-from-barbaric-practice-of-female-genital-mutilation/

Tara Muir, Policy Director of the Wyoming Coalition Against Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault (WCADVSA) - also member of the Handy Acronym Club...nah, not really - says
"Wyoming cannot be the first state with such draconian limits on transgender people.”

Note, Anti FGM protestors are regularly targeted by trans rights activists because
"female genital mutilation” is transgender-exclusionary language, as not all people with vaginas are women, and not all women have vaginas. Jana Cornel, a black woman, was similarly told by Canadian politician Morgane Oger that the practice of FGM does not target females, as “nobody knows your sex except how you express it as gender.”

mazcon

Gynoid wrote: »

"This is a claim brought by a man who has given birth to a child,” Hannah Markham QC, on behalf of Mr McConnell, told the court.

“In society, being a mother is a social construct and for a parent trying to move away from the terms [mother and father] because of their gender dysphoria, then that is an offence to their right to a private life, an offence to their being and identity.

“It’s not a minor inconvenience. It is not a trivial matter. It is significant."

Argued today in a court of appeal case in the UK on behalf of a transman who does not wish to be classed as a mother on their child's birth cert. The child to whom they gave birth. If won it would mean the child would be the first in the UK to legally have no mother.
The birth cert is a legal document belonging to the child.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/04/transgender-man-has-given-birth-begins-court-appeal-battle-not/amp/

I would respectfully suggest that if one doesn't want to trigger one's dysphoria then it might be a plan to not do the most female of all biological processes, ie get pregnant and give birth. Just a thought....