The Strike is over. What happens now?

bogman_bass

Anyways back on topic:

Tipperary appears to be the latest battleground

https://mobile.twitter.com/Beefplan/status/1215736103656939526

MIKEKC

wrangler wrote: »

Convergence will be a gravy train for hill farmers, they're farming huge areas of land so if they get 200+/ha they'll be getting mega money.
Not surprising if they're openly supporting Convergence

Agree completely .This has been happening in the present round and looks as if it will continue

MIKEKC

Water John wrote: »

Fair bid of mud slinging going on here. Ye'd put the Galway BPM lads and lassies to shame.

And that would take some doing

ruwithme

bogman_bass wrote: »

Anyways back on topic:

Tipperary appears to be the latest battleground

https://mobile.twitter.com/Beefplan/status/1215736103656939526

What's the trouble in the beef plan? fighting over the direction of travel in time ahead?

MIKEKC

MIKEKC wrote: »

And that would take some doing

Looks like Galway has been outdone by the carry on in Tipperary tonight

bogman_bass

My understanding is that some of the more militant members enjoyed their 15minutes of game during the protests and have been attempting a takeover

eire23

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

The French have floated an idea for future restructuring of sfp. They have proposed that they should be based on environmental work and a function of labor units employed in the business.

I do think it would be fair, once not abused by extensive mountain or bog acres, and only for productive land.

Bit of a smart comment? Since when does mountain acres not classify as productive land? I'm at home farming full time, I probably would be classified as a hill farmer..although I also own lowland. Yes I stock the mountain, its kept stocked, sheep come down to lamb and back up then once done. Finish all my lambs, do ya think this all happens by itself?would know a couple other lads my age farming mountain as well. Can't see why we should be penalised when it's being genuinely farmed.

MIKEKC

Jjameson wrote: »

The beef plan never really figured at all here. Most of the protesters including myself never attended a meeting. Most of us are actually ifa members. The softly softly half arsed supplier blockade in the first two weeks was because of beef plans fear of litigation. It needed a full blockade from day one for any result and a quicker impact/conclusion. They were too suckler focused for my liking also.

The only result I saw was 100,000 cattle held up most going overage, costing farmers a lot of money

MIKEKC

Jjameson wrote: »

Where has this glut gone? There’s no waiting now and the national sure as hell didn’t rise at all. And had this glut been there why do you suppose Larry didn’t drive the knife in and fall the price 20 or 30 cent when there was such supposed desperation to sell. Eamonn moulds procurement manager Slaney meats was chest out predicticting 3.00 a kg and a possibility of less by Christmas pre strike. The best recruitment officer in the county.

The glut wasn't cleared until a few weeks before xmas. Anyone reading boards would know how hard it was to get cattle killed. Here we were getting a few away every few weeks. Had 50 gone overage. Don't proqurment officers always talk down the price?.The strike and the thuggery that went on only strengthened the resolve of the factories.

Water John

A largely, mythical glut, became a self reinforcing stampede.

Panch18

Water John wrote: »

A largely, mythical glut, became a self reinforcing stampede.

Nothing mythical about it

There were loads of farmers around here who were waiting weeks on end to get cattle killed, with loads of cattle going overage, and the costs associated with keeping big cattle for longer and not able to buy back the replacements.

A catastrophe if ever there was one, and to try to brush it under the carpet as “mythical” is a shocking and disgraceful statement to make

Panch18

Jjameson wrote: »

100000 cattle you claim. Where have they gone?

Where do you think they’ve gone?? Seriously, have a word with yourself

Water John

The system being used, esp with the 30 month rule means farmers are finishing to a specific deadline and get penalised if they over shoot. That's what created the mythical glut. Farmers couldn't hold back cattle because of the 30 month rule. They lost a trump card in negotiating.

Panch18

How you guys can still post this **** is beyond me, pure beyond me

I don’t know what planet ye are living on

MIKEKC

Jjameson wrote: »

100000 cattle you claim. Where have they gone? The resolve of the industry was fear of setting a precedent that would have strikes every week and erode 8 families from the top 100 rich list.

They have
gone through the system slowly. Are you in the real world? Who do you think would suffer most if there was a strike every week? Farmers would have a build up of stock and no income Who do you think could hold out the longest, the farmer with no income and extra expense of feeding the cattle or the people from the top 100 rich list. I am beginning to think that you are just stirring sh1t. You can't be serious after all that was written about strike

MIKEKC

Water John wrote: »

The system being used, esp with the 30 month rule means farmers are finishing to a specific deadline and get penalised if they over shoot. That's what created the mythical glut. Farmers couldn't hold back cattle because of the 30 month rule. They lost a trump card in negotiating.

You mean farmers couldnt GET RID of cattle, that's why they went overage

MIKEKC

Jjameson wrote: »

show me the numbers.

How do you think I could show you the numbers? It was reported in the press on several occasions. Can you prove to me that there wasn't a glut. As I said previously several posters said they had difficulty getting cattle killed.

Bass Reeves

MIKEKC wrote: »

The glut wasn't cleared until a few weeks before xmas. Anyone reading boards would know how hard it was to get cattle killed. Here we were getting a few away every few weeks. Had 50 gone overage. Don't proqurment officers always talk down the price?.The strike and the thuggery that went on only strengthened the resolve of the factories.

Panch18 wrote: »

Nothing mythical about it

There were loads of farmers around here who were waiting weeks on end to get cattle killed, with loads of cattle going overage, and the costs associated with keeping big cattle for longer and not able to buy back the replacements.

A catastrophe if ever there was one, and to try to brush it under the carpet as “mythical” is a shocking and disgraceful statement to make

Yes there was a small glut. However it was exasperated by the very bad weather from September. Most lads that had an issue killing cattle had cattle gone over 30 months and generally had a high percentage of these. Other lads that had issues had no regular factory.

In general I deal with two factories. Both within a reasonable distance. The percentage of overage cattle I had when the strike ended was 15% of the total remaining. I had about 50% of this years kill to complete. I had a nitrates issue to watch as well.

As most of the cattle I had were May/June agent would not take any for first few week. I housed about 40% of them in Mid September when I realized the issues and another 20% 2-3 weeks later. When I started getting cattle away I made sure an overage animal went in every box load. If not for nitrates and lack of silage I have hung tough longer.

Some finishers got greedy they started picking up cheap very forward stores in the Marts in September/October. Some got caught with these from late November on as factories were not slaughtering from restricted herds.

I have much preferred to have gone through what I went through than to have being taking 3-3.3/kg base(and only 12c QA) all autumn long.

Larger short term finishers do not give a F@@K as long as they buy and sell in the 70-100 day period. These were the guys hardest hit. They were also the lads getting the extra 20c/kg before the strike. What goes around come's around. They got a taste of the medicine we were getting for the last 12 months and they did not like it.

If they had stood with the strike fron the start it would have lasted no longer than 3-4 weeks but they wanted to break it so they took pain as well at the end

Bass Reeves

Jjameson wrote: »

The first of the strike was useless Bass. when the plants were short of live cattle they contracted killing to the independent plants and brought them in in fridges hanging up. Then stopping and clearing gates for protracted talks was the second mistake. The impact wasn’t felt at retail. Had it been a ifa supported blockade. The first in 20 years with numbers behind it, Larry would have had to talk. The impact of the full blockade in slaney was immediate, they were in disbelief actually! Just too late in the year. I was against it at that point to be honest as the opportunity had been missed.
But lessons have been learned.

I have said since the end of the strike the reason it was so prolonged was the issue. but that was not the strikers problem. The status quo was against it. When the first strike ended the processor missread the mood and taught they could go back to normal. Both time it took 10-14 days to get the blockade in full swing.As well lifting the blockades after the first strike was a mistake and I kenw that at the time. I knew we would be at the gates again.

There was a lot of black propaganda and as the Donald says fake news by well trained PR people. It is still flying around. But next time factories will be closed faster and lads will not stop picketing untill after all negotiations have been settled

bogman_bass

Jjameson wrote: »

100000 cattle you claim. Where have they gone? The resolve of the industry was fear of setting a precedent that would have strikes every week and erode 8 families from the top 100 rich list.

The kill has been up near 40,000 per week since the blockade ended. That’s where they have gone

Bass Reeves

bogman_bass wrote: »

The kill has been up near 40,000 per week since the blockade ended. That’s where they have gone

The 2019 kill was 60K behind the 2020. The reason the kill has dropped is nothing to do with the surplus being gone. Rather it is because of the way lads that finished young bulls got it up there nether regions last year they have exited from winter finishing this year.

This trend will continue. From July/August last year it was obvious there was no demand for 18-20 month old store Fr bulls. As well lads with better quality bulls have squeezed them It is not possible to winter finish cattle with present costs with at a base price of less than 4.2/kg unless there is a store or suckler man taking a massive hit.

In a way the processor knew there would be this issue so they stretched out supplies as long as they could. They would have done that anyway.

Just as an add on 4-5 years ago I in general exited winter finishing and said I would never winter finish cattle unless processors were giving gauranteed prices in general i have held to that. Throwing ration into cattle for processors benefit is brain dead

wrangler

Jjameson wrote: »

The weekly kill is roughly in line with same period 12 months ago. Nothing extraordinary. The kill was the same level behind 2018 last week as it was at the end of the strike. That 100000 figure was plucked from Adam Woods nether region for an ifa influenced newspaper to cause maximum rift between farmers. They will be pulled up on it yet.

Another sad post, it was MII and Kepak that claimed that 100000 backog was there.
Whether it was there or not, they had the opportunity to use it against the farmers because of the protests.
Processors in the mean time carried on same as usual

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/beef/beef-prices/kepak-says-100000hd-backlog-of-cattle-in-market-will-take-months-to-clear-38512012.html

wrangler

Jjameson wrote: »

Abusive post. It would be up to ifa and the ifa to use the data available from bord bia and the CMms before reporting and spurious claim by mii or a processor.
Sad is a retired sheep farmer ranting and raving about a glut of cattle but yet claiming indifference.

The whole thing was such a mess that IFA were right to stay out of it
There was 100000 less cattle killed during the protest than the same few weeks in 2018. IFJ did report that.
That was enough ammunition for the factories to mess with supply and blame the farmers

MIKEKC

Jjameson wrote: »

They were falling them 5 cent a week pre strike using Brexit as an excuse. I firmly believe they would have achieved their aim and have got them sub 3.00 a kg base thereby dragging uk farmers into the gutter with us. Ifa inaction caused the rise of the crazy splinter groups. But the actions to try a justify their inaction and the bluster about the non existent glut was cowardly and again shows how they are happy enough to watch farmers go down the slipway as long as bluebells accounts are in the black. A retired sheep farmer who posted more about the glut than any other poster in defence of ifa. Sad.

Despite all the evidence that there was a glut why do you continue to talk about the " non existent glut" ? You have so far failed to convince anyone here with your points

wrangler

Jjameson wrote: »

They were falling them 5 cent a week pre strike using Brexit as an excuse. I firmly believe they would have achieved their aim and have got them sub 3.00 a kg base thereby dragging uk farmers into the gutter with us. Ifa inaction caused the rise of the crazy splinter groups. But the actions to try a justify their inaction and the bluster about the non existent glut was cowardly and again shows how they are happy enough to watch farmers go down the slipway as long as bluebells accounts are in the black. A retired sheep farmer who posted more about the glut than any other poster in defence of ifa. Sad.

Can you not see that there's nothing to be achieved by protest, I said at the start they'd get nothing, you can say that price was heading for €3, I can say that beef would be dearer now....... look at the lamb trade, up a euro since cattle were supposed to be heading for €3.
Processors have to discourage farmers from selling all their lambs/cattle in the autumn at the handy time of the year, how else are they going to do it only floor the price

ganmo

Jjameson wrote: »

It was non existent because cattle are now booked in and killed without delay. At the end of the strike the strike was reported as 60000 cattle by the ifa. The ifa and posters such as paunch, wrangler and yourself. That figure is still the same today based o year on year kill. No exports or extraordinary weekly kills. The figures don’t lie. Just ifa stalwarts. A 33 month Charolais r grade steer 810 kg made 1840 today. Lucky all farmers aren’t sheep who believe everything the read and throw cattle at factories and be galas their gone because of the “backlog”.

What happened I reckon is that people decided to either not buy animals to feed or delay starting to finish them. Meaning the backlog is no longer at the factory but in farmers sheds.

Have a look at the figures, the calf births from 2 and 3 years ago. Then look at last years kill vs this years

greysides

Folks, the war is over, the is only the after-action report. Keep the personal stuff out of the discussion as we don't need casualties at this stage. Thanks.

DBK1

Jjameson wrote: »

Dress it up whatever way pleases you, the ranters of 60000 plus fit cattle backed up were played like mouse by a cat. It isnt true. The was problems getting cattle killed for non uk retail spec because the calendar and and a slight surpass of fit cattle for a few weeks combined with the calendar having spring born stock coming 30 months.

The figures show increased calf exports in 18, increased bull export, and increased young bull kill in 19. Heifer kill was well up in 19 on 18 levels. Cow kill is well down which is attributed to a more orderly disposal due to normal weather.

Jjameson you’re wasting your time. The only phrase that comes to mind is “there are none so blind as those who will not see”. If the lads that are arguing with you put the same time and effort into supporting the protest when it first started it would have been over within 2 or 3 weeks and would have had much better results. And any of them that are complaining about getting cattle away need to either have a serious chat with their factory agent or, more so, a serious chat with themselves. I’m in the midlands and me or any of my neighbours had no issues getting cattle in to be killed, we just shopped around. I even got overage non QA white head and friesian bullocks killed for an uncle of mine who never sends cattle to the factory. Anyone that says they couldn’t get cattle in must be being far to loyal to the one factory and haven’t realised yet that them factories don’t care about them. The glut was never as big as claimed and the gullible lads that believed that are the ones that were left with their stock in sheds.

The next argument they will give you is that there were no finishers at the protest as the finishers didn’t want a protest and it was only lads with nothing to lose that were there. That again couldn’t be further from the truth for a number of reasons. Firstly at the protest in Kilbeggan there were plenty of finishers there so they were supporting it. The reason some finishers didn’t want it is they were getting their extra few cent and were afraid to lose that. But most importantly the price in the factories is not as important to finishers as it is to the man with the cows. When the price drops in the factory the finishers pay less to the store men so their margin doesn’t drop too much but it’s the store man or suckler man selling his weanlings that has to take the hit. The finishers that were at the protests were there to support the suckler and store men as much as they were to try get a small lift in their own margins.

And just to clarify I have no cows and buy in stock from marts down in the south of the country and finish them so I am not a suckler man complaining about my own situation.

ganmo

Jjameson wrote: »

Dress it up whatever way pleases you, the ranters of 60000 plus fit cattle backed up were played like mouse by a cat. It isnt true. The was problems getting cattle killed for non uk retail spec because the calendar and and a slight surpass of fit cattle for a few weeks combined with the calendar having spring born stock coming 30 months.

The figures show increased calf exports in 18, increased bull export, and increased young bull kill in 19. Heifer kill was well up in 19 on 18 levels. Cow kill is well down which is attributed to a more orderly disposal due to normal weather.

When I'm at a computer I'll run the numbers.
But what you mightnt realise is that I've no horse in this race, I do care about the truth though.

Jb1989

DBK1 wrote: »

Jjameson you’re wasting your time. The only phrase that comes to mind is “there are none so blind as those who will not see”. If the lads that are arguing with you put the same time and effort into supporting the protest when it first started it would have been over within 2 or 3 weeks and would have had much better results. And any of them that are complaining about getting cattle away need to either have a serious chat with their factory agent or, more so, a serious chat with themselves. I’m in the midlands and me or any of my neighbours had no issues getting cattle in to be killed, we just shopped around. I even got overage non QA white head and friesian bullocks killed for an uncle of mine who never sends cattle to the factory. Anyone that says they couldn’t get cattle in must be being far to loyal to the one factory and haven’t realised yet that them factories don’t care about them. The glut was never as big as claimed and the gullible lads that believed that are the ones that were left with their stock in sheds.

The next argument they will give you is that there were no finishers at the protest as the finishers didn’t want a protest and it was only lads with nothing to lose that were there. That again couldn’t be further from the truth for a number of reasons. Firstly at the protest in Kilbeggan there were plenty of finishers there so they were supporting it. The reason some finishers didn’t want it is they were getting their extra few cent and were afraid to lose that. But most importantly the price in the factories is not as important to finishers as it is to the man with the cows. When the price drops in the factory the finishers pay less to the store men so their margin doesn’t drop too much but it’s the store man or suckler man selling his weanlings that has to take the hit. The finishers that were at the protests were there to support the suckler and store men as much as they were to try get a small lift in their own margins.

And just to clarify I have no cows and buy in stock from marts down in the south of the country and finish them so I am not a suckler man complaining about my own situation.

+1

wrangler

ganmo wrote: »

What happened I reckon is that people decided to either not buy animals to feed or delay starting to finish them. Meaning the backlog is no longer at the factory but in farmers sheds.

Have a look at the figures, the calf births from 2 and 3 years ago. Then look at last years kill vs this years

surely teh cattle throughput in the last three months of 2019 and 2018 would confirm whether there was a backlog,
Saying the two years throughput are the same means very little, the fact that there was 100000 less slaughtered in the autumn meant that supplies were higher at other times, so unless there's proper figures available for every month we could be arguing all night.
I have no horse in the race either and wouldn't have bothered but for the conspiracy theory that jameson reported claiming that IFJ dreamt up the 100000 to annoy farmers.
It's amazing that IFJ iis so successful and doing so well with the opinion of the experts on here, like Ear to the Ground it's obviously for a different audience

Sheep breeder

DBK1 wrote: »

Jjameson you’re wasting your time. The only phrase that comes to mind is “there are none so blind as those who will not see”. If the lads that are arguing with you put the same time and effort into supporting the protest when it first started it would have been over within 2 or 3 weeks and would have had much better results. And any of them that are complaining about getting cattle away need to either have a serious chat with their factory agent or, more so, a serious chat with themselves. I’m in the midlands and me or any of my neighbours had no issues getting cattle in to be killed, we just shopped around. I even got overage non QA white head and friesian bullocks killed for an uncle of mine who never sends cattle to the factory. Anyone that says they couldn’t get cattle in must be being far to loyal to the one factory and haven’t realised yet that them factories don’t care about them. The glut was never as big as claimed and the gullible lads that believed that are the ones that were left with their stock in sheds.

The next argument they will give you is that there were no finishers at the protest as the finishers didn’t want a protest and it was only lads with nothing to lose that were there. That again couldn’t be further from the truth for a number of reasons. Firstly at the protest in Kilbeggan there were plenty of finishers there so they were supporting it. The reason some finishers didn’t want it is they were getting their extra few cent and were afraid to lose that. But most importantly the price in the factories is not as important to finishers as it is to the man with the cows. When the price drops in the factory the finishers pay less to the store men so their margin doesn’t drop too much but it’s the store man or suckler man selling his weanlings that has to take the hit. The finishers that were at the protests were there to support the suckler and store men as much as they were to try get a small lift in their own margins.

And just to clarify I have no cows and buy in stock from marts down in the south of the country and finish them so I am not a suckler man complaining about my own situation.

Good post and well put from a beef man and not a retired ifa axe to grind.

ganmo

wrangler wrote: »

surely teh cattle throughput in the last three months of 2019 and 2018 would confirm whether there was a backlog,
Saying the two years throughput are the same means very little, the fact that there was 100000 less slaughtered in the autumn meant that supplies were higher at other times, so unless there's proper figures available for every month we could be arguing all night.
I have no horse in the race either and wouldn't have bothered but for the conspiracy theory that jameson reported claiming that IFJ dreamt up the 100000 to annoy farmers.
It's amazing that IFJ iis so successful and doing so well with the opinion of the experts on here, like Ear to the Ground it's obviously for a different audience

I'm assuming bord bia have the throughput like they do for sheep

wrangler

ganmo wrote: »

I'm assuming bord bia have the throughput like they do for sheep

I couldn't find it anyway,

wrangler

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Good post and well put from a beef man and not a retired ifa axe to grind.

How do you condone farmers stopping farmers delivering to Kilbeggan and at the same time delivering own cattle themselves to moyvalley and elsewhere.........double standards maybe
Very little problem round here getting cattle killed as we had two other factories available with no blockades

Base price

ganmo wrote: »

I'm assuming bord bia have the throughput like they do for sheep

wrangler wrote: »

I couldn't find it anyway,

DAFM publish the figures by category of animal. To be honest I too tired to work through/compare the weekly slaughter figures year on year.

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmingsectors/weeklypricesslaughterfigures/beefkillfiguresweeklyreports/2019/

wrangler

Base price wrote: »

DAFM publish the figures by category of animal. To be honest I too tired to work through/compare the weekly slaughter figures year on year.

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmingsectors/weeklypricesslaughterfigures/beefkillfiguresweeklyreports/2019/

thanks, too late now might get the calculator tomorrow
Drinking Paddy now, not my favourite but a christmas pressie

Panch18

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I have said since the end of the strike the reason it was so prolonged was the issue. but that was not the strikers problem. The status quo was against it. When the first strike ended the processor missread the mood and taught they could go back to normal. Both time it took 10-14 days to get the blockade in full swing.As well lifting the blockades after the first strike was a mistake and I kenw that at the time. I knew we would be at the gates again.

There was a lot of black propaganda and as the Donald says fake news by well trained PR people. It is still flying around. But next time factories will be closed faster and lads will not stop picketing untill after all negotiations have been settled

There won’t be a next time and you’re deluded to think so

Beef plan has shown over the last few weeks and months for the cluster**** that it is. That’s all it is, an absolute cluster****.

Farmers won’t be stopping sending cattle next time a few clowns stand outside the factory gates

Panch18

Jjameson wrote: »

They were falling them 5 cent a week pre strike using Brexit as an excuse. I firmly believe they would have achieved their aim and have got them sub 3.00 a kg base thereby dragging uk farmers into the gutter with us. Ifa inaction caused the rise of the crazy splinter groups. But the actions to try a justify their inaction and the bluster about the non existent glut was cowardly and again shows how they are happy enough to watch farmers go down the slipway as long as bluebells accounts are in the black. A retired sheep farmer who posted more about the glut than any other poster in defence of ifa. Sad.

Again this is just wrong

Cattle prices were rising across European as the clowns started at the gates.

The pickets allowed the factories to keep the prices low as they knew they had a load of farmers by the balls with cattle to kill and the weather getting worse by the day

We had no chance of getting a price rise once the pockets had happened

DBK1

wrangler wrote: »

How do you condone farmers stopping farmers delivering to Kilbeggan and at the same time delivering own cattle themselves to moyvalley and elsewhere.........double standards maybe
Very little problem round here getting cattle killed as we had two other factories available with no blockades

There were a lot of men (somewhere between 30 and 40)from my parish at the protest and not 1 of them was sending cattle to any other factory. I think that story might be a fairy tale that someone spun you to suit their own agenda and you fell for it.

Panch18

Jjameson wrote: »

The weekly kill is roughly in line with same period 12 months ago. Nothing extraordinary. The kill was the same level behind 2018 last week as it was at the end of the strike. That 100000 figure was plucked from Adam Woods nether region for an ifa influenced newspaper to cause maximum rift between farmers. They will be pulled up on it yet.

Are you actually denying that loads of farmers up and down the country had problems killing cattle for weeks and months on end??

DBK1

Panch18 wrote: »

Again this is just wrong

Cattle prices were rising across European as the clowns started at the gates.

The pickets allowed the factories to keep the prices low as they knew they had a load of farmers by the balls with cattle to kill and the weather getting worse by the day

We had no chance of getting a price rise once the pockets had happened

I’m afraid Panch you are the one that’s wrong there. I have a neighbour and good friend who is a factory agent and prices were dropping and dropping fast. The procurement managers were determined to get them as close to €3 as possible. If you don’t want to take my word for it ask your own agent, although if, as you’ve stated on here before, you had cattle you couldn’t get killed after the strike then the best advice I can give you is talk to a different agent. Your own agent is obviously not looking after you and it’s possible he played you for a fool and won. The glut was nowhere near the numbers claimed so maybe if you went to a different agent or factory for a while you’d get a lot more respect for it from your own agent and you wouldn’t be over looked like that in the future.

Panch18

DBK1 wrote: »

I’m afraid Panch you are the one that’s wrong there. I have a neighbour and good friend who is a factory agent and prices were dropping and dropping fast. The procurement managers were determined to get them as close to €3 as possible. If you don’t want to take my word for it ask your own agent, although if, as you’ve stated on here before, you had cattle you couldn’t get killed after the strike then the best advice I can give you is talk to a different agent. Your own agent is obviously not looking after you and it’s possible he played you for a fool and won. The glut was nowhere near the numbers claimed so maybe if you went to a different agent or factory for a while you’d get a lot more respect for it from your own agent and you wouldn’t be over looked like that in the future.

My friends friends dog told my late aunt that prices were heading for 3 euro

Absolute bull****

We deal with 3 or 4 factories every year and regularly send them a few hundred miles away

So don’t give me this crap about dealing with a different agent alright

wrangler

DBK1 wrote: »

There were a lot of men (somewhere between 30 and 40)from my parish at the protest and not 1 of them was sending cattle to any other factory. I think that story might be a fairy tale that someone spun you to suit their own agenda and you fell for it.

,

You fell for it is nearer the truth......local factories were flooded with cattle at the time.

DBK1

wrangler wrote: »

,

You fell for it is nearer the truth......local factories were flooded with cattle at the time.

I don’t disagree that they were flooded with cattle but it wasn’t from the men standing at the gates.

kk.man

Panch18 wrote: »

My friends friends dog told my late aunt that prices were heading for 3 euro

Absolute bull****

We deal with 3 or 4 factories every year and regularly send them a few hundred miles away

So don’t give me this crap about dealing with a different agent alright

Before either strike A procurement manager told me face to face that 3 euro was their goal.

wrangler

Jjameson wrote: »

For those that can’t decipher here it is again.

To be fair, with what you achieved, would you d it again, I can't understand the criticism of those that didn't take part even though nothing was achieved.
A lot knew it was pointless, been there, got the Tshirt
Processors won't be be bullied

Base price

wrangler wrote: »

thanks, too late now might get the calculator tomorrow
Drinking Paddy now, not my favourite but a christmas pressie

You have to click on each of the 52 weeks to open the weekly report in a Excel format. It's too much effort for me as I couldn't be bothered. I'm sick to the teeth with the Beef Plan movement and their cohorts the independent farmers, individual farmers, et al.
At the time I said the blockade was a cluster **** and nothing since then has changed my opinion.

DBK1

Panch18 wrote: »

My friends friends dog told my late aunt that prices were heading for 3 euro

Absolute bull****

We deal with 3 or 4 factories every year and regularly send them a few hundred miles away

So don’t give me this crap about dealing with a different agent alright

Well if your listening to what a dog tells you then that’s probably a lot of your problem. And as I said, don’t take my word for it ask your own agents and ask them for an honest answer. If you got it that hard to get stock away then there’s something wrong with either your agent or the type of stock your keeping. I had anything from 21 month old continental heifers to a 40 month old friesian bullock killed in the weeks after the protest. The longest wait I had was about 2 weeks and that was for the overage non QA friesans and whiteheads i mentioned earlier and I’d expect that long of a wait for them type of stock on any day of the year with no protests.

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Jjameson wrote: »

Wonderful articulate response. And likely the expletives refer to your own bluster! Where is the enormous backlog glut of fat cattle gone? Enlighten us.

How many cattle were killed in the 4 or 5 weeks that the blockades were going on? And compared to 2018?

Post the numbers here and tell us where those cattle “disappeared” to