President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

ohnonotgmail

kilns wrote: »

Correct he has damaged his own brand all by himself nothing to do with being President.

Indeed. all being president has done is made more people aware of what he is really like.

notobtuse

LOL. I see no answers to back up the absurd accusations against Trump, and now just moving the goalposts. Typical. what other explanation is there besides TDS?

ohnonotgmail

notobtuse wrote: »

LOL. I see no answers to back up the absurd accusations against Trump, and now just moving the goalposts. Typical. what other explanation is there besides TDS?

you dont believe that trump is widely disliked?

kilns

notobtuse wrote: »

LOL. I see no answers to back up the absurd accusations against Trump, and now just moving the goalposts. Typical. what other explanation is there besides TDS?

Dam I am biting So explain how in 2015 revenue from Trumps hotels and resorts was USD16.7m, in 2016 nearly doubled to 33.8 million in election year 2016 and in 2017 jumped up to USD 60.8 million

Coincidence that government use sky rocketed there or just a genius business man ?

As soon as he was elected membership of Mar Lago doubled to 200k and conviently 71 government contractors and lobbiests took up membership and only golf when he is there.

in 2017 70% of purchases in Trump Tower were by LLCs and as I am sure everyone knows you dont know the entity of LLCs, so I wonder who is hiding being them

notobtuse

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you dont believe that trump is widely disliked?

We've finally found common ground. There is no doubt whatsoever Trump is widely disliked. As of 2019, 28% of Americans identified as Democrat, 28% identified as Republican, and 41% as Independent. Therefore there is no doubt around 25% of the voting population dislikes him.

ohnonotgmail

notobtuse wrote: »

We've finally found common ground. There is no doubt whatsoever Trump is widely disliked. As of 2019, 28% of Americans identified as Democrat, 28% identified as Republican, and 41% as Independent. Therefore there is no doubt around 25% of the voting population dislikes him.

i'm not sure the 28% of republicans and the 41% independent are that fond of him either.

notobtuse

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i'm not sure the 28% of republicans and the 41% independent are that fond of him either.

I'm sure some aren't. And some democrats are fond of him. Recently Trump spoke in New Jersey (solid blue state). Over 100,000 tickets were sought after for a venue that only held around 7,400. The interesting thing is 26% of them identified as democrats.

ohnonotgmail

notobtuse wrote: »

I'm sure some aren't. And some democrats are fond of him. Recently Trump spoke in New Jersey (solid blue state). Over 100,000 tickets were sought after for a venue that only held around 7,400. The interesting thing is 26% of them identified as democrats.

have you seen his crowds? they dont look the type to go to expensive hotels.

kilns

notobtuse wrote: »

I'm sure some aren't. And some democrats are fond of him. Recently Trump spoke in New Jersey (solid blue state). Over 100,000 tickets were sought after for a venue that only held around 7,400. The interesting thing is 26% of them identified as democrats.

Is there proof of the sales or just the word of Trump/Brad Parscale............

notobtuse

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

have you seen his crowds? they dont look the type to go to expensive hotels.

I've had lunch at a hotel of his in Washington, DC with my daughter. I tried getting tickets to his rally in Hershey, PA but didn't luck out.... Maybe next time he's in the area I will have better luck.

Igotadose

And, perhaps I'm not following this - a President who refused to divest himself of his businesses, is perhaps doing poorly as a result of his policies (note that how he communicates with the public, is obviously policy). And, we're supposed to be sympathetic? Should his priority be public service (the job he was elected to), or running his businesses profitably? Maybe a different communication policy would have different results?

Sorry, kind of hard to build any sympathy here. This was bound to be a problem when he ignored the emoluments clause. People still have free choice in the US, not subsidizing Trump's businesses, most of which fail, is their choice.

notobtuse

Igotadose wrote: »

And, perhaps I'm not following this - a President who refused to divest himself of his businesses, is perhaps doing poorly as a result of his policies (note that how he communicates with the public, is obviously policy). And, we're supposed to be sympathetic? Should his priority be public service (the job he was elected to), or running his businesses profitably? Maybe a different communication policy would have different results?

Sorry, kind of hard to build any sympathy here. This was bound to be a problem when he ignored the emoluments clause. People still have free choice in the US, not subsidizing Trump's businesses, most of which fail, is their choice.

Sorry, but a Federal Court of Appeals just tossed out the Democrats' emoluments lawsuit against Trump.

Igotadose

notobtuse wrote: »

Sorry, but a Federal Court of Appeals just tossed out the Democrats' emoluments lawsuit against Trump.

Shame they needed to take him to court, eh? There are 2 other suits going. Again, emoluments violations are secondary - Trump's policy was to not divest himself of his businesses, and now, you're looking for sympathy for him because his policy has alienated enough customers that he may (again, no tax returns, so we're just speculating) be losing money as a result. Crocodile tears seem applicable.

kilns

notobtuse wrote: »

Sorry, but a Federal Court of Appeals just tossed out the Democrats' emoluments lawsuit against Trump.

Just to be clear that law suit was specifically for receiving benefits from foreign governments. It did not cover his abuse of using mar a lago, doonbeg, turnberry, Doral, etc etc

Boggles

notobtuse wrote: »

I'm sure some aren't. And some democrats are fond of him. Recently Trump spoke in New Jersey (solid blue state). Over 100,000 tickets were sought after for a venue that only held around 7,400. The interesting thing is 26% of them identified as democrats.

Really? And there is tangible proof of this.

Trump also claimed to have watched 1000s of people cheering the 9/11 attacks in New Jersey.

Why does everything has to be so bigly. Even the lies.

notobtuse

Igotadose wrote: »

And, perhaps I'm not following this - a President who refused to divest himself of his businesses, is perhaps doing poorly as a result of his policies (note that how he communicates with the public, is obviously policy). And, we're supposed to be sympathetic? Should his priority be public service (the job he was elected to), or running his businesses profitably? Maybe a different communication policy would have different results?

Sorry, kind of hard to build any sympathy here. This was bound to be a problem when he ignored the emoluments clause. People still have free choice in the US, not subsidizing Trump's businesses, most of which fail, is their choice.

Never said I was looking for any Trump sympathy. I was merely noting that Trump was not making a financial killing just because some of the secret service and staff occasionally stay at the Florida property, especially when you look at the total picture of all his holdings.

Igotadose

notobtuse wrote: »

Never said I was looking for any Trump sympathy. I was merely noting that Trump was not making a financial killing just because some of the secret service and staff occasionally stay at the Florida property, especially when you look at the total picture of all his holdings.

until we see his taxes, we can't make this judgement. He might be. We've only his word for it that revenues at Trump U., Mar-a-lago, whatever-the-feck have some impact on his personal wealth. They could all just be brands run by someone else who deals with the revenue aspects and pays Trump a fee.

The 'moral' question isn't whether he's profiting here, is, whether he's personally getting revenue he otherwise would not be entitled do, had he not directed US government business to those properties. THere are better golf resorts in Florida and NJ. Government meetings can happen at Camp David. Etc. All comes down to Trump's personal policy to send things his way.

notobtuse

In fairness, I’m pretty sure at least some of those democrats that tried to get tickets for Trump’s rally did so in order to protest Trump.

https://nypost.com/2020/01/28/trump-draws-huge-crowds-days-before-nj-rally/

Boggles

notobtuse wrote: »

In fairness, I’m pretty sure at least some of those democrats that tried to get tickets for Trump’s rally did so in order to protest Trump.

https://nypost.com/2020/01/28/trump-draws-huge-crowds-days-before-nj-rally/

There is no tangible evidence in that article of either of your claims.

JRant

notobtuse wrote: »

So Adam Schiff just tweeted...

“We did our constitutional duty and upheld our oath, even as many Senators did not.

They declined to hear from witnesses and refused to convict even as they admitted the case against the President was proven.

The voters will hold them, and the President, accountable.”

Huh? Didn’t Schiff spend months telling voters they weren’t smart enough to hold the president accountable at election time and that’s why they rushed the impeachment and were trying so hard to get Trump removed from office before the election?

He also said the they had evidence was irrefutable. I mean it was was irrefutable that they actually needed more witnesses and documents to actually make their case. It's almost like they didn't do their job in the House and then threw the toys out of the pram when the Senate didn't bend to their will.

Boggles

JRant wrote: »

He also said the they had evidence was irrefutable. I mean it was was irrefutable that they actually needed more witnesses and documents to actually make their case. It's almost like they didn't do their job in the House and then threw the toys out of the pram when the Senate didn't bend to their will.

GOP Senators declared they had proven their case on the House evidence, one voted to have Trump removed.

Let me guess, liars never Trumpers?

:rolleyes:

JRant

Boggles wrote: »

GOP Senators declared they had proven their case on the House evidence, one voted to have Trump removed.

Let me guess, liars never Trumpers?

:rolleyes:

Was it 3 GOP senators?
2 said it didn't rise to the standard of an impeachable offence and a third voted in favour of it.

I don't think they were liars at all. I think they took a view of the evidence presented and came to their own conclusions.

notobtuse

I honestly don’t know what to think anymore. I’ve just seen something that has blown my mind. Ideologically speaking, I might owe Obama and Biden an apology in this Ukrainian matter. It wouldn’t surprise me if everything, from everyone, involving Ukraine was now dropped and never talked about again... for the good of the nation.

Boggles

notobtuse wrote: »

I honestly don’t know what to think anymore. I’ve just seen something that has blown my mind. Ideologically speaking, I might owe Obama and Biden an apology in this Ukrainian matter. It wouldn’t surprise me if everything, from everyone, involving Ukraine was now dropped and never talked about again... for the good of the nation.

Píssíng Prostitutes?

Tasfasdf

JRant wrote: »

Was it 3 GOP senators?
2 said it didn't rise to the standard of an impeachable offence and a third voted in favour of it.

I don't think they were liars at all. I think they took a view of the evidence presented and came to their own conclusions.

Its all about feelings and not facts with the loony left

FreeThePants

JRant wrote: »

He also said the they had evidence was irrefutable. I mean it was was irrefutable that they actually needed more witnesses and documents to actually make their case. It's almost like they didn't do their job in the House and then threw the toys out of the pram when the Senate didn't bend to their will.

Some of the senators logic for clearing him was "maybe he learned his lesson and won't do it again", confirming that they knew he had broken the law and that there literally was no defense for not impeaching him. And of course, hours later he "learned his lesson" by firing people who had been called to give testimony under oath.

Other senators said they knew he did it but just literally laughed, before a quitting him.

Meanwhile the spokesperson for the GOP senators, mitch McConnell, literally came out and said it would be a rigged trial with jurors who were biased... and that is exactly what they did.

The GOP are not pretending that Trump shouldn't have been impeached, they switched their tact to essentially "the law does not apply to him because we won't let it".

Since they're not even pretending any more, why are you?

notobtuse

Boggles wrote: »

Píssíng Prostitutes?

No, something quite serious. Perhaps it will all come out in a few weeks. Or since Congress now has the documentation in their hands, it might just be buried. Or it might be nothing and we'll just go back to the political war.

Boggles

notobtuse wrote: »

No, something quite serious. Perhaps it will all come out in a few weeks. Or since Congress now has the documentation in their hands, it might just be buried. Or it might be nothing and we'll just go back to the political war.

Sure throw it up there and I'll decide.

notobtuse

Boggles wrote: »

Sure throw it up there and I'll decide.

Not until I know more. It involves economic warfare.

Boggles

notobtuse wrote: »

Not until I know more. It involves economic warfare.

You tease.

Rudy will find out and his goons.

notobtuse

Boggles wrote: »

You tease.

Rudy will find out and his goons.

Only if he follows the money. But there is only so far that will get him.

Outlaw Pete

Boggles wrote: »

Píssíng Prostitutes?

Maybe you didn't get the memo, but those Russian sourced lies (paid for by Clinton) were shown to be just that, lies, so hardly likely to get rehashed, but one never knows I guess, November looms large and the democrats are as desperate now as they were in 2016.

notobtuse wrote: »

I honestly don’t know what to think anymore. I’ve just seen something that has blown my mind. Ideologically speaking, I might owe Obama and Biden an apology in this Ukrainian matter. It wouldn’t surprise me if everything, from everyone, involving Ukraine was now dropped and never talked about again... for the good of the nation.

Seen that too. Think it's baloney myself. Smidgen of truth being exaggerated. I get why people would want to go that route though, given that not too long ago we had the left saying Trump was responsible for Iran bringing down an airliner.

notobtuse

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Seen that too. Think it's baloney myself. Smidgen of truth being exaggerated. I get why people would want to go that route though, given that not too long ago we had the left saying Trump was responsible for Iran bringing down an airliner.

But if true we’re looking at Iran-Contra on steroids (and not Trump).

Boggles

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Seen that too.

notobtuse wrote: »

But if true we’re looking at Iran-Contra on steroids (and not Trump).

So some loon on twitter. Can we not share it with the group?

ohnonotgmail

notobtuse wrote: »

I honestly don’t know what to think anymore. I’ve just seen something that has blown my mind. Ideologically speaking, I might owe Obama and Biden an apology in this Ukrainian matter. It wouldn’t surprise me if everything, from everyone, involving Ukraine was now dropped and never talked about again... for the good of the nation.

The good of the nation would have been the Senators upholding the oath they took and convicting trump.

Billy Mays

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Seen that too.

notobtuse wrote: »

But if true we’re looking at Iran-Contra on steroids (and not Trump).

Boggles wrote: »

So some loon on twitter. Can we not share it with the group?

Diamond and Silk with the inside scoop :cool:

kilns

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The good of the nation would have been the Senators upholding the oath they took and convicting trump.

The US was never a democracy so I dont see what they would start now

notobtuse

You'd think democrats would have waited a month or two but here they go again with their neverending investigations and impeachment of Trump. Trump tweeted about the absurdly of such a long sentence the Deep State prosecutors suggested for Roger Stone and the democrats collective heads exploded. Funny how "lying to the FBI" was a crime created after the witch-hunt investigation of Trump began, right? The judge who is presiding over Stone's case is the same judge that threw Manafort into solitary confinement and was subjected to torture like some terrorist. Manafort's crime was tax evasion and money laundering years before Trump was president.

Yet no jail time for Tony Podesta, Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan, and James Clapper for their illegal activities. Not only are democrats not interested in investigation their crimes they are protecting the criminals and they didn’t give two hoots that Barack Obama directed Eric Holder to do his bidding.

Trump has every right to direct the DOJ to investigate obvious corruption within the department where it seems Democrat holdover operatives have been covertly working to smear and destroy Trump. There are serious questions if the prosecutors in the Stone case lied to the DOJ about the sentencing recommendation. So now it comes under scrutiny and four prosecutors have resigned… Hmmm, I wonder why!

And now Democrats who control the House are refusing to address the Justice Department’s inspector general’s report detailing the FBI’s FISA abuses used against Trump. Yet the House Intelligence Committee is mandated with overseeing the Intelligence Community.

If the democrats are hell-bent on dragging Trump through absolute hell during his entire presidency Trump should direct the Attorney General to investigate every one of the democrats noted above who got away with their crimes, look into every one of Obama's holdovers who are illegally leaking classified and top secret intel, and handcuff, charge and convicted every one of them for what they have done. Why not? If democrats can’t find a reason to investigate and impeach Trump they’ll just make things up. Trump should do to the democrats what they are doing to him… what difference does it make? And the democrats should worry because they’re the ones who have committed actual crimes and Trump will be unchained after winning the election.

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

You'd think democrats would have waited a month or two but here they go again with their neverending investigations and impeachment of Trump. Trump tweeted about the absurdly of such a long sentence the Deep State prosecutors suggested for Roger Stone and the democrats collective heads exploded. Funny how "lying to the FBI" was a crime created after the witch-hunt investigation of Trump began, right? The judge who is presiding over Stone's case is the same judge that threw Manafort into solitary confinement and was subjected to torture like some terrorist. Manafort's crime was tax evasion and money laundering years before Trump was president.

Yet no jail time for Tony Podesta, Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan, and James Clapper for their illegal activities. Not only are democrats not interested in investigation their crimes they are protecting the criminals and they didn’t give two hoots that Barack Obama directed Eric Holder to do his bidding.

Trump has every right to direct the DOJ to investigate obvious corruption within the department where it seems Democrat holdover operatives have been covertly working to smear and destroy Trump. There are serious questions if the prosecutors in the Stone case lied to the DOJ about the sentencing recommendation. So now it comes under scrutiny and four prosecutors have resigned… Hmmm, I wonder why!

And now Democrats who control the House are refusing to address the Justice Department’s inspector general’s report detailing the FBI’s FISA abuses used against Trump. Yet the House Intelligence Committee is mandated with overseeing the Intelligence Community.

If the democrats are hell-bent on dragging Trump through absolute hell during his entire presidency Trump should direct the Attorney General to investigate every one of the democrats noted above who got away with their crimes, look into every one of Obama's holdovers who are illegally leaking classified and top secret intel, and handcuff, charge and convicted every one of them for what they have done. Why not? If democrats can’t find a reason to investigate and impeach Trump they’ll just make things up. Trump should do to the democrats what they are doing to him… what difference does it make? And the democrats should worry because they’re the ones who have committed actual crimes and Trump will be unchained after winning the election.

Sounds terrible!


Oh wait


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/7/11/17561616/paul-manafort-solitary-confinement

Manafort “is not confined to a cell”

Between 8:30 am and 10 pm, Manafort “has access to a separate workroom at the jail to meet with his attorneys and legal team”

He has “his own bathroom and shower facility”

He has “his own personal telephone,” which he can use more than 12 hours a dayThose calls are limited to 15 minutes each, but when they cut off, he can just call the person back immediately

He’s made nearly 300 phone calls in the last three weeks

He has a personal laptop he can use in his unit to review materials and prepare for his trial

He was provided an extension cord to let him use his laptop in either his unit or his workroom

He’s not allowed to send emails, but he “has developed a workaround” for even that — his legal team brings in a laptop, he drafts the emails on that laptop, and they send them out after they leave.

He’s being treated like a “VIP,” according to his own account on a monitored phone call.

What "torture" was he subjected to?

Boggles

notobtuse wrote: »

You'd think democrats would have waited a month or two but here they go again with their neverending investigations and impeachment of Trump. Trump tweeted about the absurdly of such a long sentence the Deep State prosecutors suggested for Roger Stone and the democrats collective heads exploded. Funny how "lying to the FBI" was a crime created after the witch-hunt investigation of Trump began, right? The judge who is presiding over Stone's case is the same judge that threw Manafort into solitary confinement and was subjected to torture like some terrorist. Manafort's crime was tax evasion and money laundering years before Trump was president.

Yet no jail time for Tony Podesta, Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan, and James Clapper for their illegal activities. Not only are democrats not interested in investigation their crimes they are protecting the criminals and they didn’t give two hoots that Barack Obama directed Eric Holder to do his bidding.

Trump has every right to direct the DOJ to investigate obvious corruption within the department where it seems Democrat holdover operatives have been covertly working to smear and destroy Trump. There are serious questions if the prosecutors in the Stone case lied to the DOJ about the sentencing recommendation. So now it comes under scrutiny and four prosecutors have resigned… Hmmm, I wonder why!

And now Democrats who control the House are refusing to address the Justice Department’s inspector general’s report detailing the FBI’s FISA abuses used against Trump. Yet the House Intelligence Committee is mandated with overseeing the Intelligence Community.

If the democrats are hell-bent on dragging Trump through absolute hell during his entire presidency Trump should direct the Attorney General to investigate every one of the democrats noted above who got away with their crimes, look into every one of Obama's holdovers who are illegally leaking classified and top secret intel, and handcuff, charge and convicted every one of them for what they have done. Why not? If democrats can’t find a reason to investigate and impeach Trump they’ll just make things up. Trump should do to the democrats what they are doing to him… what difference does it make? And the democrats should worry because they’re the ones who have committed actual crimes and Trump will be unchained after winning the election.

Jesus that is some Trumpian ranting and raving.

I think you need to take a bit of break from the Big Bad Orange Man.

It's not healthy.

Billy Mays

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus that is some Trumpian ranting and raving.

I think you need to take a bit of break from the Big Bad Orange Man.

It's not healthy.

This

"subjected to torture" ffs :pac:

Will ye get a f*cking grip!!!

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Sounds terrible!


Oh wait


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/7/11/17561616/paul-manafort-solitary-confinement




What "torture" was he subjected to?

Manafort was serving a federal prison sentence in a minimum security prison in Pennsylvania.

But then a New York State judge ordered his move to Rikers Island prison at the request of Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr where he would be subjected at times to solitary confinement.

Rikers Island is a network of nine jails that hold roughly 10,000 inmates. Rikers has become famous for corruption and violence with prison guard use of force nearly doubling in the past few years.

Gee, I wonder why they wanted him in Rikers? Torture, maybe?

Solitary confinement for up to 23 hours a day is still considered torture by many. And it works… It literally breaks people.

Experts confirm that solitary confinement is torture — abject torture for most people. It can drive a sane person completely insane within twenty-four hours. People will say or do anything to get out of it. It plays tricks with the mind. Like many other forms of torture, “information” produced as a result of solitary confinement has very little reliability.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/09/mueller-goon-squad/

More on solitary confinement…
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/what-does-solitary-confinement-do-to-your-mind/

valoren

Even Tricky Dicky wouldn't have dreamed of directing the AG and the DOJ in such a brazen and transparent manner. The man at least had the tact and decency to resign. Stone was an infamous "ratf*cker". Dirty tricks, sleaze, slanderous smears, "kompromat". That's what the toxic prick did, that was his trade. But he got caught. He was indicted and convicted with witness tampering, obstruction of justice and making false statements. Those are serious crimes. He was given a fair trial, you know, one with evidence and witnesses presented and he was found guilty of those crimes. Funnily enough, he would not have been convicted of those crimes if he didn’t commit those crimes in the first place but anyway. Now isn't it interesting now that the infamous ratf*cker is scheduled to be sentenced that Donny is appalled at the treatment he received, how supportive he is of Rog? Going beyond expected protocol and retaining the DOJ's impartiality strikes me as an act of quiet desperation. Stone is no fool and is anyone willing to bet that he, after years of dirty tricks, doesn't know or have anything that would destroy Donny? Of course he has. Trump's goal is to dangle a pardon for Stone and exploit the situation to muddy the waters and slander career prosecutors, blame the Dems and lend credence to conspiracy nut cases i.e. keep your mouth shut Rog. I can and I will pardon you if you do

Billy Mays

So no evidence of him being tortured and an article from the Tucker Carlson founded Daily Caller

Cool

MonkeyTennis

For crying out loud. No-one in their right minds here is going to take seriously articles from the Daily Caller FFS

If thats where you are getting your information from youd want to wise up

Dytalus

notobtuse wrote: »

Solitary confinement for up to 23 hours a day is still considered torture by many. And it works… It literally breaks people.



https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/09/mueller-goon-squad/

More on solitary confinement…
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/what-does-solitary-confinement-do-to-your-mind/

Yes it does. I'm sure your disdain for it is widespread and has fueled a desire for mass reform of the American justice system - which uses it extensively - based on this research

Or do you just have a problem with it because one of 'your guys' is at risk of it? Never mind that I can find no mention of him staring down solitary at all. He is, however, being held "in isolation" which is not the same thing. It means he's held separate from the main body of the prison inmates, not that he's locked in solitary confinement. There will be other high-profile inmates with him:

A law-enforcement official familiar with the correction department’s practices, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss security measures, said Mr. Manafort would most likely be housed in a former prison hospital on the island. That is where most high-profile detainees are held, including police officers, those accused of killing police officers, politicians and celebrities.

A law enforcement official familiar with the jail’s practices said he would probably be held in one of the oldest buildings in the island, known as the North Infirmary Command, which was built in the early 1930s, or in one of the complex’s newest structures, a set of fiberglass tent-like structures known as “Sprungs.”

Cell blocks in the infirmary command have eight cells and a day room with a television on each tier, the official said. The inmates are not locked in their cells during the day.

URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/nyregion/manafort-rikers-island-solitary-confinement.html"]Source[/URL

Timberrrrrrrr

notobtuse wrote: »

Manafort was serving a federal prison sentence in a minimum security prison in Pennsylvania.

But then a New York State judge ordered his move to Rikers Island prison at the request of Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr where he would be subjected at times to solitary confinement.

Ah so you are upset that he was moved from a cushy place?

Gee, I wonder why they wanted him in Rikers? Torture, maybe?

Again you use the word torture, can you show proof that he was subjected to torture "like a terrorist"?

Solitary confinement for up to 23 hours a day is still considered torture by many. And it works… It literally breaks people.

But he wasn't as I posted above.

notobtuse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

But he wasn't as I posted above.

And when he's not meeting with his attorneys and legal team?

notobtuse

Dytalus wrote: »

Yes it does. I'm sure your disdain for it is widespread and has fueled a desire for mass reform of the American justice system - which uses it extensively - based on this research

Or do you just have a problem with it because one of 'your guys' is at risk of it? Never mind that I can find no mention of him staring down solitary at all. He is, however, being held "in isolation" which is not the same thing. It means he's held separate from the main body of the prison inmates, not that he's locked in solitary confinement. There will be other high-profile inmates with him:



URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/nyregion/manafort-rikers-island-solitary-confinement.html"]Source[/URL

In the case of terrorists, some murders and rapists, and extremely violent prisoners I’d say it is warranted at times. Manafort’s crime does not approach those extremes in the least bit.

notobtuse

valoren wrote: »

Even Tricky Dicky wouldn't have dreamed of directing the AG and the DOJ in such a brazen and transparent manner. The man at least had the tact and decency to resign. Stone was an infamous "ratf*cker". Dirty tricks, sleaze, slanderous smears, "kompromat". That's what the toxic prick did, that was his trade. But he got caught. He was indicted and convicted with witness tampering, obstruction of justice and making false statements. Those are serious crimes. He was given a fair trial, you know, one with evidence and witnesses presented and he was found guilty of those crimes. Funnily enough, he would not have been convicted of those crimes if he didn’t commit those crimes in the first place but anyway. Now isn't it interesting now that the infamous ratf*cker is scheduled to be sentenced that Donny is appalled at the treatment he received, how supportive he is of Rog? Going beyond expected protocol and retaining the DOJ's impartiality strikes me as an act of quiet desperation. Stone is no fool and is anyone willing to bet that he, after years of dirty tricks, doesn't know or have anything that would destroy Donny? Of course he has. Trump's goal is to dangle a pardon for Stone and exploit the situation to muddy the waters and slander career prosecutors, blame the Dems and lend credence to conspiracy nut cases i.e. keep your mouth shut Rog. I can and I will pardon you if you do

Oh the hypocrisy. Remember when the Attorney General Eric Holder proclaimed 'I'm still the president's wingman?'

Yes, Stone deserves some jail time but nine years is too excessive, though. As does Tony Podesta, Hillary Clinton, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, John Brennan, and James Clapper for their illegal activities. Right?