President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

Overheal

JRant wrote: »

Absolutely, the words speak for themselves and we don't need an army of talking heads to interpret them.

Damn straight that’s our jobs anyway here!

duploelabs

Cody montana wrote: »

He tried to block everyone.

Of course he did, the actions of the 'most transparent' president in history who has nothing to hide

Overheal

I’m willing to bet, and go out on a long limb here, that William Jefferson Clinton would not have been acquitted of articles of impeachment for obstruction of justice, had he gone to anywhere remotely in the same vector as the lengths Trump has gone to defy subpoena, tamper with witnesses, obstruct justice and impugn the process. He lied to Starr about busting a nut, but he respected the process - far more than this.

Overheal

Well that was quick. Jury only took a few hours today: Roger Stone convicted of lying to federal investigators about his connections to Wikileaks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/roger-stone-jury-weighs-evidence-and-a-defense-move-to-make-case-about-mueller/2019/11/15/554fff5a-06ff-11ea-8292-c46ee8cb3dce_story.html

Sets the President up for more trouble with more court-established facts.

Overheal

Even Ken Starr - who was the independent counsel for Clinton but has lamented this process has become too partisan - was aghast that Trump intimidates a witness in real-time

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ken-starr-condemns-trump-attacking-marie-yovanovitch-extraordinarily-poor-judgement/

In front of millions of glued Americans!

Outlaw Pete

Schiff not letting Stefanik ask questions?? What a farce.

Overheal

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Schiff not letting Stefanik ask questions?? What a farce.

Not watching yet but I presume it’s because he’s attempting to violate the protection of the whistleblower?

duploelabs

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Schiff not letting Stefanik ask questions?? What a farce.

Shes not recognised, whats you point?

Overheal

Do you mean this farce? Because we agree it’s a farce you just seem confused about who was being farcical (hint: it wasn’t the Chair)

https://www.mediaite.com/news/gop-reps-jordan-and-stefanik-fume-as-adam-schiff-shuts-down-effort-to-derail-impeachment-hearing/

MadYaker

Overheal wrote: »

I’m willing to bet, and go out on a long limb here, that William Jefferson Clinton would not have been acquitted of articles of impeachment for obstruction of justice, had he gone to anywhere remotely in the same vector as the lengths Trump has gone to defy subpoena, tamper with witnesses, obstruct justice and impugn the process. He lied to Starr about busting a nut, but he respected the process - far more than this.

Sorry but you can’t lie and still respect the process. But I agree he cooperated more than trump.

Overheal

MadYaker wrote: »

Sorry but you can’t lie and still respect the process. But I agree he cooperated more than trump.

That’s what I mean. Clinton clearly merited an impeachment trial for lying; what probably saved him is the cooperation.

Outlaw Pete

duploelabs wrote: »

Shes not recognised, whats you point?

Select committee employees can be yielded to, thought she qualified as such, apparently not.

Overheal

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Select committee employees can be yielded to, thought she qualified as such, apparently not.

I’m no Parliamentarian and haven’t caught up but for the sake of context who recognized her etc?

Outlaw Pete

Overheal wrote: »

I’m no Parliamentarian and haven’t caught up but for the sake of context who recognized her etc?

Nunes tried to yield to her ... but apparently under the rules they have agreed to he cannot.


https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1195395704539303937

Overheal

I’m sure clarification will show up later but that at least, appears consistent, with yesterday; yesterday the only two yielded to during time by anyone recognized was the counsel for either the majority or minority eg. Steve Caster; each side got 45 minutes which was mostly eaten up by the respective chair who then yielded to that counsel. Then after the recess I recall that other members of the committee were recognized for turns, including Stefanik and that Dem who zinged Trump as the star witness, Jordan, Castro, Etc.

This reported spat was way early right? In the first time block for republicans when they could have waited for the later back and forth? If so this could seemingly be Republicans trying to break the rules to frame the chair as being the problem for moderating the behavior. Wouldn’t be past them and from a completely partisan strategists perspective is not inherently a bad ploy.

MeMen2_MoRi_

What's the problem there?

MeMen2_MoRi_

Overheal wrote: »

I’m sure clarification will show up later but that at least, appears consistent, with yesterday; yesterday the only to yielded two during time by anyone recognized was the counsel for either the majority or minority eg. Steve Caster; each side got 45 minutes which was mostly eaten up by the respective chair who then yielded to that counsel. Then after the recess I recall that other members of the committee were recognized for turns, including Stefanik and that Dem who zinged Trump as the star witness, Jordan, Castro, Etc.

Yeah that my limited understanding, Schiff/counsel and GOP/counsel speak in the 45min periods. Then other members get the 5mins which can be yeilded to others

Outlaw Pete

Aye, and apparently also Permanent Select Committee employees can be yielded to also within the 45 (whatever / whoever they are).

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/660/text

Overheal

I think that’s specifically people like counsel and stenographers and such?

WaPo posted a piece that aligns with our thought process here:

“ Rep. Devin Nunes (Calif.), the top Republican on the Intelligence Committee, attempted to pass his opening question time off to Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.), the GOP’s one woman on the panel, in violation of the rules the House passed last month to govern the impeachment proceedings. The move appeared to be geared toward the cameras”

“ She claimed that Schiff had yielded time to a Democratic member. That was false — Schiff had only yielded time to his counsel, Daniel Goldman, during the Democrats’ opening question time.
While it is customary, as Nunes pointed out, that members can yield to one another, the House’s rules for impeachment expressly state that the first 90 minutes of open hearings are controlled in equal measure by the chairman and ranking member, and in that time the only person they can defer to are staff counsels. Nunes attempted to defer to Stefanik just a few minutes into his opening question time.
Nunes eventually dropped the cause and deferred to his counsel, Steve Castor.”

It’s on their live feed on the mobile site so I don’t have the permalink handy

Trump is vociforously critical of Yovanovich on Twitter and Trump is very angry for some reason about her actions

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50436521

Overheal

You have to wonder how Nunes feels right now, aside from all the other bs like his twitter lawsuits he hasn’t a hope with: it was reported last week they might take Nunes out to put Jordan in his place instead but that seemed to miss, Jordan took a lesser spot; I guess shortly into his time he needed/wanted to defer to Stefanik now - could he not make the same case or points?

I agree Stefanik is the best person the GOP has up on that committee and frankly I’m wondering if they shouldn’t just push her in as the chair if Nunes can’t hack it. IMHO the Presidents interests would be better served.

MeMen2_MoRi_

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/470652-bret-baier-says-trump-attacking-yovanovitch-could-be-article-of-impeachment

"That was a turning point in this hearing so far," Baier said on Twitter of Trump's tweet.

"She was already a sympathetic witness & the President’s tweet ripping her allowed Schiff to point it out real time characterizing it as witness tampering or intimidation -adding an article of impeachment real-time," he added.

Water John

GOP simply appealing to their base and more pointedly Trump. Poor performance generally with the exception of their counsel who behaved admirably considering he had little to work with.

Overheal

Im 4-5 hours behind watching Nunes opening remarks. He read the 1st Zelensky call into the record - tons of "congratulations" "thanks" etc. Zelensky invited Trump/a diplomat to the Inauguration and Trump extended a white house invitation with no set TBD. I think that was the point of the release - but we know long since after the call, Pence was held back from the inauguration in the Ukraine, and we know from deposition that during the securing of a WH meeting and the aid became conditioned, until Bolton released the aid and the ICIG informed Congress of the whistleblower, regarding a 2nd call. The release also gave Schiff an undeserved touche' to point out that he's decided to release these two telcons but not thousands of subpoenaed documents.

Outlaw Pete

Nice scoop for Dan, first ever interview on his podcast and it's the man himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqMaLOC7fPI

Overheal

oh geez do I wanna know

edit: no, no no, I will wait until they have to enter it into the congressional record :pac:

Billy Mays

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Nice scoop for Dan, first ever interview on his podcast and it's the man himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqMaLOC7fPI

Trump gives interview to one of his fox news clapping seals

Overheal

Billy Mays wrote: »

Trump gives interview to one of his fox news clapping seals

You know I did read this morning someone was coming out with an ASMR porn app.. and now that you mention it that whole episode is probably just an ASMR Republican Fap. Not that people should avoid it you're still getting another direct window into Trump or at least his ego.

MadYaker

If I was Trump id be raging with Jim he was fcuking useless. Is the democrat gonna ask a question or his he allowed to rant?

Calhoun

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/president-trump/very-intimidating-trump-launches-twitter-attack-on-witness-during-impeachment-testimony-38696082.html

He seems to have gone of the boil a little bit.