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President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

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    #4502
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Winning_Stroke wrote: »
    What was the alternative? :confused:
    I'm guessing Seppuku.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4503
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Was Pelosi tearing up Trump’s speech or the US Constitution?

    So she ripped up a speech filled with the most successful accounts of a presidency, ever, including accomplishments for blue-collar workers, people of color, and America as a whole. Pelosi actions were shameful beyond measure and she made a mockery of her position and of Congress.

    Pelosi is either the most juvenile Speaker ever, stupid, suffering from dementia, or afraid of Sanders winning the DNC primary and secretly working to reelect Trump. Take your pick.

    Who wants to tell him that Obamas job creation was better than Trumps ;)

    The irony of a Trump supporter calling someone else out for making a mockery of their office, you guys write your own jokes


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    #4504
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    kilns wrote: »
    Who wants to tell him that Obamas job creation was better than Trumps ;)

    The irony of a Trump supporter calling someone else out for making a mockery of their office, you guys write your own jokes

    LOL... Keep thinking that! :P

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4505
    FreeThePants
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭FreeThePants


    kilns wrote: »
    Who wants to tell him that Obamas job creation was better than Trumps ;)

    The irony of a Trump supporter calling someone else out for making a mockery of their office, you guys write your own jokes
    Well I mean unemployment is 40% under Trump so it's hardly surprising.

    Trump supporters were eager to include participation rate into unemployment srsstics in 2016, so it's only fair to hold them to their own standards (as much as they typically cry about that being unfair).


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    #4506
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    LOL... Keep thinking that! :P

    care to elaborate


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    #4507
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    kilns wrote: »
    care to elaborate
    Sure. It’s the voter’s impressions that matters most come November. Under Obama things got a little better because they could only go up at the time. But not to pre-crash levels, and Obama said to embrace the new normal, which was foolish on his part. Now, under Trump, people feel things are a lot better and it has to do much with Trump giving tax breaks to everyone and killing job crushing government regulations. Not to mention historical low unemployment rates and the democrats never ending impeachment investigations because Orange Man Bad won the election in 2016. So keep telling people they are stupid for feeling their current status was really Obama’s doing and has nothing to do with Trump. It will guarantee Trump’s reelection, ensure Republicans keep a hold on the Senate, provide more constitutional and conservative judges in both the federal courts and the SCOTUS, and could possibly put the House back in the GOP’s hands this November. Take it to the bank!

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4508
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,278 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Sure. It’s the voter’s impressions that matters most come November. Under Obama things got a little better because they could only go up at the time. But not to pre-crash levels, and Obama said to embrace the new normal, which was foolish on his part. Now, under Trump, people feel things are a lot better and it has to do much with Trump giving tax breaks to everyone and killing job crushing government regulations. Not to mention historical low unemployment rates and the democrats never ending impeachment investigations because Orange Man Bad won the election in 2016. So keep telling people they are stupid for feeling their current status was really Obama’s doing and has nothing to do with Trump. It will guarantee Trump’s reelection, ensure Republicans keep a hold on the Senate, provide more constitutional and conservative judges in both the federal courts and the SCOTUS, and could possibly put the House back in the GOP’s hands this November. Take it to the bank!
    Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/20/trump-v-obama-economy-charts/


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    #4509
    Winning_Stroke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Winning_Stroke


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Sure. It’s the voter’s impressions that matters most come November.

    True. Pre-November 2016 the media couldn't stop telling the public how the economy would crash were Trump to become President, Nobel winners were leading the charge, hysterical types were dumping all their stocks on the morning after ( :D don't believe everything you read folks!) etc etc.

    People can compare the current situation against that to which they were told would happen.

    Of course, the Devoted will defend to the last first with "Sure Obama did better," then "The great economy is because of Obama!" to "It's actually an awful economy and it's all Drumpf's fault".


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    #4510
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/20/trump-v-obama-economy-charts/
    LOL... Keep thinking that! tongue.png

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4511
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Sure. It’s the voter’s impressions that matters most come November. Under Obama things got a little better because they could only go up at the time. But not to pre-crash levels, and Obama said to embrace the new normal, which was foolish on his part. Now, under Trump, people feel things are a lot better and it has to do much with Trump giving tax breaks to everyone and killing job crushing government regulations. Not to mention historical low unemployment rates and the democrats never ending impeachment investigations because Orange Man Bad won the election in 2016. So keep telling people they are stupid for feeling their current status was really Obama’s doing and has nothing to do with Trump. It will guarantee Trump’s reelection, ensure Republicans keep a hold on the Senate, provide more constitutional and conservative judges in both the federal courts and the SCOTUS, and could possibly put the House back in the GOP’s hands this November. Take it to the bank!

    So to summarize you dont dispute that Trumps figures are not as good as Obamas and while yes he has not fcuked it up and has contributed to it and the trend has continued, he is riding the wave that was created before him and the fact he cannot acknowledge that sums the man up. However at the same time he has irresponsibly ran up the debt like has done in his own private life, the difference is here he cant just file for bankruptcy, someone is going to have to pay for it i.e. the American taxpayer. Isnt this the same President who in 2016 promise he would elminate the national debt, thoughts?

    So tell us the last "national election" occured when? what were peoples feelings going into that election and which side would you say won that election?


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    #4512
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,278 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    notobtuse wrote: »
    LOL... Keep thinking that! tongue.png

    Nothing to do with opinion, the numbers are there in black and white. Do you dispute them and have published articles to back up your rhetoric?


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    #4513
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Winning_Stroke wrote: »
    True. Pre-November 2016 the media couldn't stop telling the public how the economy would crash were Trump to become President, Nobel winners were leading the charge, hysterical types were dumping all their stocks on the morning after ( :D don't believe everything you read folks!) etc etc.

    People can compare the current situation against that to which they were told would happen.

    Of course, the Devoted will defend to the last first with "Sure Obama did better," then "The great economy is because of Obama!" to "It's actually an awful economy and it's all Drumpf's fault".

    Tax cuts etc are great but what you should be looking at is the debt, which is rising at a crazy rate. You can borrow and borrow to make things look good but at some stage its going to explode. Its like your neighbour buying a new Porshce in order to show off on his credit card, eventually its going have to be paid off and thats when the pain really hits


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    #4514
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,413 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    kilns wrote: »
    Tax cuts etc are great but what you should be looking at is the debt, which is rising at a crazy rate. You can borrow and borrow to make things look good but at some stage its going to explode. Its like your neighbour buying a new Porshce in order to show off on his credit card, eventually its going have to be paid off and thats when the pain really hits

    thats for the next guy to worry about. Trump doesn't care about that. he is used to borrowing piles of money.


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    #4515
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    kilns wrote: »
    So to summarize you dont dispute that Trumps figures are not as good as Obamas and while yes he has not fcuked it up and has contributed to it and the trend has continued, he is riding the wave that was created before him and the fact he cannot acknowledge that sums the man up. However at the same time he has irresponsibly ran up the debt like has done in his own private life, the difference is here he cant just file for bankruptcy, someone is going to have to pay for it i.e. the American taxpayer. Isnt this the same President who in 2016 promise he would elminate the national debt, thoughts?

    So tell us the last "national election" occured when? what were peoples feelings going into that election and which side would you say won that election?
    Wow, people on the left are suddenly concerned about the national debt? Don't that beat all! I don't like the level of debt but I'm willing to see if what experts say is correct... that the tax cuts and it's corresponding effect on growth will bring in high levels of taxes which will be used to help cut the red down in Trump's second term

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4516
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Wow, people on the left are suddenly concerned about the national debt? Don't that beat all! I don't like the level of debt but I'm willing to see if what experts say is correct... that the tax cuts and it's corresponding effect on growth will bring in high levels of taxes which will be used to help cut the red down in Trump's second term

    This seems to be the reverse argument that the Republicans have been talking about. For all the commentary about the Republicans being fiscally conservative, they've not done a particularly good job of it. It is possible to both cut taxes to gain those benefits you mention and not increase debt, but someone needs to cut spending somewhere to do it and they don't seem to have come up with much of a plan to do so.


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    #4517
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Wow, people on the left are suddenly concerned about the national debt? Don't that beat all! I don't like the level of debt but I'm willing to see if what experts say is correct... that the tax cuts and it's corresponding effect on growth will bring in high levels of taxes which will be used to help cut the red down in Trump's second term

    Ha ha you are hilarious. You do know that his Tax cuts have exploded the deficit by another 200 billion and its ok if you are honest about, its not a grand plan to eventually bring the debt down, its a short term gift to win votes. All politicians do it but dont make out that it is some genius plan because its not, as I said previously its something that eventually will blow up in the American peoples face and the sad thing is its probably those that are pooer in American society who will suffer the most, while those who gained most from this current tax cut are the richest

    any comment on Trumps promise to eliminate the debt as supposedly its easy to do


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    #4518
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    This seems to be the reverse argument that the Republicans have been talking about. For all the commentary about the Republicans being fiscally conservative, they've not done a particularly good job of it. It is possible to both cut taxes to gain those benefits you mention and not increase debt, but someone needs to cut spending somewhere to do it and they don't seem to have come up with much of a plan to do so.

    Trump stated that he would eliminate the debt when in fact he has done the opposite. This should be one of the major things he is held accountable for. If he runs the country like this with all the checks and balances in place imagine what his personal finances are like


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    #4519
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,278 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    kilns wrote: »
    Trump stated that he would eliminate the debt when in fact he has done the opposite. This should be one of the major things he is held accountable for. If he runs the country like this with all the checks and balances in place imagine what his personal finances are like

    Or his ability to bankrupt a casino, where the house always wins


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    #4520
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    This seems to be the reverse argument that the Republicans have been talking about. For all the commentary about the Republicans being fiscally conservative, they've not done a particularly good job of it. It is possible to both cut taxes to gain those benefits you mention and not increase debt, but someone needs to cut spending somewhere to do it and they don't seem to have come up with much of a plan to do so.
    The interest burden on our debt is becoming crippling. More tax revenues will help but so very little of our spending has now become discretionary. No way out of it, imo, but to just keep printing money and perhaps go two war with someone like China where we can call all debts null and void.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4521
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    The interest burden on our debt is becoming crippling. More tax revenues will help but so very little of our spending has now become discretionary. No way out of it, imo, but to just keep printing money and perhaps go two war with someone like China where we can call all debts null and void.

    How much do you spend on military? It’s a disgrace considering your a third world country when it comes to healthcare for your citizens. You can start there


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    #4522
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    kilns wrote: »
    How much do you spend on military? It’s a disgrace considering your a third world country when it comes to healthcare for your citizens. You can start there
    How much do you and other countries rely on the US spending that money on its military? Why not step up?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4523
    FreeThePants
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭FreeThePants


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Wow, people on the left are suddenly concerned about the national debt?
    Under Ragaen and Bush Sr national deficit went from about 80bn to 400bn, roughly a five fold increase.

    Clinton wiped out the deficit entirely, and left Bush Jr with the only surplus since the 1960s. An not just a tiny surplus, but one of 240bn.

    Bush then took that surplus, and shat it down the toilet winding up with a deficit of 460bn and the worst financial crisis in a century.

    Obama came in, fixed said recession, and still left office with the deficit lower than he inherited it, at 438bn.

    Trump, like Bush before him, inherited the excellent situation his democratic predecessor had left for him. We are three years in and the deficit has more than doubled, now exceeding $1tn if I am correct.

    This is the reality of it.


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    #4524
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    FreeThePants wrote: »
    Under Ragaen and Bush Sr national deficit went from about 80bn to 400bn, roughly a five fold increase.

    Clinton wiped out the deficit entirely, and left Bush Jr with the only surplus since the 1960s. An not just a tiny surplus, but one of 240bn.

    Bush then took that surplus, and shat it down the toilet winding up with a deficit of 460bn and the worst financial crisis in a century.

    Obama came in, fixed said recession, and still left office with the deficit lower than he inherited it, at 438bn.

    Trump, like Bush before him, inherited the excellent situation his democratic predecessor had left for him. We are three years in and the deficit has more than doubled, now exceeding $1tn if I am correct.

    This is the reality of it.
    Obama left office with the deficit lower than he inherited? What comic book did you find that information in?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4525
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    How much do you and other countries rely on the US spending that money on its military? Why not step up?

    Oh ffs nobody needs to spend stupid money on military. In the US it’s crazy if you question it you are suddenly unpatriotic which is bull.

    You do know Ireland is not part of NATO too...


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    #4526
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Obama left office with the deficit lower than he inherited? What comic book did you find that information in?

    Still waiting for your justification for Trumps out of control deficit and debt and the fact he claimed he’d wipe it out.


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    #4527
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    kilns wrote: »
    Still waiting for your justification for Trumps out of control deficit and debt and the fact he claimed he’d wipe it out.
    I never said he would wipe it out.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4528
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    kilns wrote: »
    Oh ffs nobody needs to spend stupid money on military. In the US it’s crazy if you question it you are suddenly unpatriotic which is bull.

    You do know Ireland is not part of NATO too...
    Ireland has a low-profile partnership with NATO and relies on it for their defense. And NATO relies on the US. Ergo...

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #4529
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,523 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I never said he would wipe it out.

    Trump said he would, he hasn't and in fact he has doubled it. What's your thoughts on that?


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    #4530
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Trump said he would, he hasn't and in fact he has doubled it. What's your thoughts on that?

    To 1 TRILLION dollars.
    Bankrupting America.


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    #4531
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Trump said he would, he hasn't and in fact he has doubled it. What's your thoughts on that?
    Doubled it? Really?

    Regardless... OH, NO! A POLITICIAN DOESN’T KEEP ALL OF HIS CAMPAIGN PROMISES... NEWS AT 11!

    Shocked, I tell you. Shocked! I think you may have just found Nancy Pelosi’s next reason to impeach Trump.

    But doesn't Congress create the budget and control the purse strings?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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