Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

Options
1…159160162164165…173

Comments

  • Options
    #4832
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    frag420 wrote: »
    Explain how a successful business man can bankrupt two casinos!

    Just to remind you, casinos are places dumb people go to and basically throw their money at the owner, on the odd occasion he throws something back, the house never loses...unless the house is owned by Trump it seems!

    Only an absolute idiot could bankrupt and lose money owning a casino!!

    I bet if Harrahs or Harveys put you/me/anyone on boards in charge of one of their casino's we'd bankrupt it.


  • Options
    #4833
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Henry Ford went bankrupt before bouncing back. As did Walt Disney, HJ Heinz, Larry King, William Durant, Francis Ford Copolla, PT Barnum, Mick Fleetwood, Stan Lee, Abe Lincoln.

    Also, The Donald.
    But, but, but... Orange Man Bad!

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Options
    #4834
    ebbsy
    Registered Users Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    How could Trump be an idiot.

    He won the election from nowhere.

    He defeated the Democrats re Russia and Ukraine.

    He will win again in November.

    If he is an idiot then the Democratic supporters are ?????.

    And you can add Mitt Romney to that. I hope they destroy him.


  • Options
    #4835
    Winning_Stroke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Winning_Stroke


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Henry Ford went bankrupt before bouncing back. As did Walt Disney, HJ Heinz, Larry King, William Durant, Francis Ford Copolla, PT Barnum, Mick Fleetwood, Stan Lee, Abe Lincoln.

    Also, The Donald.

    Boo! Hiss! Look the story is that the man who beat out the two big political dynastys to come from nowhere to be President of the US, in what was widely agreed to be an absolute shoe-in for his opponent, is a failure.


  • Options
    #4836
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Winning_Stroke wrote: »
    Boo! Hiss! Look the story is that the man who beat out the two big political dynastys to come from nowhere to be President of the US, in what was widely agreed to be an absolute shoe-in for his opponent, is a failure.
    I heard his time in 3rd grade at school were the best six years of his life.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #4837
    MonkeyTennis
    Registered Users Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭MonkeyTennis


    Winning_Stroke wrote: »
    Boo! Hiss! Look the story is that the man who beat out the two big political dynastys to come from nowhere to be President of the US, in what was widely agreed to be an absolute shoe-in for his opponent, is a failure.


    Came from nowhere? Oh I forgot .. he started shining shoes in time square.

    It wasnt even his first time running for president.


  • Options
    #4838
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Lots of business men do thats the nature of big business, big risk, big reward, he seems to be doing well at the moment, He's still the president though ... I would say a rich man who is the president of the USA is "flourishing", would you not?

    Lots of businessmen go bankrupt 6 times?
    He inherited millions and lost it all.
    How do you know he’s doing well, he won’t release his taxes?


  • Options
    #4839
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Lots of businessmen go bankrupt 6 times?
    He inherited millions and lost it all.
    How do you know he’s doing well, he won’t release his taxes?

    Lets see...

    https://www.trump.com/

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Options
    #4840
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    ebbsy wrote: »
    How could Trump be an idiot.

    He won the election from nowhere.

    He defeated the Democrats re Russia and Ukraine.

    He will win again in November.

    If he is an idiot then the Democratic supporters are ?????.

    And you can add Mitt Romney to that. I hope they destroy him.

    I point you in the direction of George W :pac:


  • Options
    #4841
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Lots of businessmen go bankrupt 6 times?
    He inherited millions and lost it all.
    How do you know he’s doing well, he won’t release his taxes?

    But people feel confident saying he's broke somehow without his taxes also ?? I mean even if the guy has lets say 5 million in the bank and is the president of the US I would still consider that to be "flourishing"
    Its amazing how none of his political opponents seem to be able to stop or beat the biggest loser and doofus to ever walk upright.

    I was never a fan of the man but the vitriol in which people attack him and try to literally equate him to hitler has actually made him into a bit of a sympathetic figure in my eyes, as mad as it sounds.
    Well its made me sceptical of claims made about him anyway.
    Which is surprising as I would have never thought I'd be of this opinion back in 2016.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #4842
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,276 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Lets see...

    https://www.trump.com/

    Yes, because a self produced site is a measure of accuracy and impartiality


  • Options
    #4843
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    You can tell his intelligence by the language he used but who cares if he is intelligent or not he tapped into a certain section of American society and in that way he was smart.

    As for a successful business man, nobody knows how succesful he is because he wont release his returns. So I can claim to be a billionaire and no you cant see my bank account statement to prove it.

    As for being a successful developer, it was shown that if he took the money his father gave him and invested in index funds i.e. doing nothing. he would be better off than what he would is reported to be now


  • Options
    #4844
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Yes, because a self produced site is a measure of accuracy and impartiality
    So, genius, which ones of those asset claims are false?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Options
    #4845
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    So, genius, which ones of those asset claims are false?

    to be fair how much borrowings does he have against the properties, you can not make an assessment unless you have the full picture


  • Options
    #4846
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    kilns wrote: »
    to be fair how much borrowings does he have against the properties, you can not make an assessment unless you have the full picture
    Duh! You can't have over 515 business ventures without borrowing and a few failures. Did you know that in the US statistically about 80-90% of businesses fail within the first year to eighteen months?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Options
    #4847
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,276 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    notobtuse wrote: »
    So, genius, which ones of those asset claims are false?

    Well there are sworn testimony with documentation that Trump is known to inflate and deflate the valuations of said assets depending on who he's talking to.

    And you wonder why he won't release his tax returns because, oh I don't know, he may have committed insurance fraud!


  • Options
    #4848
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Well there are sworn testimony with documentation that Trump is known to inflate and deflate the valuations of said assets depending on who he's talking to.

    And you wonder why he won't release his tax returns because, oh I don't know, he may have committed insurance fraud!
    Moving the goalposts, again, I see.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Options
    #4849
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,276 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Duh! You can't have over 515 business ventures without borrowing and a few failures. Did you know that in the US statistically about 80-90% of businesses fail within the first year to eighteen months?

    Have you independently verified documentation to back up those claims? No, I didn't think so


  • Options
    #4850
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,276 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Moving the goalposts, again, I see.

    I never moved any goalposts, I just showed you that he's proven to fabricate the value of his assets


  • Options
    #4851
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Duh! You can't have over 515 business ventures without borrowing and a few failures. Did you know that in the US statistically about 80-90% of businesses fail within the first year to eighteen months?

    What are you talking about? I am talking about all his properties and how much debt he has. For a guy who has a track record of racking up huge debt, who can say how much of his property is leveraged.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #4852
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Have you independently verified documentation to back up those claims? No, I didn't think so
    Of course not. Don't be a doofus.

    Beyond wealth lets look at another factor. A CNNMoney analysis calculates there are 22,450 direct employees/jobs attributable to Trump, and there are many other jobs that would not exist without Trump. Economists call this the "multiplier effect." The state of New York says that "leisure and hospitality" companies like Trump's typically have a 1.5 multiplier effect. Using that multiplier the Trump Organization is responsible for about 34,000 jobs. And if you view the Trump Organization as a financial services or management company, then the employment multiplier would be 3 bringing the jobs attributable of Trump to 67,000.

    Bloomberg (whose owner is running against Trump) calculates Trump’s personal wealth at around $3 billion US.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Options
    #4853
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,276 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Of course not. Don't be a doofus.

    Beyond wealth lets look at another factor. A CNNMoney analysis calculates there are 22,450 direct employees/jobs attributable to Trump, and there are many other jobs that would not exist without Trump. Economists call this the "multiplier effect." The state of New York says that "leisure and hospitality" companies like Trump's typically have a 1.5 multiplier effect. Using that multiplier the Trump Organization is responsible for about 34,000 jobs. And if you view the Trump Organization as a financial services or management company, then the employment multiplier would be 3 bringing the jobs attributable of Trump to 67,000.

    Bloomberg (whose owner is running against Trump) calculates Trump’s personal wealth at around $3 billion US.

    Well without any verification to your claims, you're just talking b*llocks (colour me shocked)


  • Options
    #4854
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Well without any verification to your claims, you're just talking b*llocks (colour me shocked)
    I take it you don't realize how sad and desperate your posts appear.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Options
    #4855
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,276 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I take it you don't realize how sad and desperate your posts appear.

    Because I'm pointing out you're unable to verify your claims? Bless


  • Options
    #4856
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Because I'm pointing out you're unable to verify your claims? Bless
    Nobody on this earth can, not even Trump himself. His assets (and business structure) are just too massive and diverse. The best anyone can do is rely on analysis and estimates of experts. It's not brain science.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Options
    #4857
    Winning_Stroke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Winning_Stroke


    MonkeyTennis wrote: »
    Came from nowhere? Oh I forgot .. he started shining shoes in time square.

    Yes, politically nowhere. No backing or base in either party, no prior experience in a political role.


  • Options
    #4858
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Nobody on this earth can, not even Trump himself. His assets (and business structure) are just too massive and diverse. The best anyone can do is rely on analysis and estimates of experts. It's not brain science.

    to be fair I am sure his CFO and the IRS could tell you.


    If I were to hazard I guess I would say his net worth is probably around 200-300 million

    There is no point debating his wealth as the full facts are not on display and thats the way he wants it evidently.


  • Options
    #4859
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Winning_Stroke wrote: »
    Yes, politically nowhere. No backing or base in either party, no prior experience in a political role.
    Have you noticed a number of posters here have seemingly signed onto the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez school of reasoning.

    One of her recent gems…
    “It’s a physical impossibility to lift yourself up by a bootstrap, by your shoelaces? It’s physically impossible. The whole thing is a joke.”

    That’s like saying… “It's a physical impossibility to be in a pickle. Inside an actual pickle? Our bodies are too big. It’s physically impossible. The whole thing is a joke!” (shout-out to Tom Elliot for that one)

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Options
    #4860
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Winning_Stroke wrote: »
    Yes, politically nowhere. No backing or base in either party, no prior experience in a political role.

    to be fair alot of credit has to go to Kelly Ann, she really played a stormer for him and he really had a good social media team behind him and his style struck a cord with a certain number of people.

    I think thats the issue with him, its the reason he rubs people up the wrong way, his demeanor. He is not a pleasant guy and I am sure even his most ardent fans would admit to that but some people love that about him others hate it. If he sat quietly in the Oval Office going about his business his approval ratings would probably be much higher but he cant resist as he is a narcacist.

    This thread shows how polarising he is, you either love him or hate him. The majority of Americans hate him evidently but due to Americas weird "democracy" that doesnt matter


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #4861
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    The reason for that remark by AOC was to get to the etymology of the phrase, which is that it's physically impossible to do so. It's about the fact that not everyone can get ahead just by working hard, therefore it's as ludicrous to suggest as pulling oneself up by their bootstraps.

    http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2005-August/052756.html


Advertisement