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President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

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    #662
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    Why would impeachment be mentioned in the definition of "coup"?

    Exactly. They have nothing to do with each other.


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    #663
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Wonder why the Biden campaign isn’t being more aggressive in fundraising off of the current Ukraine story?

    I’ll give you three guesses.

    Hints...
    Did Hillary fundraise on videos of her falling down?
    Didn’t his kid already take all the money?
    How to you explain #QuidProJoe in a campaign mailer without raising a lot of eyebrows?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #664
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    Overheal wrote: »
    In your opinion.

    How is it being 'engineered?'


    We are all only giving our opinions here. Even the "NPCs" among us. It is being engineered by the Democrats and being led by Adam Schiff who, whether via his own aides or himself, worked with the "whistleblower" prior to the information being made public. It is clearly engineered. In my opinion. And i didnt need to bore everyone with a bunch of prose either :)



    You have to love Adam Schiff. When it was mooted that an actual whistleblower, Julian Assange, would be willing to meet him his response was "only when in US custody and not before". Yet here he is providing a "whistleblower" who works for the CIA with some handholding prior to getting his/her information out. Some whistleblowers are more equal than others to our Adam.


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    #665
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    The real reason for this whole charade is because the dems (along with and the corrupt remnants of the Obama administration) know what's coming and they want to do whatever they can to cut it off at the pass. Or at the very least, undermine it.

    When news broke last week that Barr and Durham were in Rome recently to hear a taped deposition of one Joesph Mifsud, there were calls for Barr's resignation. Which was of course just a laughable Hail mary attempt at discrediting him and his investigation into the origins of the Russia-Trump Collusion hoax.

    Couple of clips which explain Joseph Mifsud's role in all this:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTmOrRqgzQc


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0-fzipMfg4



    Democrats and their allies have pearl clutched for over three years about election meddling and yet here they are now doing everything in their power to stop Trump and the current Attorney General from investigating that very thing. Why? They were fine when Mueller was investigating possible corruption, and election meddling, so why not AG Barr and John Durham? Wouldn't happen to be because a certain orange man is not the one in these particular crosshairs now would it.


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    #666
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    Overheal wrote: »
    Well of course it wouldn’t:

    A coup is defined as, “a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government”

    Whereas an impeachment is a lawful, deliberative (ie. Slow, far from sudden), nonviolent exercise of elected power within one of three branches of the US government as enshrined in Article I of the US Constitution.

    Got more straws?


    Straws? I was responding to your friend's idiotic post:

    mcmoustache wrote: »
    I couldn't find anything like that in definitions of coup. Where did you find that one?


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    #667
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Exactly. They have nothing to do with each other.


    Well, that's stupid. I can now see why you believe CNN and MSNBC's talking points :pac:


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    #668
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,408 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    We are all only giving our opinions here. Even the "NPCs" among us. It is being engineered by the Democrats and being led by Adam Schiff who, whether via his own aides or himself, worked with the "whistleblower" prior to the information being made public. It is clearly engineered. In my opinion. And i didnt need to bore everyone with a bunch of prose either :)



    You have to love Adam Schiff. When it was mooted that an actual whistleblower, Julian Assange, would be willing to meet him his response was "only when in US custody and not before". Yet here he is providing a "whistleblower" who works for the CIA with some handholding prior to getting his/her information out. Some whistleblowers are more equal than others to our Adam.

    It’s your assertion that because the whistleblower contacted the House intelligence committee that this is somehow ‘engineered?’

    Are you aware that a congressional intelligence committee is among the shortlist of places federal employees are *trained* to go when they want to initiate a whistleblower complaint? If not I can prose it out for you...


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    #669
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,408 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    Well, that's stupid. I can now see why you believe CNN and MSNBC's talking points :pac:

    Because he knows what words mean?


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    #670
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    We are all only giving our opinions here. Even the "NPCs" among us. It is being engineered by the Democrats and being led by Adam Schiff who, whether via his own aides or himself, worked with the "whistleblower" prior to the information being made public. It is clearly engineered. In my opinion. And i didnt need to bore everyone with a bunch of prose either :)

    Going by that definition of "engineered", every impeachment was engineered.


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    #671
    bad2dabone
    Registered Users Posts: 6,333 ✭✭✭bad2dabone


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    It's gas..

    He is literally on the TV asking other countries to interfere.

    Watch his defenders ignore the blatant and obvious corruption trump in engaged in. He's literally trying to normalise asking foreign governments to investigate a political rival for personal gain


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    #672
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,408 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    Straws? I was responding to your friend's idiotic post:

    But you incorrectly said impeachment was a coup. We explained why you were being idiotic.


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    #673
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    Overheal wrote: »
    It’s your assertion that because the whistleblower contacted the House intelligence committee that this is somehow ‘engineered?’


    Nope, it's not my assertion. How Cathy Newman-esque of you.


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    #674
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,408 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    Nope, it's not my assertion. How Cathy Newman-esque of you.

    So then why are you saying it was engineered?


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    #675
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    Well, that's stupid. I can now see why you believe CNN and MSNBC's talking points :pac:

    Stupid would be thinking that impeachment is a coup. I'm not sure what you mean with CNN and MSNBC but I have seen their names trotted out whenever certain posters fail to back up their argument.


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    #676
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    The CIA's primary mission is to collect, evaluate, and disseminate foreign intelligence to the president and senior US government policymakers so they can make informed national security decisions. And why was a CIA officer detailed INTO the White House? Seems the Deep State had their greasy hands in this. More the reason to know who this whistleblower is and what they were doing there.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #677
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Impeachment is procedure, a coup is a bypassing of procedure.


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    #678
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,408 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    The real reason for this whole charade is
    high crimes and misdemeanors


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    #679
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    Overheal wrote: »
    Because he knows what words mean?


    He looked up the definition of "coup" to see if it mentioned impeachment and you think he knows what words mean :pac:



    Christ lads, you have both been reduced to this already. Didnt think it would take this long. Then again, you do have nothing.


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    #680
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,408 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    The CIA's primary mission is to collect, evaluate, and disseminate foreign intelligence to the president and senior US government policymakers so they can make informed national security decisions. And why was a CIA officer detailed INTO the White House? Seems the Deep State had their greasy hands in this. More the reason to know who this whistleblower is and what they were doing there.

    You ask why the CIA Officer was detailed into the White House (an analyst) then immediately reach into your hat and declare (without knowing, because you just asked) that it was the deep state and greasy hands bla bla Soros!

    Come off it.


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    #681
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Impeachment is procedure, a coup is a bypassing of procedure.
    Is there a term for the abuse of procedures?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #682
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Stupid would be thinking that impeachment is a coup. I'm not sure what you mean with CNN and MSNBC but I have seen their names trotted out whenever certain posters fail to back up their argument.


    I dont think that impeachment is a coup. Again, are you feeling ok? This is basic enough.


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    #683
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,408 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Is there a term for the abuse of procedures?

    Which abuse?


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    #684
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    I dont think that impeachment is a coup. Again, are you feeling ok? This is basic enough.

    Then why are you calling this impeachment a coup?


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    #685
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Impeachment is procedure, a coup is a bypassing of procedure.


    And if your grounds for impeachment are baseless and invented to engineer impeachment, then it absolutely is a coup.


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    #686
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,408 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    And if your grounds for impeachment are baseless and invented to engineer impeachment, then it absolutely is a coup.

    Nope. You're being moronic.


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    #687
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,408 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    I dont think that impeachment is a coup.
    SJW Lover wrote: »
    Impeachment is absolutely a coup if it is being engineered.

    :rolleyes:

    At this point I wonder if you're just trying to spam the thread with your vapidness so others will not read through the substantial events that have unfolded over the last few days.


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    #688
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Then why are you calling this impeachment a coup?


    This impeachment. This one. You've spent the last number of posts trying to say i said an impeachment is a coup. I genuinely wonder at your comprehension skills.


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    #689
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,408 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    This impeachment. This one. You've spent the last number of posts trying to say i said an impeachment is a coup.
    SJW Lover wrote: »
    Impeachment is absolutely a coup if it is being engineered.

    :rolleyes:


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    #690
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    Overheal wrote: »
    :rolleyes:


    It is quite simple Overheal. Impeachment is a process and not, by its nature, a coup. However, if the impeachment process is being utilised in bad faith to engineer a change of president, then it can absolutely be called a coup. The disingenuousness of you two is unreal.


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    #691
    SJW Lover
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    Overheal wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    At this point I wonder if you're just trying to spam the thread with your vapidness so others will not read through the substantial events that have unfolded over the last few days.


    Says the man himself who turns into a disingenuous pedant when his opinions are being challenged.


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