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President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

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    #812
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    alastair wrote: »
    The investigation of Burisma activity was for the years before Biden’s son joined them. The motivation for firing the prosecutor was that he wasn’t actually prosecuting Burisma, amongst others suspected of corruption. He was corrupt himself.

    Timeline above.
    It was an ongoing investigation. Chris Heinz (stepson of John Kerry who was the presidential democrat nominee at one time) dissolved his working relationship with Hunter Biden because of concerns about corruption in the Ukraine and appearances when Biden joined Burisma iin 2013.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #813
    noel1980
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980


    alastair wrote: »
    The investigation of Burisma activity was for the years before Biden’s son joined them. The motivation for firing the prosecutor was that he wasn’t actually prosecuting Burisma, amongst others suspected of corruption. He was corrupt himself.

    Timeline above.

    So Joe Biden got the prosecutor fired for not investigating the corrupt company his son was working for getting lots of money from?

    That makes absolutely no sense.


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    #814
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭weisses


    noel1980 wrote: »
    So Joe Biden got the prosecutor fired for not investigating the corrupt company his son was working for getting lots of money from?

    That makes absolutely no sense.

    read the link I provided .... maybe it makes sense to you then , although I doubt it


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    #815
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,411 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Rep. Hurd (R-TX) says the texts are “damning.” Hurd sits on the House Intel Committee.

    https://www.mediaite.com/trump/house-intel-republican-texts-between-u-s-diplomats-about-trump-are-damning/

    He appears to be very much on board with this impeachment investigation

    Sen. Sasse (R-NE):

    “Hold up: Americans don’t look to Chinese commies for the truth,” Sasse said in a written statement to The World-Herald. “If the Biden kid broke laws by selling his name to Beijing, that’s a matter for American courts, not communist tyrants running torture camps.”

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/republican-senator-ben-sasse-condemns-trump-americans-dont-look-to-chinese-commies-for-the-truth/


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    #816
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    notobtuse wrote: »
    It was an ongoing investigation. Chris Heinz (stepson of John Kerry who was the presidential democrat nominee at one time) dissolved his working relationship with Hunter Biden because of concerns about corruption in the Ukraine and appearances when Biden joined Burisma iin 2013.

    It was an ongoing investigation into owed taxes from the years before Biden joined. Nothing that had anything to do with Biden’s tenure.


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    #817
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    noel1980 wrote: »
    So Joe Biden got the prosecutor fired for not investigating the corrupt company his son was working for getting lots of money from?

    That makes absolutely no sense.

    It was one of many investigations the prosecutor was sitting on. But it wouldn’t have impacted on Biden’s son anyway, as it related to owed taxes from earlier years.


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    #818
    [Deleted User]
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    Hilary Clinton with another hitter on twitter

    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1180127236957052930?s=09


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    #819
    noel1980
    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭noel1980


    alastair wrote: »
    It was an ongoing investigation into owed taxes from the years before Biden joined. Nothing that had anything to do with Biden’s tenure.

    No way. Even if he was "corrupt" as you say, I think he [Biden] wanted rid of him for other reasons.

    I doubt Biden cared much about the taxes. I even read that the replacement for Victor Shokin soon closed the case against Burisma.

    So it seems like Biden got exactly what he asked for.

    He dangled a billion dollars in front of them to fire the investigator who was going to investigate his son's company, and when he got what he wanted, they installed a puppet, to "wrap up" the investigation.

    Were the taxes even paid? :)


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    #820
    drunkmonkey
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    The plot thickens...

    https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1179962400554008576?s=19


    https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1179932368725041152?s=19


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    #821
    weisses
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    noel1980 wrote: »
    No way. Even if he was "corrupt" as you say, I think he [Biden] wanted rid of him for other reasons.

    I doubt Biden cared much about the taxes. I even read that the replacement for Victor Shokin soon closed the case against Burisma.

    So it seems like Biden got exactly what he asked for.

    He dangled a billion dollars in front of them to fire the investigator who was going to investigate his son's company, and when he got what he wanted, they installed a puppet, to "wrap up" the investigation.

    Were the taxes even paid? :)

    Fortunately what you think is completely irrelevant in this situation


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    #822
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    alastair wrote: »
    No he didn’t.
    Okay, technically not. It was deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, who worked for Comey, who testified that without the dossier, the original FISA warrant could not have been obtained by the FBI in October 2016. Comey signed off on the original application.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #823
    Veritas Libertas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Veritas Libertas


    Water John wrote: »
    Relying on an affidavit of a corrupt Ukranian prosecutor who was fired, yeah great foundation.

    Victim blaming? :pac:

    Imagine the sentence read, "relying on the affidavit of an embittererd woman who was fired from company" and the accusation was rape.


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    #824
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The plot thickens...

    It doesn't matter if the whistleblower turns out to be Hillary Clinton in person, what matters is the evidence which they based their complaint on.

    And since the White House went ahead and released the most damning bit of that evidence, we no longer even need the whistleblower.


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    #825
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The plot thickens...

    https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1179962400554008576?s=19


    https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1179932368725041152?s=19
    The least shocking news, ever. I wonder if he sought whistleblower status before Barr and Durham's report made him a target of a justice department investigation.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #826
    Overheal
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    noel1980 wrote: »
    No way. Even if he was "corrupt" as you say, I think he [Biden] wanted rid of him for other reasons.

    Based on what?
    I doubt Biden cared much about the taxes.

    Based on what?
    I even read that the replacement for Victor Shokin soon closed the case against Burisma.

    Which just reinforces that Shokin left it hanging open and stalled.
    So it seems like Biden got exactly what he asked for.

    He dangled a billion dollars in front of them to fire the investigator who was going to investigate his son's company, and when he got what he wanted, they installed a puppet, to "wrap up" the investigation.

    Were the taxes even paid? :)

    Biden did exactly what the GOP, State Dept, EU and IMF wanted him to.


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    #827
    Veritas Libertas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Veritas Libertas


    Overheal wrote: »
    Biden did exactly what the GOP, State Dept, EU and IMF wanted him to.

    I'm sure lots of people(american public) would have been happy to have an investigation open into Biden if they had known what Trump had known.


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    #828
    Overheal
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    Veritas Libertas wrote: »
    I'm sure lots of people(american public) would have been happy to have an investigation open into Biden if they had known what Trump had known.

    What did Trump know?


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    #829
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The plot thickens...

    https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1179962400554008576?s=19


    https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1179932368725041152?s=19

    None of those tweets contain a link to any such story and the guy doesn't even have a check mark so god knows what kind of twitter feed you have that sends that kind of stuff your way.

    Also, those tweets are from over 12 hours ago. No a big deal in itself but the Trump narrative has moved on from smearing the whistleblower. He is now at the "I have the right to do that thing I said I didn't do" stage of the story.

    And most importantly, almost everything from the whistle-blower's report has been confirmed and even repeated by Trump on live TV so trying to smear the whistle-blower at this point is a bit pointless.


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    #830
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Overheal wrote: »
    What did Trump know?

    Something about a physical server in Ukraine with emails on it and the secret airports of the american revolution.


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    #831
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    noel1980 wrote: »
    No way. Even if he was "corrupt" as you say, I think he [Biden] wanted rid of him for other reasons.

    I doubt Biden cared much about the taxes. I even read that the replacement for Victor Shokin soon closed the case against Burisma.

    So it seems like Biden got exactly what he asked for.

    He dangled a billion dollars in front of them to fire the investigator who was going to investigate his son's company, and when he got what he wanted, they installed a puppet, to "wrap up" the investigation.

    Were the taxes even paid? :)

    The case was closed after the taxes were paid.


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    #832
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Veritas Libertas wrote: »
    I'm sure lots of people(american public) would have been happy to have an investigation open into Biden if they had known what Trump had known.

    Trump clearly knows nothing. He’s desperately hanging on to debunked conspiracy theories and half baked conjecture, and trying to bully anyone to come up with some dirt to support any of them. Success to date - none.


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    #833
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    None of those tweets contain a link to any such story and the guy doesn't even have a check mark so god knows what kind of twitter feed you have that sends that kind of stuff your way.

    Also, those tweets are from over 12 hours ago. No a big deal in itself but the Trump narrative has moved on from smearing the whistleblower. He is now at the "I have the right to do that thing I said I didn't do" stage of the story.

    And most importantly, almost everything from the whistle-blower's report has been confirmed and even repeated by Trump on live TV so trying to smear the whistle-blower at this point is a bit pointless.
    But, but, but… I know a guy who knows a guy who heard from another guy who heard the same thing from someone with direct knowledge, maybe. That should be enough to start an official inquiry, right? Or is that standard only reserved for Democrats?

    But seriously, Paul Sperry is a very credible journalist and if these allegations are proven it blows up the Democrats case against Trump and is further evidence that Adam Schiff is an deceitful immoral manipulator who is causing great harm to the US for political purposes. He should immediately be thrown out of his chairmanship and the Intelligence Committee and be censured.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #834
    MadYaker
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    The Biden stuff is a distraction it’s disappointing to see so many posters here taking the bait. If there was anything to it the republicans would be falling over themselves to launch inquiries and investigations but they aren’t.


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    #835
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    MadYaker wrote: »
    The Biden stuff is a distraction it’s disappointing to see so many posters here taking the bait. If there was anything to it the republicans would be falling over themselves to launch inquiries and investigations but they aren’t.
    But two years of investigations and spending tens of millions of dollars investigating Trump based on a bogus dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC with help from Russian operatives was warranted, right?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #836
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    notobtuse wrote: »
    But, but, but… I know a guy who knows a guy who heard from another guy who heard the same thing from someone with direct knowledge, maybe. That should be enough to start an official inquiry, right? Or is that standard only reserved for Democrats?

    But seriously, Paul Sperry is a very credible journalist and if these allegations are proven it blows up the Democrats case against Trump and is further evidence that Adam Schiff is an deceitful immoral manipulator who is causing great harm to the US for political purposes. He should immediately be thrown out of his chairmanship and the Intelligence Committee and be censured.


    The whistle blower had direct knowledge and when Trump's version of transcript came out, it demonstrated that the whistleblower knew what he was talking about.


    And do you really think deceitful people should lose their jobs?


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    #837
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,208 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    notobtuse wrote: »
    But two years of investigations and spending tens of millions of dollars investigating Trump based on a bogus dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC with help from Russian operatives was warranted, right?

    I never said it was. The dems are trying to impeach trump. If Biden has committed crimes why isn’t the republican attorney general doing something about it, why isn’t the republican controlled senate launching an inquiry if it’s so serious?


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    #838
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    notobtuse wrote: »
    But two years of investigations and spending tens of millions of dollars investigating Trump based on a bogus dossier paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC with help from Russian operatives was warranted, right?


    I think you're mixing up a few different investigations there.


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    #839
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,411 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Breaking news from Microsoft about Iranian attempts to hack email accounts of 2020 election campaigns.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/technology/wp/2019/10/04/iran-linked-group-tried-to-hack-u-s-2020-presidential-campaigns-microsoft-says/


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    #840
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,411 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    https://twitter.com/mittromney/status/1180151213993730049?s=21


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    #841
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Mitt Romney wrote:
    "When the only American citizen President Trump singles out for China’s investigation is his political opponent........."

    Did another citizen brag publicly that when they were Vice President they had threatened to withhold $1Billion in foreign aid from a country until that country got rid of one of their prosecutors?

    Nah, didn't think so, Mitt.


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