President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

notobtuse

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Empty propaganda. Takes away your credibility, already in the negative. If you need resort to nonsense you've already lost the argument.

Just because you say it doesn't make it true. It is a kangaroo court.

New: Adam Schiff Pressured Witness To Change His Story And Accuse Trump Of Pressuring Ukraine

Democrat House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff reportedly pressed U.S. special representative to Ukraine Kurt Volker in a secret meeting on October 3 to say that President Donald Trump pressured Ukrainian officials to investigate former Vice President and current Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden.

“Volker denied that was the case, noting that Ukrainian leaders did not even know the aid was being withheld, and that they believed their relationship with the United States was moving along satisfactorily, without them having done anything Trump mentioned in his notorious July 25 phone conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky,” The Washington Examiner reported. “When Volker repeatedly declined to agree to Schiff’s characterization of events, Schiff said, ‘Ambassador, you’re making this much more complicated than it has to be.’”

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1184561901658767360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1184561901658767360&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redstate.com%2Fbonchie%2F2019%2F10%2F16%2Fnew-adam-schiff-pressed-witness-change-story-accuse-trump-pressuring-ukraine%2F

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/10/16/new-adam-schiff-pressed-witness-change-story-accuse-trump-pressuring-ukraine/

Adam Schiff Bans A Republican From The “Impeachment Hearings” As The Secrecy Continues

“Because there’s been no vote, Republicans continue to have no authority to participate and that’s showing here with Schiff’s latest move to ban Gaetz. Schiff shouldn’t even be part of this, as he’s not on the House Judiciary Committee. Instead, he’s being allowed to run point while Gaetz, who is on that committee, is being denied even basic access to what’s going on. In other words, this is a complete sham.”

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/10/14/adam-schiff-bans-republican-impeachment-hearings-secrecy-continues/

Overheal

Trump adds more emoluments charges as he announced G-7 to be held at his Miami resort rather than a government held location such as camp David as has been done in the past.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2019/10/17/trump-has-awarded-next-years-g-7-summit-of-world-leaders-to-his-miami-area-resort-the-white-house-said/

Rockbeast2

"New Gallup poll

Majority support impeaching and removing Trump from Office"

Where did I hear the polls not favoring Trump before?

Overheal

notobtuse wrote: »

Just because you say it doesn't make it true. It is a kangaroo court.

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1184561901658767360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1184561901658767360&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redstate.com%2Fbonchie%2F2019%2F10%2F16%2Fnew-adam-schiff-pressed-witness-change-story-accuse-trump-pressuring-ukraine%2F

https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/10/16/new-adam-schiff-pressed-witness-change-story-accuse-trump-pressuring-ukraine/


https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/10/14/adam-schiff-bans-republican-impeachment-hearings-secrecy-continues/

As I’m sure you were already told the other day: Gaetz doesn’t sit on any of those committees and had no standing to be in the hearings as confirmed by the parliamentarian. Democrats were similarly expelled from “secret” ie. Closed door hearings during the Benghazi witch hunt, for the same reason. Red State’s incredibly biased, clickbait language doesn’t change that.

And as I keep telling you every day now, you clearly don’t know how impeachment works if you thing an investigation is a trial or that the House of Congress is functioning as a court or handing down convictions. You might as well argue state prosecutors are captain kangaroos :rolleyes:

Rockbeast2

EVERY MEDIA OUTLET...

...in America is partisan.

Fair enough, but they hadn't planned for Trump.

When the Democratic playbook only has one play - try and impeach POTUS - they have already failed.

Trump will walk the next election. Easy/

Overheal

Disgraced ex Rep Pete Sessions subpoenaed as part of the SDNY probe into Giuliani

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/former-gop-rep-subpoenaed-by-grand-jury-in-sdny-probe-of-rudy-giuliani/

Cody montana

Mick Mulvaney is being interviewed live.

It's comical.

mcmoustache

Cody montana wrote: »

Mick Mulvaney is being interviewed live.

It's comical.

Did he just admit that aid was being held back because they wanted Ukraine to look into the 2016 matters?

Cody montana

mcmoustache wrote: »

Did he just admit that aid was being held back because they wanted Ukraine to look into the 2016 matters?

It sounded like it.
He said they do it all the time.

Trump will be furious.

Overheal

Mulvaney admits to QPQ: ‘we do that all the time’

https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-chief-of-staff-mick-mulvaney-admits-quid-pro-quo-we-do-that-all-the-time/

mcmoustache

It appears that yes, yes he did admit that the aid for Ukraine was held up to compel the Ukrainian government to look into the 2016 election. Then said that they do it all the time when it was pointed out that that was a quid pro quo.

This ties interestingly with.

Trump wrote:

There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

mcmoustache

Cody montana wrote: »

It sounded like it.
He said they do it all the time.

Trump will be furious.

Trump won't. But now his supporters are going to have to pivot to the "Quid-pro-quo is fine. They do it all the time. I never wrote reams of bullshít claiming that it wasn't a quid-pro-quo".

Cody montana

”So many people quit the Trump administration that Mick Mulvaney is both the Director for the Office of Management and Budget as well as the Acting White House Chief of Staff. That puts him in a unique position to implicate Trump for quid pro quo, which he just did on national TV.“

Now that’s funny.

Cody montana

mcmoustache wrote: »

Trump won't. But now his supporters are going to have to pivot to the "Quid-pro-quo is fine. They do it all the time. I never wrote reams of bullshít claiming that it wasn't a quid-pro-quo".

These people are the worst criminals ever.

Igotadose

Seems like there may be an FBI CounterIntelligence investigation into Giulani. The best people.

https://twitter.com/AshaRangappa_/status/1184540825155489793

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/fbi/466132-federal-giuliani-probe-includes-counterintelligence-concerns

(cue the "Deep state! FISA warrants!" screeching...)

Overheal

Appeals court will reopen case of Trump’s hotel just moments away from the WH

https://www.facebook.com/241061082705085/posts/1808261499318361?sfns=mo

mad muffin

Overheal wrote: »

Trump adds more emoluments charges as he announced G-7 to be held at his Miami resort rather than a government held location such as camp David as has been done in the past.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2019/10/17/trump-has-awarded-next-years-g-7-summit-of-world-leaders-to-his-miami-area-resort-the-white-house-said/

Trump gives zero fücks. Tells Dems try and convince anyone that this place isn’t better than Camp David.

Overheal

Trump surrogates are teasing an argument (one which was totally expected) that it is now “too close to an election” to impeach the president. No basis was offered for this reasoning other than alleging that ‘is what the founders intended’ but there is no evidence to support that.

This argument brought to you by the neocon who said, in 2003, it was okay to crush a child’s testicles and torture them for information if it was for national defense

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/legal-experts-roast-torture-memo-author-john-yoos-defense-of-donald-trump/

Overheal

mad muffin wrote: »

Trump gives zero fücks. Tells Dems try and convince anyone that this place isn’t better than Camp David.

That’s really not the point though is it.

“As direct and profound a violation of the emoluments clause as one could create”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/napolitano-on-doral-g7-as-direct-and-profound-a-violation-of-the-emoluments-clause-as-one-could-create/

drunkmonkey

Overheal wrote: »

Trump surrogates are teasing an argument (one which was totally expected) that it is now “too close to an election” to impeach the president. No basis was offered for this reasoning other than alleging that ‘is what the founders intended’ but there is no evidence to support that.

This argument brought to you by the neocon who said, in 2003, it was okay to crush a child’s testicles and torture them for information if it was for national defense

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/legal-experts-roast-torture-memo-author-john-yoos-defense-of-donald-trump/

There right in Theory he could be re-elected while the process is still ongoing. They can't just click their fingers and he's impeached as it's going to get bogged down in law at every corner.

James Brown

Also we don't want to be left with dead eyes religious extremist Pence in the WH.

mcmoustache

It's one thing for Trump fans to have spent their time arguing a Trump point only for the administration to make fools out of them later but it's quite another for anyone who went into those hearings trying to protect Trump. I'd imagine Sondland will have been a bit rattled afterwards, especially as the committee starts reading the transcript from today's presser.

Anyone with a memory should figure out the pattern that I described a few weeks ago.

mcmoustache wrote: »

My favourite thing about Trump is what he does to those defending him. It follows a certain pattern:

Papers: Trump did a thing.

Defenders: No he didn't do the thing. Hilary something. The left dur dur. Antifa.

Trump: I totally did the thing. It was beautiful. Many people say it was the best thing ever. Covfefe.

Defenders: It was super smart that he did the thing. I have no memory of what i said before but i'll just repeat what i read on dodgy Twitter accounts.

Everyone else: You people are dumb.

Overheal

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There right in Theory he could be re-elected while the process is still ongoing. They can't just click their fingers and he's impeached as it's going to get bogged down in law at every corner.

Doesn’t look like this will drag out nearly that long. McConnel is advising Senators to be ready for 6-days-a-week Impeachment trial proceedings come Thanksgiving.

There is also open the possibility Trump will resign before the House passes whatever articles they introduce, because this will be the last opportunity for a pardon; Nixon resigned before he could be impeached so Gerald Ford could pardon him for his crimes. Coin toss whether trump will opt for self-survival, suppose it will depend on the articles and whether the Senate thinks they can really toss them out, whereas Clinton was acquitted by a Republican controlled Senate.

mcmoustache

Overheal wrote: »

Doesn’t look like this will drag out nearly that long. McConnel is advising Senators to be ready for 6-days-a-week Impeachment trial proceedings come Thanksgiving.

Pelosi wants this done quickly too. I don't quite understand that though.


Since the impeachment was announced, Trump has been more erratic than usual and making a lot of unforced errors. The Republicans aren't even defending him in any meaningful way and many are outright angry about the Turkey stuff.


I would have thought it would be more effective to enforce the subpoenas that Trump has ordered the administration to ignore. This would mean going to court and since this is settled law, they will get them enforced. The upshot of all this is is that it will drag it out for a while, highlighting the criminality and let Trump walk on more rakes.


Maybe Pelosi's being too nice.

Overheal

Because they aren’t trying to drip drip drip this out the same way Benghazi was.

Ironically the thing most delaying this is Trumpworld defying subpoenas, including Giuliani. But that was also the same for the Mueller probe: the Trump strategy was to drag everything out as laboriously as possible, refuse testimony, refuse to supply documents, sue against the release of information, draw up legal arguments to stop people from testifying against him, and other obstruction of justice. Then go on twitter and tv and tell how this has been going on for months/years and how it’s a witch hunt because the investigators aren’t finding the things you’re hiding from them.

Igotadose

Overheal wrote: »

Because they aren’t trying to drip drip drip this out the same way Benghazi was.

Ironically the thing most delaying this is Trumpworld defying subpoenas, including Giuliani

Yeah, but unless they have a slam dunk (maybe they do, maybe they don't, plenty is being discussed privately,) it feels way too fast. 20 GOP Senators needed (assuming all the Democratic Senators vote to convict in the trial in the Senate.) Thanksgiving's just barely over a month away, no way that many GOP'ers feel enough pressure to break ranks. Personally expecting a few, maybe 5 or 6 to break ranks, but there are a lot of very weak people in politics and unless there's a big shift by a large bunch, it won't happen.

Only the Senate is in session from 1 November through 8 November. Holiday on 11 November. Thanksgiving recess is 23 November through 2 December. So, really not a lot of calendar work days to get much done here and it seems to me to be very unlikely to be ready to go to trial in November, basically Congress would likely have to finalize the charges by mid-November to get the senate 10 days to have the trial, assuming they don't change their recess schedule. Senate could choose not to break for Xmas, for example, and have the trial then. Ho-ho-ho happy holidays.

All this talk about doing this 'fast' might be just a ruse to ratchet up the pressure. I'm expecting the charges by the end of the year and a trial in the new year.

Overheal

Igotadose wrote: »

Yeah, but unless they have a slam dunk (maybe they do, maybe they don't, plenty is being discussed privately,) it feels way too fast. 20 GOP Senators needed (assuming all the Democratic Senators vote to convict in the trial in the Senate.) Thanksgiving's just barely over a month away, no way that many GOP'ers feel enough pressure to break ranks. Personally expecting a few, maybe 5 or 6 to break ranks, but there are a lot of very weak people in politics and unless there's a big shift by a large bunch, it won't happen.

Only the Senate is in session from 1 November through 8 November. Holiday on 11 November. Thanksgiving recess is 23 November through 2 December. So, really not a lot of calendar work days to get much done here and it seems to me to be very unlikely to be ready to go to trial in November, basically Congress would likely have to finalize the charges by mid-November to get the senate 10 days to have the trial, assuming they don't change their recess schedule. Senate could choose not to break for Xmas, for example, and have the trial then. Ho-ho-ho happy holidays.

All this talk about doing this 'fast' might be just a ruse to ratchet up the pressure. I'm expecting the charges by the end of the year and a trial in the new year.

Maybe but the hill thinks it’s thanksgiving right now. This isn’t really any faster than Clinton’s impeachment proceedings following the release of the Starr report.

mcmoustache

Mulvaney's statements today caught the WH by surprise. Jay Sekulow was less than impressed. It was described as "Not helpful".

mcmoustache

Unsurprisingly, Mulvaney was given a spanking by Sekulow and made to clarify that the quid pro quo was not about the DNC Server. Definitely not the server. No mention of Biden. I'm confused. Whet the fcuk is this sh!t?

drunkmonkey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHqgbK0Em8w

Can't wait until this whole crap show backfires spectacularly on the dims. Just another few weeks to wait.