President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

Overheal

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

Just because the Democrats would be the beneficiaries doesn't mean they have to be directly involved in a coup.
That is something only you have asserted anyway, not me.

So whose in the coup? Is this conversation secure?

Spencerfreeman

Overheal wrote: »

So whose in the coup? Is this conversation secure?

Lol, well I think they are now part of a criminal investigation, so it won't be long until you get your answer.

Overheal

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

Lol, well I think they are now part of a criminal investigation, so it won't be long until you get your answer.

Maybe!

I’ve asked this earlier in the thread broadly: if you found out Trump shot someone on 5th Avenue, would it matter if someone lied about it first? Like “omg he really DID do it” kinda way

Spencerfreeman

Overheal wrote: »

Maybe!

I’ve asked this earlier in the thread broadly: if you found out Trump shot someone on 5th Avenue, would it matter if someone lied about it first? Like “omg he really DID do it” kinda way

Well at least we now have a good idea of how the WaPo would frame the obituary of the guy on 5th.

Cody montana

NSC official to testify Trump undermined national security with Ukraine pressure
Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who oversees Ukraine policy at the White House, is to appear before impeachment investigators Tuesday.

Spencerfreeman

Cody montana wrote: »

NSC official to testify Trump undermined national security with Ukraine pressure
Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who oversees Ukraine policy at the White House, is to appear before impeachment investigators Tuesday.

I see the spin cycle is winding up in the media.
There are enough leakers for both sides in the NSC, should be entertaining.

MadYaker

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

I see the spin cycle is winding up in the media.
There are enough leakers for both sides in the NSC, should be entertaining.

There’s no spin here. It’s a member of the military doing what he thinks is right, testifying against the government while being a member of the military takes guts.

But hey it’s all part of the coup right? Never seen one of them happen through a court before

Spencerfreeman

MadYaker wrote: »

There’s no spin here. It’s a member of the military doing what he thinks is right, testifying against the government while being a member of the military takes guts.

But hey it’s all part of the coup right? Never seen one of them happen through a court before

There's no spin in the media?
I think you misunderstood what I meant. It was not a partisan comment.
He certainly can be described as a member of the military but he works in a spook division.
As for it being part of a coup, it's another potshot in a long line of potshots which will probably also miss.

Igotadose

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

There's no spin in the media?
I think you misunderstood what I meant. It was a partisan comment.
He certainly can be described as a member of the military but he works in a spook division.
As for it being part of a coup, it's another potshot in a long line of potshots which will probably also miss.

So, basically, you can say whatever you want if you support Trump? Truth be damned, for example. "Trump jumped through fire to save a newborn baby in an orphanage this weekend and the MSM refused to cover it!!!" Do I have that right?

Spencerfreeman

Igotadose wrote: »

So, basically, you can say whatever you want if you support Trump? Truth be damned, for example. "Trump jumped through fire to save a newborn baby in an orphanage this weekend and the MSM refused to cover it!!!" Do I have that right?

I meant both sides are going to be spinning like an indesit.

I don't "just support Trump", I try to peer through the non stop propaganda.

Do you write for the Washington Post?

Igotadose

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

I meant both sides are going to be spinning like an indesit.

I don't "just support Trump", I try to peer through the non stop propaganda.

Do you write for the Washington Post?

I'm trying to tell the difference between 'a partisan comment' and 'lie.'

Can you clarify? I think you meant, "The media will seize on this soldiers testimony and spin it the way they see fit." Is that correct?

Spencerfreeman

Igotadose wrote: »

I'm trying to tell the difference between 'a partisan comment' and 'lie.'

Can you clarify? I think you meant, "The media will seize on this soldiers testimony and spin it the way they see fit." Is that correct?

I had to edit my post, I meant non partisan.
Describing him as a soldier does not accurately reflect his position.
Of course they will.

Boggles

Cody montana wrote: »

NSC official to testify Trump undermined national security with Ukraine pressure
Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who oversees Ukraine policy at the White House, is to appear before impeachment investigators Tuesday.

He was one of the people who listened to the call and he reported his concerns to his superior at the time.

Has the inquiry subpoenaed the actual "transcript" of the call from the secure server?

Spencerfreeman

Boggles wrote: »

He was one of the people who listened to the call and he reported his concerns to his superior at the time.

Has the inquiry subpoenaed the actual "transcript" of the call from the secure server?

Does that mean he was the whistleblower?

Boggles

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

Does that mean he was the whistleblower?

No.

He has been asked to testify and will tell the inquiry the truth or the facts surrounding his concerns at the time according to reports.

Spencerfreeman

Boggles wrote: »

No.

He has been asked to testify and will tell the inquiry the truth or the facts surrounding his concerns at the time according to reports.

I'm not inclined to just take the word of someone that works for the NSA as truth.
They are not as an agency known for that.

Boggles

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

I'm not inclined to just take the word of someone that works for the NSA as truth.
They are not as an agency known for that.

Good for you.

Spencerfreeman

Boggles wrote: »

Good for you.

Thanks.

mcmoustache

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

I'm not inclined to just take the word of someone that works for the NSA as truth.
They are not as an agency known for that.

It's a good thing that the inquiry took closed door testimony. When you have multiple witnesses to the same events, especially when they don't know what each other testified, it becomes quite a lot easier to figure out who was lying and who was telling the truth.

Spencerfreeman

mcmoustache wrote: »

It's a good thing that the inquiry took closed door testimony. When you have multiple witnesses to the same events, especially when they don't know what each other testified, it becomes quite a lot easier to figure out who was lying and who was telling the truth.

Good job that phone wasn't in a call box, they'd have run out of air.

weisses

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

It obviously is.

Anytime there is an nefarious and unethical attempt at removing someone from power, by those who who themselves want that power, then that is of course an attempted coup.

Ohh yes ... Because when trump gets removed the tooth fairy will come along and with a sprinkle of fairy dust will appoint a democrat :rolleyes:

weisses

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

Jesus, you referenced Taylor, I posted a quote from Taylor and you quote an opinion.
Way to go.
You need to fact check yourself.

Could you provide the sources of your quotes and or transcript of the Taylor hearing ?

Overheal

The spin on the Lieutenant Colonel is he has an “affinity” for the Ukraine. Can’t make this stuff up. Late night Laura Ingraham on Fox ran a panel and suggested he was engaged in espionage even though it was this guys job evidently (?) to sit in on the call.

‘Up next: interpreter from closed door meeting between Trump and Putin reveals Trump sold nuclear secrets directly to Putin. Will America tolerate a filthy snitch as a presidential interpreter?’

mcmoustache

It's quite telling that smearing people is Trump's go-to whenever there's a credible allegation against him. I soon expect that same mindless smearing to get repeated here.

Spencerfreeman

weisses wrote: »

Could you provide the sources of your quotes and or transcript of the Taylor hearing ?

"Dr. Hackenbush from Hackensack?"

"No, Dr. Hackensack from Hackenbush."

Spencerfreeman

Overheal wrote: »

The spin on the Lieutenant Colonel is he has an “affinity” for the Ukraine. Can’t make this stuff up. Late night Laura Ingraham on Fox ran a panel and suggested he was engaged in espionage even though it was this guys job evidently (?) to sit in on the call.

‘Up next: interpreter from closed door meeting between Trump and Putin reveals Trump sold nuclear secrets directly to Putin. Will America tolerate a filthy snitch as a presidential interpreter?’

He's actually full blown Ukrainian.

mcmoustache

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

He's actually full blown Ukrainian.

Is that the worst smear that they could come up with? It's not great like.

thechewyone

Should Trump make Alberta part of the United States now? They want to separate from Corrupt Canada and if Donald sent a few hundred tanks and planes up near that border all pretty boy Trudeau would be sit there, crying and grovelling. Hopefully he acts quick with this, Wexit is happening and might be Trump's greatest win of them all!

weisses

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

"Dr. Hackenbush from Hackensack?"

"No, Dr. Hackensack from Hackenbush."

Ahh entering troll territory now it seems

I was actually interested where you got your info from ...

Overheal

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

He's actually full blown Ukrainian.

He’s lived in the US since age 3 and is a well-decorated Lieutenant Colonel in the US Army, who has served for over 20 years and bled for this country.