Club Championships 2019-20

RMAOK

A2LUE42 wrote: »

Great catch, but he threw the ball for the pass.

On the replay, yeah it looked thrown.

conor05

Borris have worked hard on the fist pumping since the munster final!!

zetecescort

Wides killing St Thomas, gone 10 min without a score

donnem33

I think Ballyhale would beat the pick of St Thomas's and Borris.

In the second game was disappointed with the performance of the county players on show with the exception of both Conor and Shane Cooney and to a lesser degree Brendan Maher.

Mantis Toboggan

Some point from brendan Maher with half a hurley from the sideline.

mountgomery burns

Brendan Maher was definitely better than Conor Cooney. And Dan McCormack played well too.

Basically, David Burke had another poor game. And Eanna Burke was well marked bar a spectacular goal, was always likely given he was the obvious danger from the County Final.

Joe_ Public

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Some point from brendan Maher with half a hurley from the sideline.

Did he take the previous free with the broken stick too? Twas some score alright. Spoke great sense afterwards too about moving the finals forward pre xmas.

donnem33

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Brendan Maher was definitely better than Conor Cooney. And Dan McCormack played well too.

Basically, David Burke had another poor game. And Eanna Burke was well marked bar a spectacular goal, was always likely given he was the obvious danger from the County Final.

Maher got a great point from play with the last puck and struck the frees well - he didnt do much of note apart from that though.

Mantis Toboggan

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Did he take the previous free with the broken stick too? Twas some score alright. Spoke great sense afterwards too about moving the finals forward pre xmas.

Think he might have broke it taking the free, made a great block down from the keeper.

Mantis Toboggan

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1213874084263743492?s=19

Joe_ Public

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Brendan Maher was definitely better than Conor Cooney. And Dan McCormack played well too.

Basically, David Burke had another poor game. And Eanna Burke was well marked bar a spectacular goal, was always likely given he was the obvious danger from the County Final.

Agree. But difference apart from thomas' wides was borrisoleighs other players showed up. Conor Kenny great, jj very good and though he hurled well throughout and was great on frees i still thought brendan was probably only the third best maher on the field today. Ray McCormack also put in a big shift.

Will be a big price for the final but pressure will be on shamrocks again.

Clonmel1000

donnem33 wrote: »

Maher got a great point from play with the last puck and struck the frees well - he didnt do much of note apart from that though.

I’m sure Brendan won’t mind your views on him “not doing much of note” today as he gets ready to play an All Ireland club final 9 months after coming back from a career threatening injury oh and winning an all star and the small matter of winning an All Ireland with his county 4 months ago.

donnem33

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

I’m sure Brendan won’t mind your views on him “not doing much of note” today as he gets ready to play an All Ireland club final 9 months after coming back from a career threatening injury oh and winning an all star and the small matter of winning an All Ireland with his county 4 months ago.

Agree with the above and I am actually a great admirer of him, think hes a fantastic hurler. I was referring to todays performance and another poster in which they felt he had a great game. I thought he was poor in general play. Just my opinion. Maybe I just expect too much from county hurlers. Thought David Burke had a bad game too

mountgomery burns

donnem33 wrote: »

Maher got a great point from play with the last puck and struck the frees well - he didnt do much of note apart from that though.

His first point at the start of the game was as good as was scored on the day. Thought he played well, again I would say better than Conor Cooney who also played well.

I think David Burke was the only real disappointing County Player, shipped a belt early on maybe it took its toll. Though personally thing his legs are gone, looked that way for Galway for the last while to be honest.

Entertaining game hopefully the final delivers the same.

robbiezero

County players are generally fairly well man-marked too. TJ Reid was also fairly quiet for Ballyhale as was Mullen.
Often the winning of the clubs games at this level is how well the teams non-inter county players do. And in that Borris had the better backup today.
Colin Fennelly probably the best of them I/C on view today, as always massively helped by not having the over-carrying rule applied to him.

Legalfarmer89

robbiezero wrote: »

County players are generally fairly well man-marked too. TJ Reid was also fairly quiet for Ballyhale as was Mullen.
Often the winning of the clubs games at this level is how well the teams non-inter county players do. And in that Borris had the better backup today.
Colin Fennelly probably the best of them I/C on view today, as always massively helped by not having the over-carrying rule applied to him.

This is true but I would add that it is often the Club player who has some county experience but is no longer county(or a former county minor) who can make the difference in these matches when your star player isn't turning it on.

David Burke had a poor day at the office but James Regan and Shane Cooney played very well for Thomas's but over all they made alot of errors i.e. short puckouts gone wrong, missing frees and a huge number of wides. When there was three points in it in towards end of the game they were messing around with short puckouts/passing around their own goal line and got caught for 2 points I think, madness! They can have no complaints. I couldn't see them turning around the 20 point deficit Ballyhale bet them by last year.

Borris-Illeigh have a fine team, Ray McCormack and Dan McCormack played well defensively and they have a couple of lively forwards. Conor Kenny and Kevin Maher really stood up when they needed scores.

Ballyhale weren't any great shakes for a good bit of their match today and if Borris can reel of a few scores then they will be hard bet and they have a bit of xfactor i.e. Brendan Maher.

conor05

Legalfarmer89 wrote: »

This is true but I would add that it is often the Club player who has some county experience but is no longer county(or a former county minor) who can make the difference in these matches when your star player isn't turning it on.

David Burke had a poor day at the office but James Regan and Shane Cooney played very well for Thomas's but over all they made alot of errors i.e. short puckouts gone wrong, missing frees and a huge number of wides. When there was three points in it in towards end of the game they were messing around with short puckouts/passing around their own goal line and got caught for 2 points I think, madness! They can have no complaints. I couldn't see them turning around the 20 point deficit Ballyhale bet them by last year.

Borris-Illeigh have a fine team, Ray McCormack and Dan McCormack played well defensively and they have a couple of lively forwards. Conor Kenny and Kevin Maher really stood up when they needed scores.

Ballyhale weren't any great shakes for a good bit of their match today and if Borris can reel of a few scores then they will be hard bet and they have a bit of xfactor i.e. Brendan Maher.

That last paragraph will have no bearing in Croke Park.

Ballyhale didn’t really get going in the semi final against Ballygunner last year either.

Their forwards have a lot of experience in Croke Park and I expect them to win by 6 or 7 pts.

Mantis Toboggan

Ballyhale will be strong favourites for the final and rightly so they're a serious outfit.

Borrisoleigh are in bonus territory, they were 4th or 5th favorites for the tipp title this year.

Having said that no doubt Johnny Kelly will have a plan, so I wouldn't rule out the impossible.

iebamm2580

Think players should stand off colin fennelly and leave him run a bit to highlight even more his overcarrying, its ridiculous at this stage that refs havent pulled him on it, just flail your arms and run until your hearts content and no ref will blow you seems to be the way to go.

Grats

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Think players should stand off colin fennelly and leave him run a bit to highlight even more his overcarrying, its ridiculous at this stage that refs havent pulled him on it, just flail your arms and run until your hearts content and no ref will blow you seems to be the way to go.

If players stand off him, Fennelly will make hay as he won't be continuously fouled. He's constantly being pulled and dragged and not getting fair play from refs at any level.

iebamm2580

Grats wrote: »

If players stand off him, Fennelly will make hay as he won't be continuously fouled. He's constantly being pulled and dragged and not getting fair play from refs at any level.

If players stand off him they will notice he actually cant hurl, much easier to stop him by hooking then wrestling him.

teamddr

Was at the match today
Fennelly could have carried the ball out of the park and down to warrenpoint and he wasn’t getting blew for it
The ref did fine today but Ballyhale got the marginal calls near the end

iebamm2580

Thought horgan favoured ballyhale and as a tipp man that annoyed me know end.

FanLarkin12

iebamm2580 wrote: »

If players stand off him they will notice he actually cant hurl, much easier to stop him by hooking then wrestling him.

What was your opinion on the tackle on Tj Reid the first half he was totally taken out of it

mountgomery burns

In fairness there's no doubt he should have been pulled up for the goal at the end but time was up and Ballyhale had the game won realistically.

Centrepassage

Fair play to the borris illigh boys. Went into the match as a neutral but from early onwards gone totally off the immature st Thomas's supporters in the left end of the stand constantly booing ronan maher everything he was taking a free. Was really surprised given how rural there club is. Like every neutral around me was delighted to see them shut up in the end.

conor05

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Thought horgan favoured ballyhale and as a tipp man that annoyed me know end.

Any 50/50 calls Ballyhale got them. Slaughtneil were tackling hard but some of the frees were soft and TJ pointed.

It was like Horgan didn’t want an upset to happen on his watch, strange refereeing performance more so than poor.

Mantis Toboggan

conor05 wrote: »

It was like Horgan didn’t want an upset to happen on his watch, strange refereeing performance more so than poor.

Was surprised with Horgan, he's usually on the ball with players over carrying.

iebamm2580

FanLarkin12 wrote: »

Same thing you are not able to answer the question.[/QUOTE

So was hogan deservedly sent off in the final?

Grats

Current All Star Colin Fennelly got MOTM. Terrific performance showing guts and courage despite been constantly fouled. Well deserved award.

zetecescort

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Think players should stand off colin fennelly and leave him run a bit to highlight even more his overcarrying, its ridiculous at this stage that refs havent pulled him on it, just flail your arms and run until your hearts content and no ref will blow you seems to be the way to go.

Sure Paudie Maher has made a career of doing much the same

iebamm2580

zetecescort wrote: »

Sure Paudie Maher has made a career of doing much the same

Do you watch hurling? Did you not see Sean Cleere in the semi final against wexford blow twice against him, so no he does not get treated the same as fennelly does,

JJs Left Hand

iebamm2580 wrote: »

He dropped the head in the all-ireland final but then again 13 other kilkenny lads did the same.

Its a Sunday night, 6 months after the AI


Delighted it's Shamrocks - Borrisoleigh in the final. Obviously as a Kilkenny man I want Shamrocks to win but Brendan Maher is one of the good guys and I really like Paddy Stapleton as well so happy for Borrisoleigh.

Grats

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Its a Sunday night, 6 months after the AI lad - take a break yea.


Delighted it's Shamrocks - Borrisoleigh in the final. Obviously as a Kilkenny man I want Shamrocks to win but Brendan Maher is one of the good guys and I really like Paddy Stapleton as well so happy for Borrisoleigh.

I second that.

It was so pleasing to witness so many on the pitch after the match today in Newry show their appreciation and admiration for the Shamrocks players, and indeed Henry. They must have spent up to an hour getting photos, autographs etc.

corner back 2

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Do you watch hurling? Did you not see Sean Cleere in the semi final against wexford blow twice against him, so no he does not get treated the same as fennelly does, Sean Cleere is a special guy though i suppose.

Are you trying to imply something about Sean Cleere? No need for that comment at all.

iebamm2580

corner back 2 wrote: »

Are you trying to imply something about Sean Cleere? No need for that comment at all.

Every need to mention one of the worst refereeing displays in history.

corner back 2

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Every need to mention one of the worst refereeing displays in history.

No need for the implication in your comment when you call him a special guy.

iebamm2580

corner back 2 wrote: »

No need for the implication in your comment when you call him a special guy.

Speical ref was the insinuation as in being biased which i cant say openly as i will get a warning now. but anyway enough kilkenny lads i have wound up tonight so best of luck to borris but hard to see them beating a brilliant ballyhale team, they need a hurricane of a day to bring it into a dog fight to have much hope i feel.

Billy Ocean

Grats wrote: »

Current All Star Colin Fennelly got MOTM. Terrific performance showing guts and courage despite been constantly fouled. Never gave up or dropped the head. Well deserved award.

i don't think he gets constantly fouled,i actually think he constantly fouls. Also when he's bottled up in the square he's like a back row in rugby trying to force his way over the tryline, doesn't even attempt to play the ball.

Bonniedog

Great show by Slaughtneil. Far more to them than just being dogged as some made out.

Saw them against Cuala a few years back and they were pretty dirty and have mostly left that aside. Don't think ref was a factor really. Let everything that wasn't dangerous go and dealt with other stuff in dead ball time. Should get more big games.

corner back 2

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Speical ref was the insinuation as in being biased which i cant say openly as i will get a warning now. but anyway enough kilkenny lads i have wound up tonight so best of luck to borris but hard to see them beating a brilliant ballyhale team, they need a hurricane of a day to bring it into a dog fight to have much hope i feel.

Doesn't matter where I'm from, not a bit wound up just not letting anyone away with a comment like that. Fairly obvious what you were implying but justify away to you hearts content, the comment is there for all to read and make up their own mind.

Gentleman Off The Pitch

Billy Ocean wrote: »

i don't think he gets constantly fouled,i actually think he constantly fouls. Also when he's bottled up in the square he's like a back row in rugby trying to force his way over the tryline, doesn't even attempt to play the ball.

He is constantly being fouled while winning possession, look at his battles with Liam Ryan this year. Ryan had zero interest in the ball yet Fennelly got little protection from ref. Fennelly does, like most forwards in todays game, gets away with steps while being tackled and as for barging, yeah he has been lucky not to get penalized on occasion but again if it looks like he is being fouled you can see why gets the benefit of the doubt. When Liam Rushe does the same and worse everyone sings his praises. Fennelly should have had four (excellent) goals today, (which is not bad going for someone who cannot hurl according to one of the Tipp geniuses on here) and as far as i recall only for one of those instances could an accusation of over carrying be levelled.

iebamm2580

Once again the black and amber tinted glasses are out for the whole country to see. He fouls the ball simple as, stop trying to deflect onto other players, 2 wrongs dont make a right. As for his hurling- agricultural is the nice term to use i suppose.

Grats

Billy Ocean wrote: »

i don't think he gets constantly fouled,i actually think he constantly fouls. Also when he's bottled up in the square he's like a back row in rugby trying to force his way over the tryline, doesn't even attempt to play the ball.

We'll have to agree to differ so.

MOTM today and current All Star ain't bad.

Billy Ocean

Grats wrote: »

We'll have to agree to differ so.

MOTM today and current All Star ain't bad.

the players around him help big time in that shamrocks team, taught he was lucky enough to get an all star, 3 or 4 deserved it ahead of him, McDonald, rory o'connor, Mullen and john donnelly all spring to mind.

Billy Ocean

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

He is constantly being fouled while winning possession, look at his battles with Liam Ryan this year. Ryan had zero interest in the ball yet Fennelly got little protection from ref. Fennelly does, like most forwards in todays game, gets away with steps while being tackled and as for barging, yeah he has been lucky not to get penalized on occasion but again if it looks like he is being fouled you can see why gets the benefit of the doubt. When Liam Rushe does the same and worse everyone sings his praises. Fennelly should have had four (excellent) goals today, (which is not bad going for someone who cannot hurl according to one of the Tipp geniuses on here) and as far as i recall only for one of those instances could an accusation of over carrying be levelled.

for the record i don't think he's the only one doing it. Himself, conor whelan, maurice shanahan, liam rushe, paidi maher and paddy deegan all spring to mind. Sense you're bringing up some of the great battles himself and Ryan have had perfect example in last years leinster final, the penalty claim ye had in the 2nd half, it wasn't a penalty it was a free out, before the ball had been delivered Fennelly was grabbing ryans hurl. Fennelly to me is actually a limited hurler who relies on his fantastic strength, power and athleticism.

Another scourge on hurling is the amount of illegal handpassing, although a brilliant finish definitely 1 in the build up to the st thomas goal today

Bonniedog

Fennelly is Tony Doran reincarnate! I like watching players like him, except when Dublin are at the receiving end!

Its like Callaghan in football, and hurling for that matter. If a lad is big and brave and wins his own ball then it is up to opponents to stop him. They take plenty of punishment in fairness and don't lie down.

And he gave a great interview afterwards. Not a man with a big head I would say.

Grats

Billy Ocean wrote: »

the players around him help big time in that shamrocks team, taught he was lucky enough to get an all star, 3 or 4 deserved it ahead of him, McDonald, rory o'connor, Mullen and john donnelly all spring to mind.

Rather Fennelly helps the players around him by taking the hits and making room for his colleagues. He had a super year in 2019 both for club and county which was correctly recognised by an impartial panel of hurling people. He didn't chose an All Star for himself.

Hurling folk from the North of Ireland in Newry today surrounded Shamrocks players after the final whistle shaking the players hands and seeking autographs and photos. And clearly delighted to do so. Pity the cameras didn't pick it up.

Billy Ocean

Grats wrote: »

Rather Fennelly helps the players around him by taking the hits and making room for his colleagues. He had a super year in 2019 both for club and county which was correctly recognised by an impartial panel of hurling people. He didn't chose an All Star for himself.

Hurling folk from the North of Ireland in Newry today surrounded Shamrocks players after the final whistle shaking the players hands and seeking autographs and photos. And clearly delighted to do so. Pity the cameras didn't pick it up.

to sum him up hes a handful who gets alot of assistance for referees

Grats

Billy Ocean wrote: »

to sum him up hes a handful who gets alot of assistance for referees

You better take it up with the refs so and the All Star selectors. I'm sure they'd take notice of your wisdom.