Another split - Paul Murphy leaves the Socialist Party

elderberry

Tell me how wrote: »

I don't have much time for him but it seems his position was that they should try to get involved with policy conversations with the likes of SF and the Greens.

Hard to disagree with him in that respect, you're never going to build any sort of socialist group of any standing if you consistently try to have everything done only the way you and your one or two mates want to do it.

Wonder if the Greens would have talked him around on water charges?

TheShow

It’s a pity he doesn’t step down from life.

endacl

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Splitter!!!

He’s not a splitter. He’s a very naughty boy.

splinter65

Is the new party called The People After The People Before Profit?
PATPBP?

alias no.9

Perhaps he's got a future in Westminster, got a track record of leaving.

Yer Da sells Avon

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Imagine being Paul Murphys age and believing in socialism.

Imagine being any age and believing in the policies and parties that gave us the economic crash and the current housing crisis.

splinter65

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Imagine being any age and believing in the policies and parties that gave us the economic crash and the current housing crisis.

One of these bright new mornings someone is going to find something that’s better then capitalism, but it’s not going to be socialism.
Socialism is the only political concept that relies on another political concept (capitalism) to even exist.

Hotblack Desiato

CrankyHaus wrote: »

But, he's dedicated himself to something he believes in for rather meagre reward

Meagre reward, my arse!

100k for a part time job - plus tax free "expenses"

The far Left called out Irish Water as the crony stuffed, inefficient Quango

Yet they figured out the water departments of the various councils had 4000 posts more than were required to do their job...

Fanny Wank

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Imagine being any age and believing in the policies and parties that gave us the economic crash and the current housing crisis.

One can poke derision at Socialism but not believe Capitalism is a cult, with all aspects to be followed to a T. Similar to Churchill saying democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried.

It's like people, expressing (dis)agreement with one thing a person says doesn't mean you (dis) agree with every utterance out of their mouth

suicide_circus

Capitalism needs to be restrained by socialism and vice versa.

Ruraldweller56

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Imagine being any age and believing in the policies and parties that gave us the economic crash and the current housing crisis.

Boom!!!

It WaS dA bAnKs!!!

There's always one. At least.

Portsalon

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Imagine being any age and believing in the policies and parties that gave us the economic crash and the current housing crisis.

If there was a viable alternative, then I'd gladly consider voting for it.

But a failed political ideology led by balding little turd with a megaphone in his hand and a clueless bint waving a thong around the Dáil, appeal to me about as much as eating a meal of raw slug washed down with rat's piss.

Galwayguy35

Wallace actually talked a lot of sense and he did uncover quite a bit of wrong doing but at the same time he was a property developer that the hard left despise so much, Daly was nothing but a hypocrite to sit beside him evry day in the Dail while tearing strips off others like him for ruining the country.

He also pledged to pay back all his debts when first elected but then when he got in the second time said he wouldn't bother.

As for this thing about Shannon, sure we know the US military stop over but apart from the looney left no one cares, it also brings a bit of money to the mid west.

Galwayguy35

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Imagine being any age and believing in the policies and parties that gave us the economic crash and the current housing crisis.

Yesh sure lets put the shinners and the hard left in next time, all will be solved then won't it comrade.

begsbyOnaTrain

I don't respect Paul Murphy's politics, his beliefs, his contribution to national discourse or his own personal convictions BUT I do admire that unlike a lot of men his age, his weight is well in check and he's not a fat arse.

CrankyHaus

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Yet they figured out the water departments of the various councils had 4000 posts more than were required to do their job...

Irish Water continues to use the Water Departments of every Local Authority to do its work, under contract.

It's no more efficient than the pre existing system, in fact it is the pre existing system with several additional layers of extraneous bureaucracy and spin merchants.

granturismo

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Imagine being Paul Murphys age and believing in socialism.

Its very easy to latch on to socialism when he was brought up in a comfortable lifestyle, sharpened his survival instincts as a student on the mean streets of UCD, the European Parliament (unelected?) and then on a TD's salary, 'forced' to pay property tax on his €250,000 apartment in Ballinteer when decided to live amongst the proletariat in Tallaght.

The epitome of a champagne socialist.

Galwayguy35

I wonder has he still got his megaphone.

"Peaceful protest"

JohnnyFlash

begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »

I don't respect Paul Murphy's politics, his beliefs, his contribution to national discourse or his own personal convictions BUT I do admire that unlike a lot of men his age, his weight is well in check and he's not a fat arse.

He tends to spend his summers in Cuba observing the revolution. Simple food and the outdoor life are good for keeping in shape. I’d say he has stopped going to Venezuela these days as things are a bit dodge around there for a gringo.

Ruraldweller56

granturismo wrote: »

Its very easy to latch on to socialism when he was brought up in a comfortable lifestyle, sharpened his survival instincts as a student on the mean streets of UCD, the European Parliament (unelected?) and then on a TD's salary, 'forced' to pay property tax on his €250,000 apartment in Ballinteer when decided to live amongst the proletariat in Tallaght.

The epitome of a champagne socialist.

iT wAz Da BaNkS cOmRaDe!!! Da BaAaAaAaNkSsSsS!!!

JohnnyFlash

The ultimate nightmare for most socialists would be actually having to work in a socialist workers republic.

facehugger99

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The ultimate nightmare for most socialists would be actually having to work in a socialist workers republic.

The bold Paul is very much one of the 'spend other people's money' brand of socialists.

Greyfox

Portsalon wrote: »

But a failed political ideology led by balding little turd with a megaphone in his hand and a clueless bint waving a thong around the Dáil, appeal to me about as much as eating a meal of raw slug washed down with rat's piss.

Someone try's to offer an alternative to FF/FG, not a great alternative but still at least someone is trying and this is the way people react. And people actually wonder why FF/FG continue to ruin the country

facehugger99

Greyfox wrote: »

Someone try's to offer an alternative to FF/FG, not a great alternative but still at least someone is trying and this is the way people react. And people actually wonder why FF/FG continue to ruin the country

FF/FG regularly get elected because they are the least worst option come the time to cast your ballot.

Ironically, it's arseholes like Murphy that exacerbate the issue regarding a lack of real alternatives that you're complaining about.

I'll hold my nose and vote FF/FG any day before I'd give him or any of his hard-left fellow travelers a transfer.

petronius

To paraphrase Tony Benn, "The problem is there is too many socialist parties and not enough socialists!"

So Paul Murphy who was in a party(SP) which is in an alliance(AAA/Solidarity) which is also in an alliance(Solidarity-PBP) with another alliance (PBP mostly SWP), is leaving to form another party/movement which will still be in one of these alliances.:)

Fattybojangles

Any socialist governments in world history that I'm aware of it was compulsory to work unless you were unable to do so paying people to sit around and do nothing and scrounge off others work is yet another evil of capitalism along with hideous inequality etc etc. To address the topic at hand Murohy is colossal arsehole but on this issue he is correct by trying to build a left consensus and not standing in ideological purity like taafe and his band of geriatrics in London.

victor8600

Portsalon wrote: »

If there was a viable alternative, then I'd gladly consider voting for it....

Like a capitalism where failing banks are allowed to go bust and corrupt bankers go to jail? And don't tell me that we had to bail them out to save pension funds and personal savings -- we could guarantee those for a fraction of the cost.

Topgear on Dave

There are great posts above about the splits in the hard leftys.

Please also take into account that they are doing this while on the back benches and they have responsibility for Nothing.

Can you imagine them trying to put a budget together, or trying to take the really serious decisions on health projects? They'd be useless....

Hotblack Desiato

Portsalon wrote: »

a clueless bint waving a thong around the D, appeal to me about as much as eating a meal of raw slug washed down with rat's piss.

She's not right about much but she was right about this

It's totally unacceptable that what a rape victim was wearing can be brought up in court to imply that "she was asking for it". It's not the 1970s any more.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Wallace actually talked a lot of sense and he did uncover quite a bit of wrong doing

Did plenty of wrongdoing himself too.

padd b1975

padd b1975 wrote: »

Lol.

They really are beyond ridicule at this stage.

I suspect the smug little twerp thinks the 1% they're currently running at in the polls doesn't apply to him and wants to distance himself before an election.

I had the misfortune of dealing with this obnoxious idiot over the phone in a previous position. Like all the far left, a total and utter hypocrite and spoofer