Do you feel guilty that your drug use is fueling gangland crime?

JohnnyFlash

I take drugs max 10 times a year, and I’ll admit I care more about the quality than who supplied it or where it came from.

Greyfox

I don't support murderers but a lot of people in Ireland do.

I think anybody who regularly takes illegal drugs has blood on there hands as there supporting gangland crime. I personally think people who regularly take the likes of Cocaine and Heroin are horrible people.

The simple absolute fact is if the demand wasnt so high there would be less people been killed. I think its idiotic for people to compare it to gold, timber, coffee or knickers as drugs is clearly a level above this, what the cartels do to innocent people is a lot worse than paying people peanuts for making underwear and iphone parts. Drugs been illigal is not ideal but there's good reasons to keep the likes of Heroin and Cocaine illegal.

One More Toy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I used to take drugs. I still do, but I used to, too.

Mitch hedburg

snotboogie

mr_fegelien wrote: »

True but your wrong that Speed is given out. Not here in Ireland. In fact one of my American friends who has ADHD and found difficulty getting methylphenidate (Ritalin) said, if a doctor prescribes you ADHD meds in Ireland, he's probably fake.

Doctors here and in the U.K. are reluctant to give opioids to cancer patients, nevermind ADHD meds to kids.

Really? I was given opioids after a minor surgery in 2011. Not related to any long term illness and I was out the next day.

mr_fegelien

snotboogie wrote: »

Really? I was given opioids after a minor surgery in 2011. Not related to any long term illness and I was out the next day.

Which ones? Oxycontin (oxycodone), Oramorph (morphine sulfate), Nurofen Plus (codeine)?

snotboogie

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Which ones? Oxycontin (oxycodone), Oramorph (morphine sulfate), Nurofen Plus (codeine)?

Oxy

marcbrophy

Nice try narc!
Hey everyone, the OP's a narc!
*shiftyeyes.gif*

harry Bailey esq

HorrorScope wrote: »

Meanwhile in illegal tobacco land, I can get a 50G pouch of rolling tobacco for 15e. I haven't bought tobacco products in a shop for at least 4 years and I never will again - there is limits to what people will put up with and we are far past that line in regards to tobacco.

Expensive pints I can just about tolerate but de gubberment seriously take the piss with cigs and tobacco. We went away last month and we stocked up to our full allowance, 40 pouches of amber between us and the cost was €480. I go through roughly 1 pouch a week so I should be good until April/May. That saving almost covers the flights and accommodation

hatrickpatrick

Not remotely, the buck stops with those who think they have a right to criminalise what one does with one's own bodies and thus give rise to all the sh!t which follows on from that idiotic and immoral standpoint.

AllForIt

Greyfox wrote: »

I think anybody who regularly takes illegal drugs has blood on there hands as there supporting gangland crime. I personally think people who regularly take the likes of Cocaine and Heroin are horrible people.

By that logic then making it illegal also causes the drug turf wars (indisputable) therefore those who made it illegal also have blood on their hands.

And erm I hate to point out the obvious but the people who have blood on their hands are the people who literally have blood on their hands.

The simple absolute fact is if the demand wasnt so high there would be less people been killed. I think its idiotic for people to compare it to gold, timber, coffee or knickers as drugs is clearly a level above this, what the cartels do to innocent people is a lot worse than paying people peanuts for making underwear and iphone parts. Drugs been illigal is not ideal but there's good reasons to keep the likes of Heroin and Cocaine illegal.

The less simple but yet still simple fact of the matter is providing a product creates a demand. No one would have ever conceived of a use for a home computer back in the day until a company invented them and pushed them on society. Drug pushers are called pushers for a reason.

In recent times I have heard the usual champagne socialists talk about throwing middle class cocaine users in jail, in stark contrast to taking a holistic/sympathetic approach to those who actually deal and kill as seen in London particularity. I find this attitude frankly disturbing and am aghast any anyone who espouses similar views.

MadYaker

sasta le wrote: »

How ye get the drugs in?

An Post deliver most of my stuff, I’d imagine it’s the same here.

MadYaker

Greyfox wrote: »

I don't support murderers but a lot of people in Ireland do.

I think anybody who regularly takes illegal drugs has blood on there hands as there supporting gangland crime. I personally think people who regularly take the likes of Cocaine and Heroin are horrible people.

The simple absolute fact is if the demand wasnt so high there would be less people been killed. I think its idiotic for people to compare it to gold, timber, coffee or knickers as drugs is clearly a level above this, what the cartels do to innocent people is a lot worse than paying people peanuts for making underwear and iphone parts. Drugs been illigal is not ideal but there's good reasons to keep the likes of Heroin and Cocaine illegal.

Do you think getting everyone on the planet to stop taking drugs is realistically achievable?

Justin Credible Darts

it is one thing for scumbags to be taking illegal drugs, but when you have the educated like solicitors, judges, cops etc who are more aware of the damage the drug trade is doing, be the ones doing lines at parties then its no wonder the drug trade will grow

As for the legal drugs like fags and drink, the government is raping the people for that

mr_fegelien

Anyone here take benzos?

I find that they were the route into my drug use (polydrug use). Anyway I take mostly, codeine, alcohol, nicotine and pseudo.

Greyfox

AllForIt wrote: »

By that logic then making it illegal also causes the drug turf wars (indisputable) therefore those who made it illegal also have blood on their hands.

It's still the lesser of 2 evils. Making drugs legal just means other young people die and more problems for society.

MadYaker wrote: »

Do you think getting everyone on the planet to stop taking drugs is realistically achievable?

No, never going to happen.

Greyfox

Greyfox wrote: »

It's still the lesser of 2 evils. Making drugs legal just means other young people die and more problems for society.

What about all the young people that die because they take ecstasy pills contaminated with PMA? (These account for the vast majority of “ecstasy” deaths, a direct result of prohibition)

What about all the people who die from other drugs because they’ve no clue about reasonable dosages as they were never given any harm reduction education beyond “Just don’t do it” -funny that same slogan years ago was seen as the best way to practice safe sex and avoid STIs, yet now can be recognised for how stupid and naive it is.

If they want to, people are gonna do it regardless. It’s better they have some actual substantive harm reduction methods, and product from a legitimate source, which can then also provide revenue to the exchequer.

andekwarhola

It's ironic that people always focus on drugs as an example when so much of what we take for granted in our so called first world lifestyles is predicated on the misery and exploitation of others. Do you think most of the consumer items you buy are cheap on a benvolent basis?

That's a logical point rather than a right-on one by the way, as I'm still merrily consuming away.

As for the drug thing. I don't do them but just legalize them.

Tony EH

topmanamillion wrote: »

I used to be on the "legalise drugs" side. But some traveling changed my mind where I saw first hand the reality in countries where it is legal.

If the government legalised say cannabis, it would have to adhere to standards and it'd be more expensive than your average lad growing and selling it in his attic sells it for.
Not only that but certain strains would be deemed unfit for human consumption as they'd be deemed too potent/toxic. This is where the criminals would step in.

Each to their own but there's alot of naivety here from people who are putting money in the hands of the very people they are on other threads giving out about.

Exactly.

There's this silly fantasy out there among certain quarters that, if drugs were legalised, crims would just say fair cop and retire.

The reality is that they will undercut the legal prices and introduce harder and harder material to lure customers.

Cigs are legal and yet there is a healthy criminal enterprise that imports tons of them every year to sell on the black market.

sbsquarepants

Greyfox wrote: »

I don't support murderers but a lot of people in Ireland do.

Pat yourself on the back there greyfox, good lad!

Greyfox wrote: »

The simple absolute fact is if the demand wasnt so high there would be less people been killed.

Or if you could buy it in a shop, do you not think?

Greyfox wrote: »

I think its idiotic for people to compare it to gold, timber, coffee or knickers as drugs is clearly a level above this, what the cartels do to innocent people is a lot worse than paying people peanuts for making underwear and iphone parts.

Why so? Have you ever seen the labour that goes into small scale gold mining, or coffee growing? It's slavery pure and simple, all so nestle or kenco can sell your goods for 100 times what they pay you. I'd say it makes precious little difference to the poor gits eeking out a living whether they are growing coca or coffee beans - they just want to buy food.

Greyfox wrote: »

Drugs been illigal is not ideal but there's good reasons to keep the likes of Heroin and Cocaine illegal.

Reasons sure, but good ones? What are they?

Why should cocaine be illegal but alcohol not? Or tobacco - it's killed far more people than cocaine ever will, even allowing for the cartels savagery.
Any reason for keeping drugs illegal has far more to do with votes for politicians than anything else. Little bit of hysteria always plays well for the masses!

whisky_galore

Tony EH wrote: »

Exactly.

There's this silly fantasy out there among certain quarters that, if drugs were legalised, crims would just say fair cop and retire.

The reality is that they will undercut the legal prices and introduce harder and harder material to lure customers.

Cigs are legal and yet there is a healthy criminal enterprise that imports tons of them every year to sell on the black market.

They already have the networks and distribution set up, if drug X were made legal in the morning they would simply shift to drug Y.

mariaalice

Totaly believe in decriminalising drugs combined with a big increase in random drug testing in work situations and for driving which would shape a culture of recreational drug use only.

Using drugs to escape reality or as a coping mechanism is not normal.