RWC 2019 Ireland v Japan Match Thread: Group A - Sat 28th Sep 08:15 Shizuoka

False Prophet

Feel sick.

Skyfloater

The heat and humidity were Japan's secret weapon today. Well deserved win, matched our scrum and lineout maul and without those we looked a bit toothless.

eclipsechaser

smelly sock wrote: »

Haha. Typical response. Rugby is far more eltist and selective than soccer will ever be.

Have you been turned away from joining a local club?

NufcNavan

I had to laugh at the reaction on Radio One after the game. There was a clear refusal to ask any hard questions about the Ireland performance or Joe Schmidt. The usual stuff after an Ireland loss.

tonycascarino

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Another inglorious quarter final exit beckons then?

Exactly. It will be the same old, same old. People who think we will beat New Zealand or South Africa when it actually matters are deluded.

Seadin

tonycascarino wrote: »

Exactly. It will be the same old, same old. People who think we will beat New Zealand or South Africa when it actually matters are deluded.

It wont happen full stop. Looks like another disappointing exit at the quarters.

reg114

tonycascarino wrote: »

Exactly. It will be the same old, same old. People who think we will beat New Zealand or South Africa when it actually matters are deluded.

Couldn't agree more. The world Cup is as good as over for this Irish team, to be honest it was over 6 months ago after abject performances in the 6 nations. You simply cannot hope past form will carry you across the line, you have to provide the solid basis whereby victory is more likely than mot and the only way to do that is performing the basics well.

tayto lover

Basil3 wrote: »

The ref really wasn't as bad as people are making out.

He gave ample warnings which we all heard and POM was taken off before being carded which was fair. The ref didn’t make us give away an array of penalties.

Weepsie

eclipsechaser wrote: »

Have you been turned away from joining a local club?

In this, having played soccer and gaa for years, I'd class soccer as among the worst for spitting out kids etc who just are not deemed I enough without giving them a chance. Player welfare in soccer is probably far worse than the other major team sports too. But that's another matter entirely.


Anyway, if Italy beat south africa, and Japan win this group, that's a Japan Italy QF. Madness

flatface

Seadin wrote: »

It wont happen full stop. Looks like another disappointing exit at the quarters.

Sport is full of ups and downs. Shocks and glorious wins.
Today we were beaten and we sometimes will be. our ranking comes from consistently winning not always.
We have every chance in beating SA or NZ in a one on one. It may not happen, but it is completely wrong to say it won’t full stop.

Our chances have certainly been hampered by today’s defeat but we are not out yet. Let’s keep our heads and hope for a bit more taking of our opportunities.

tayto lover

STB. wrote: »

In other news Jordi Murphy is on a flight to replace Conan whose WC is over.

Toner should have been sent for too.

.ak

Disappointed, everything went against us on the day, including the conditions, but we’ll adapt to them better going forward, including a fired up Japan side playing out of their skins.

All is left to do now is target the last two games and try and get 10 points from that. Do that and I reckon we top the pool - I think Scotland will beat Japan and our run up is much better.

Not all doom n gloom.

Thought Ringrose was amazing today, best player in green by a mile.

salmocab

tayto lover wrote: »

Toner should have been sent for too.

They can’t just send for people

Seadin

flatface wrote: »

We have every chance in beating SA or NZ in a one on one. It may not happen, but it is completely wrong to say it won’t full stop.

Our chances have certainly been hampered by today’s defeat but we are not out yet. Let’s keep our heads and hope for a bit more taking of our opportunities.

No disrespect but i think you would be duluded to think Ireland will beat SA or NZ in world cup QF.. Wont happen. We all know it.

NufcNavan

NufcNavan wrote: »

I had to laugh at the reaction on Radio One after the game. There was a clear refusal to ask any hard questions about the Ireland performance or Joe Schmidt. The usual stuff after an Ireland loss.

What was the reaction? What hard questions would you have asked?

dublinman1990

It was my first time seeing Japan & Ireland in a competitive rugby match today. I felt deflated after seeing the result. But I did understand that it was a really tough game to watch this morning if you're an Irish fan. The two tries from Ringrose & Kearney really gave me a lift in confidence in the early stages of the match. Another positive from it was seeing Keith Earls getting the losing BP just before Japan had tried to score their final try just in front of the posts. That moment in itself was brilliantly timed from Earls POV. He deserves all the credit for executing that move against them. But Japan were really ferocious in their gameplay for the rest of the match. Japan, being the fitter team, did their job really well to have that big win today. Well done to them all. They deserve to celebrate their big victory against us.

Former Former

salmocab wrote: »

They can’t just send for people

Do a Tonya Harding on Kleyn, be grand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcuYhEQQfuk

walshb

I’m gutted today, but people need to stfu with the slating and slagging and arrogance....

It wasn’t our day. Sometimes these things happen in sport...underdogs win..

There are still 2 group games to go. Clock reset..

If we get out of group we aren’t favorites v NZ or SA, so we are the exact same as we were at start of campaign..

NIMAN

When you are meant to be the best team in the world, conditions shouldn't matter.
No point saying Japan were up for it and passionate, why weren't we?

flatface

Seadin wrote: »

No disrespect but i think you would be duluded to think Ireland will beat SA or NZ in world cup QF.. Wont happen. We all know it.

No disrespect taken. We wouldn’t be favorites but it’s an overreaction to think we couldn’t win a QF.

jammiedodgers

Seadin wrote: »

No disrespect but i think you would be duluded to think Ireland will beat SA or NZ in world cup QF.. Wont happen. We all know it.

Go and put your money where your mouth is so

VinLieger

walshb wrote: »

I’m gutted today, but people need to stfu with the slating and slagging and arrogance....

It wasn’t our day. Sometimes these things happen in sport...underdogs win..

There are still 2 group games to go. Clock reset..

If we get out of group we aren’t favorites v NZ or SA, so we are the exact same as we were at start of campaign..

Why cant people call a spade a spade? We were arrogant and quite obviously did not prepare correctly, Japan did prepare correctly and roundly beat us, some may say the ref was unfair but even if every decision had gone our way they were still the better team.

I cannot understand some peoples reactions to just dismiss all criticism

Henry Ford III

It's a big shock.

We beat the toughest opponent in the softest group, only to lose to Japan.

Team Ireland will not be a happy place right now.

Rockbeast2

Just remembered my first ever international at Lansdowne Road.

I think I paid 2 Pound for a schoolboy ticket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x30-sApIhhQ

Strazdas

walshb wrote: »

I’m gutted today, but people need to stfu with the slating and slagging and arrogance....

It wasn’t our day. Sometimes these things happen in sport...underdogs win..

There are still 2 group games to go. Clock reset..

If we get out of group we aren’t favorites v NZ or SA, so we are the exact same as we were at start of campaign..

Pretty much, yes. I would describe today as more of a minor enough setback than a devastating blow to our chances. No two games are alike and when it comes to the knockout stages, previous form can go out the window.

Strazdas

VinLieger wrote: »

Why cant people call a spade a spade? We were arrogant and quite obviously did not prepare correctly, Japan did prepare correctly and roundly beat us, some may say the ref was unfair but even if every decision had gone our way they were still the better team.

I cannot understand some peoples reactions to just dismiss all criticism

They improved and we went backwards on the Scotland performance. But that's what happens in tournaments : we were probably very naive in thinking after Scotland that we would run up a bonus point win in every group game. It just doesn't work that way.

thebaz

NIMAN wrote: »

When you are meant to be the best team in the world, conditions shouldn't matter.

Conditions do matter - did you ever play in high humidity and heat , much different to an Irish autumn.

My biggest concern is the loss of form again of Murray , hopefully McGrath can step up against Russia - Sexton at 10 will make this a much better team , and Henshaw or Aki at 12 - glad Jordi is coming over, as we really need a backup to vandeFlier - thought Beirne did well when he came on.

irishgeo

no team has ever won a world cup having lost a group stage match.

kevohmsford

It was very disappointing. Conditions were really tough. We just could not control the game. Japan deserved to win. Thought they were offside on a number of occasions especially toward the end of the game.

Really tough conditions. James Ryan could hardly move towards the end.

MadYaker

Japan v Scotland should be a cracker.

walshb

VinLieger wrote: »

Why cant people call a spade a spade? We were arrogant and quite obviously did not prepare correctly, Japan did prepare correctly and roundly beat us, some may say the ref was unfair but even if every decision had gone our way they were still the better team.

I cannot understand some peoples reactions to just dismiss all criticism

No issue with genuine fair and structured criticism..

My point was with people and their hostile slagging and slating. The ones who take joy in the loss, so they can peddle this slagging of the lads..

Calling them a disgrace and an embarrassment is not justified analysis and criticism..

The lads didn’t deliberately fail today. They simply got beaten..

Seadin

jammiedodgers wrote: »

Go and put your money where your mouth is so

I will.

FrancieBrady

Strazdas wrote: »

They improved and we went backwards on the Scotland performance. But that's what happens in tournaments : we were probably very naive in thinking after Scotland that we would run up a bonus point win in every group game. It just doesn't work that way.

Seeing the team Joe fielded I don't think 'we' refers to the Irish management but to some online.

The game was always going to be a proper test and it was. Regroup and keep the eye on the prize...a QF.

lawred2

I'd be fairly sanguine about most things but kicking the ball off the park for a losing bonus point doesn't sit right with me at all.

Winners don't do that.

I remember NZ in the Aviva. 4 minutes past the 80 they kept that ball alive before Crotty scored.

Yeah they were shagged but at least die trying.

FrancieBrady

Mercurytiger wrote: »

Ireland are weak mentally, they need to feel like underdogs to give their best performance. Champions aren't phased by expectation.

FFS, Japan beat SA in the last World Cup, SA still finished top of the group in a World Cup where England (at home) didn't get out of their group.

The naysaying depressants need to take a chill pill.

Idbatterim

Do posters think we’d have won that match with Sexton playing ?

y0ssar1an22

Danzy wrote: »

The ref didn't make Ireland play like that.

They lost on their own against a much weaker team who played their hearts out.

ive already asked this...

if the officiating was fair and just, do you think ireland would have won?

FrancieBrady

lawred2 wrote: »

I'd be fairly sanguine about most things but kicking the ball off the park for a losing bonus point doesn't sit right with me at all.

Winners don't do that.

I remember NZ in the Aviva. 4 minutes past the 80 they kept that ball alive before Crotty scored.

Yeah they were shagged but at least die trying.

Had he played it and we coughed up the ball or a penalty, we'd be in a very bad place instead of a marginally bad place.

Smart percentage play to my mind.

y0ssar1an22

Shefwedfan wrote: »

When was Wicklow moved outside ireland

VDF grand parents moved here in 50’s

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ahh but he doesn’t sound Irish

We should have a team full of Murphy’s that sound like it’s an Irish name

i hope the circle jerk is finished. yer man made a mistake, stop labouring the point

Chivito550

The arrogance of the Irish media needs to be called out. Suggesting Japan might play a second string side to put all their eggs in one basket and focus on the Scotland match. Assuming they had no chance of beating Ireland so why bother trying.

lawred2

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Had he played it and we coughed up the ball or a penalty, we'd be in a very bad place instead of a marginally bad place.

Smart percentage play to my mind.

Of course it was the pragmatic play. Didn't say it wasn't.

But I was left rather cold by it if I'm honest.

is_that_so

lawred2 wrote: »

I'd be fairly sanguine about most things but kicking the ball off the park for a losing bonus point doesn't sit right with me at all.

Winners don't do that.

I remember NZ in the Aviva. 4 minutes past the 80 they kept that ball alive before Crotty scored.

Yeah they were shagged but at least die trying.

There was not a lot to be gained from a possible 100m break, let alone even getting there. It's a pool match and on balance the only call. If Scots win against Japan we'll be back to where we expected to be. As has been posted a lot of bigger teams have had blips in the RWC but progressed.

Strazdas

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Seeing the team Joe fielded I don't think 'we' refers to the Irish management but to some online.

The game was always going to be a proper test and it was. Regroup and keep the eye on the prize...a QF.

I wouldn't be overly hung up on the result anyway. Even if we'd won by one point, our WC chances would probably be similar to where we are now. The group stages can be a bit of a scrap and misleading. Nobody really knows who will hit form in the quarter finals.

FrancieBrady

Mercurytiger wrote: »

This isn't a once off though, this has been a consistent theme for Ireland over the past 13 years or so.

Losing? I would say we have won more than we lost over 13 years.

jammiedodgers

Seadin wrote: »

I will.

I expect proof.

FrancieBrady

Strazdas wrote: »

I wouldn't be overly hung up on the result anyway. Even if we'd won by one point, our WC chances would probably be similar to where we are now. The group stages can be a bit of a scrap and misleading. Nobody really knows who will hit form in the quarter finals.

Exactly. T hear the naysayers, you would think we had been knocked out today.

lawred2

is_that_so wrote: »

There was not a lot to be gained from a possible 100m break, let alone even getting there. It's a pool match and on balance the only call. If Scots win against Japan we'll be back to where we expected to be. As has been posted a lot of bigger teams have had blips in the RWC but progressed.

Again the pragmatic on paper analysis is spot on...

However they'll be both physically and mentally weakened by that result. It won't be just washed away as a 'pool match'..

FrancieBrady

lawred2 wrote: »

Again the pragmatic on paper analysis is spot on...

However they'll be both physically and mentally weakened by that result. It won't be just washed away as a 'pool match'..

If we get back on target it will be a good arse kicker for the management to use. Do the job or pay the price.

fryup

lawred2 wrote: »

I'd be fairly sanguine about most things but kicking the ball off the park for a losing bonus point doesn't sit right with me at all.

Winners don't do that.

I remember NZ in the Aviva. 4 minutes past the 80 they kept that ball alive before Crotty scored.

Yeah they were shagged but at least die trying.

big difference, that was a one off test match...no points at risk

we had no chance of scoring from that area of the pitch, he did the right thing (imo)