RWC 2019 Ireland v Japan Match Thread: Group A - Sat 28th Sep 08:15 Shizuoka

Akrasia

simongurnick wrote: »

Portsalon wrote: »

Probability of going the length of the pitch and scoring a try = tiny.

Benefit of going the length of the pitch, scoring a try and not converting it = zilch.

Probability of going the length of the pitch and scoring a try and converting it = smaller than tiny.

Benefit of going the length of the pitch, scoring a try and converting it = drawn game, so one additional point on the table.

Risk of being intercepted or giving away a penalty to the Japs in our attempt to score an unlikely converted try = tiny but possible.

Risk of someone being injured in a fruitless attempt to score an unlikely try = not insignificant.

Sensible option - kick the ball out.


Remember how England fukced up in the last RWC when they went for the win instead of settling for a draw against Wales?

Fair points mate for sure. But the sensible option doesnt always win the day. Our two tries came from high risk plays because we had the benefit of an advantage which allowed carty to take the risk. I'd prefer to see the team die on their swords than meekly limp away. Difference of opinion i suppose.

Kicking that ball out was the only sensible decision to make. The game couldn’t have been won but the LBP could have been lost.

In the Last WC we killed ourselves beating France and had nothing left for the QF

This time we need to secure our pool qualification but also make sure we’re got enough in the tank to perform in the knockout stages

Asus X540L

I don't mind playing NZ in the quarters.

Shur we've bate them twice out of the last three.

Weepsie

simongurnick wrote: »

If we can't put it up to japan it doesnt matter who we face in the quarter s. So yeah, i couldnt give a toss about the bonus point. It was just the final example of an absolute piss poor display

It wasn't a knock out game, there are 2 more games to prep for. 2 bonus point wins and we are as good as through. Without that point we are more reliant on other games.

We hadn't scored in 60 mins. We weren't going to just a suddenly do it.

Plus the way Gardner was blowing the whistle he may have given something against us and given them a scoring chance

Right decision, and wish that kind of thinking was there earlier.

ebbsy

PTH2009 wrote: »

Hard to see us getting a bonus point against Samoa

Get Zebo on the plane ???

Hugh_C

Brian017 wrote: »

I don't think it happened on eir.. I've seen a clip of it and you could see the interception. There was no RWC swoosh

Interception was visible on replays on RTE, not that it got any better on replay 😂

razorblunt

PTH2009 wrote: »

Hard to see us getting a bonus point against Samoa

Let’s see what they’re like on Monday. Russia if they had any sort of backline cohesiveness could have been through a few times.

jammiedodgers

Ah lads today is bad enough without bringing up talk of Zebo yet again.

FrancieBrady

simongurnick wrote: »

How do you know it wouldnt have helped the teams mentality? To come off the pitch thinking, hey, bad day at the office, we lost, but 5 minutes longer and we would have won. Instead the mentality is we played crap and quit at the end.

Because the team have smarts? Because they know what a tournament is about? Because they have shown before that heroic dreaming is not what it is about, but hard nosed decisions on the field of play? Etc etc etc etc.

They know best, not somebody sitting watching a telly half the world away.

Muahahaha

Anyone know what odds Japan were before the game? Also what was the temperature & humidity in the stadium?

Brian017

Hugh_C wrote: »

Interception was visible on replays on RTE, not that it got any better on replay 😂

The commentary was ahead of the action, maybe they saw what happened and decide to spare us :P

Professor Moriarty

Muahahaha wrote: »

Anyone know what odds Japan were before the game? Also what was the temperature & humidity in the stadium?

25 degrees and 70% humidity.

FrancieBrady

Asus X540L wrote: »

I don't mind playing NZ in the quarters.

Shur we've bate them twice out of the last three.

We have to play a top team sooner or later. It never really mattered who at the end of the day.
But I get the feeling Joe won't mind the AB's.

Kidchameleon

Ireland are not a top rugby team. A top team would not be worried about avoiding NZ at any stage. We got found out at the last WC by Argentina. We need to stop pissing about in the 6 nations, it gives us a false sense of security.

Weepsie

Might be better to play NZ in QF. South Africa will have had nearly 2 weeks turnaround time*

* Assuming Italy don't spring a surprise and get a Japan-Italy QF

prawnsambo

Muahahaha wrote: »

Anyone know what odds Japan were before the game? Also what was the temperature & humidity in the stadium?

Don't know the odds, but temperature was in the high twenties and humidity was 80% ish.

Rockbeast2

^ Does any other forum have to put up with such nonsense?

Rockbeast2

Not @Prawnsambo

There was another post that I responed to

Shefwedfan

ebbsy wrote: »

Get Zebo on the plane ???

That’s what we need, an out of condition winger in that humidity.....

Weepsie

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

^ Does any other forum have to put up with such nonsense?

Cycling.

simongurnick

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Because the team have smarts? Because they know what a tournament is about? Because they have shown before that heroic dreaming is not what it is about, but hard nosed decisions on the field of play? Etc etc etc etc.

They know best, not somebody sitting watching a telly half the world away.

How did that work out for them today?

simongurnick

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Because the team have smarts? Because they know what a tournament is about? Because they have shown before that heroic dreaming is not what it is about, but hard nosed decisions on the field of play? Etc etc etc etc.

They know best, not somebody sitting watching a telly half the world away.

How did that work out for them today?

Akrasia

simongurnick wrote: »

awec wrote: »

You'd prefer to come away with no bonus point?

Because that was a far more likely outcome than Ireland scoring a try. I mean, how can you have watched the previous 80 minutes and thought Ireland would score a try from 100 metres out is beyond comprehension.

I suspect all those moaning about us kicking it out would be the same ones moaning if we'd played on and ended up with nil points.

If we can't put it up to japan it doesnt matter who we face in the quarter s. So yeah, i couldnt give a toss about the bonus point. It was just the final example of an absolute piss poor display

In the last RWC Japan beat South Africa who ended up losing to NZ by 2 points in the Semi Final

FrancieBrady

simongurnick wrote: »

How did that work out for them today?

They lost a game. And salvaged a point.

Since when did the Gods ordain that we always win - have a good day?

If you are new to sport and expect a win win win return, get ready for a rough ride.

Rockbeast2

Losing by 7 points on last play of game in GROUP STAGE versus host nation = kick the ball out to secure LBP.

Losing by 7 points on last play of game in quarter/semi/final = run the ball to attempt to score a try.

What is so hard to comprehend?

razorblunt

Shefwedfan wrote: »

That’s what we need, an out of condition winger in that humidity.....

He’d look lean and mean up against some of the Samoans.

The Rape of Lucretia

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They lost a game. And salvaged a point.

Since when did the Gods ordain that we always win - have a good day?

If you are new to sport and expect a win win win return, get ready for a rough ride.

True this. Ireland should be giving Japan a whuppin though. And by 20 points.

Either took them too lightly, which is fair enough. Or took it easy, knowing we have bigger fish to fry.
Either way its not a catastrophy. Losing Sexton, VDF, Ryan, and Kearndog for the quarter, now that would have been catastrophic.

ErnestBorgnine

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

Losing by 7 points on last play of game in GROUP STAGE versus host nation = kick the ball out to secure LBP.

Losing by 7 points on last play of game in quarter/semi/final = run the ball to attempt to score a try.

What is so hard to comprehend?

Would New Zealand have settled for the loss today?

The Rape of Lucretia

ErnestBorgnine wrote: »

Would New Zealand have settled for the loss today?

In that instant, yes. Overall, no.

ErnestBorgnine

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

In that instant, yes. Overall, no.

i couldn't see it myself, perhaps i'm wrong.

The Rape of Lucretia

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Ireland are not a top rugby team. A top team would not be worried about avoiding NZ at any stage. We got found out at the last WC by Argentina. We need to stop pissing about in the 6 nations, it gives us a false sense of security.

Ireland is the number 1 world rugby team, and isnt in the least afraid of NZ. In fact, bring it on. Its tye game we have wanted since the draw. NZ have had their haka asses handed to them on a silver platter, home and away, by Ireland, over the last few years.

Rockbeast2

"Would New Zealand have settled for the loss today?"

Yes.

Game two in group stage with Samoa and Russia to follow and their destiny in their own hands...

Of course they would.

FrancieBrady

ErnestBorgnine wrote: »

Would New Zealand have settled for the loss today?

NZ are not where they are from backing themselves in no win situations. NZ are smart, if you can't see that a smart decision was made here, you sadly, are not smart.

simongurnick

FrancieBrady wrote: »

NZ are not where they are from backing themselves in no win situations. NZ are smart, if you can't see that a smart decision was made here, you sadly, are not smart.

This is turning out to be actually a great result! What a master plan from schmidt!

ErnestBorgnine

FrancieBrady wrote: »

NZ are not where they are from backing themselves in no win situations. NZ are smart, if you can't see that a smart decision was made here, you sadly, are not smart.

NZ are where they are due to culture where only winning is acceptable, no matter the opponent that's the goal.

At the highest level, when all other variables are closely matched that will stand to them. Our lads on the other hand, always limp home with their tails between their legs from the highest stage of all.

Mentality plays a part.

FrancieBrady

simongurnick wrote: »

This is turning out to be actually a great result! What a master plan from schmidt!

Well, no again actually. I would say it is a case of Schimdt being ready for anything...including losing a pool game which many top teams have lost before. The team immediately below us in the ranking didn't get out of their pool last time (at home) and the one immediately above us lost to .....Japan!

Joe knows, there is a long way to go yet.

FrancieBrady

ErnestBorgnine wrote: »

NZ are where they are due to culture where only winning is acceptable, no matter the opponent that's the goal.

At the highest level, when all other variables are closely matched that will stand to them. Our lads on the other hand, always limp home with their tails between their legs from the highest stage of all.

Mentality plays a part.

...and NZ also lose. More and more these days. We will never be NZ, because we play too many sports here. Tailor your cloth to what you are, not to what you can never be.

Vinnie222

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well, no again actually. I would say it is a case of Schimdt being ready for anything...including losing a pool game which many top teams have lost before. The team immediately below us in the ranking didn't get out of their pool last time (at home) and the one immediately above us lost to .....Japan!

Joe knows, there is a long way to go yet.

Think no team that lost a pool match ever went on to win it .

blinding

Vinnie222 wrote: »

Think no team that lost a pool match ever went on to win it .

Not yet .

ErnestBorgnine

FrancieBrady wrote: »

...and NZ also lose. More and more these days. We will never be NZ, because we play too many sports here. Tailor your cloth to what you are, not to what you can never be.

There's that mentality again Francie, never make your dreams come true if you keep booting that ball out over the line.

FrancieBrady

Vinnie222 wrote: »

Think no team that lost a pool match ever went on to win it .

Is there a rule that you can't?

A win would be a huge huge bonus for us. I wouldn't even begin to start thinking of that yet.

pc7

Vinnie222 wrote: »

Think no team that lost a pool match ever went on to win it .

First time for everything, statistics are there to be beaten. Will be very hard for anyone to beat nz

NIMAN

Only positive from this, is that we lost a group game and not a knock-out.

tayto lover

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

"Would New Zealand have settled for the loss today?"

Yes.

Game two in group stage with Samoa and Russia to follow and their destiny in their own hands...

Of course they would.

Ha haaaaaaa. Why even turn up.?

blinding

NIMAN wrote: »

Only positive from this, is that we lost a group game and not a knock-out.

Enough time to make a recovery . Now we will see what this squad is made of .

FrancieBrady

ErnestBorgnine wrote: »

There's that mentality again Francie, never make your dreams come true if you keep booting that ball out over the line.

Who exactly dreams of getting a hard won risky point when you can get it by simply kicking the ball out and preserving your team mates for the trials ahead?

You aren't doing it correctly if that is how you are dreaming.

prawnsambo

blinding wrote: »

Enough time to make a recovery . Now we will see what this squad is made of .

That's the spirit. Look on the bright side. I'm sure we're even more popular with the Japanese.

Rockbeast2

"Ha haaaaaaa. Why even turn up.?"

Your point is under consideration. Thanks.

blinding

prawnsambo wrote: »

That's the spirit. Look on the bright side. I'm sure we're even more popular with the Japanese.

We are not done yet ! Not by a long way !

Once more unto the Breech !

ErnestBorgnine

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who exactly dreams of getting a hard won risky point when you can get it by simply kicking the ball out and preserving your team mates for the trials ahead?

You aren't doing it correctly if that is how you are dreaming.

Not gonna win the world cup, and make no mistake that's the aim, by taking the easy route and settling for defeat.

Impossible to remove that losers mentality once it's ingrained in the mind.

tayto lover

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

"Ha haaaaaaa. Why even turn up.?"

Your point is under consideration. Thanks.

Good. There’s a panel of psychologists studying yours.