OK is now a hate symbol says ADL

Veritas Libertas

This has been brewing for a while for all that missed it, Blizzard banned their gamers from using the OK symbol at their events.

Now the anti-defamation league have officially declared the OK gesture a 'hate symbol'.



https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/okay-hand-gesture


In years to come we'll have politicians apologizing for having used the OK gesture in the past. Start deleting your photos guys and start act accordingly, we can't be seen to be racist!

Morgans

Anyone who doesnt recognise how this has been co-opted by white nationaists and white nationalist friendly groups is selling you something. Anyone feigning misundertanding what is being done here is also trying to sell you something.

Noveight

The kind of non-issue Trudeau would blow his load over.

banie01

So if we all start using the OK gesture to take back it's power?
Are we ok then?
Or is it now a gesture that can only be used by people of colour as an affirmative gesture?
And any whites still using it are plainly white supremacist and racist?

Is the thumbs up still ok?
Or is its phallic thrustiness a symbol of patriarchal domination?

TheValeyard

They can fcuk right off.

Morgans

banie01 wrote: »

So if we all start using the OK gesture to take back it's power?
Are we ok then?
Or is it now a gesture that can only be used by people of colour as an affirmative gesture?
And any whites still using it are plainly white supremacist and racist?

Is the thumbs up still ok?
Or is its phallic thrustiness a symbol of patriarchal domination?

Anyone acting this stupid is selling you something.

Veritas Libertas

Morgans wrote: »

Anyone who doesnt recognise how this has been co-opted by white nationaists and white nationalist friendly groups is selling you something. Anyone feigning misundertanding what is being done here is also trying to sell you something.

Anyone who accuses others of not recognizing that this has been coopted by white supremacists is forming a strawman for the purpose of obfuscation.

Turning this symbol into a hate gesture because it has been coopted by white supremacists is the height of ridiculousness. If the gay community had the words thrown at them labelled as hate speech in the 90s they would never have been able to reclaim those words.

White supremacists also wear T-shirts, should we also stop wearing T-shirts?

biko

How it all started

Morgans

You have no idea what the alt-right buzzwords you use mean.

Veritas Libertas

biko wrote: »

How it all started

Nazis

Veritas Libertas

Morgans wrote: »

Anyone who doesnt recognise how this has been co-opted by white nationaists and white nationalist friendly groups is selling you something. Anyone feigning misundertanding what is being done here is also trying to sell you something.

Morgans wrote: »

Anyone acting this stupid is selling you something.

Morgans wrote: »

You have no idea what the alt-right buzzwords you use mean.

You sound like a child. I mean one that is in pre-school infants. One that has a nasty temper tantrum and can't form a coherent argument.

Morgans

For the full text rather than the link.



Note: For reasons explained below, particular caution must be used when evaluating this symbol.

The “okay” hand gesture—in which the thumb and index finger touch while the other fingers of the hand are held outstretched—is an obvious and ancient gesture that has arisen in many cultures over the years with different meanings.

Use of the okay symbol in most contexts is entirely innocuous and harmless.

In 2017, the “okay” hand gesture acquired a new and different significance thanks to a hoax by members of the website 4chan to falsely promote the gesture as a hate symbol, claiming that the gesture represented the letters “wp,” for “white power.” The “okay” gesture hoax was merely the latest in a series of similar 4chan hoaxes using various innocuous symbols; in each case, the hoaxers hoped that the media and liberals would overreact by condemning a common image as white supremacist.

In the case of the “okay” gesture, the hoax was so successful the symbol became a popular trolling tactic on the part of right-leaning individuals, who would often post photos to social media of themselves posing while making the “okay” gesture.

Ironically, some white supremacists themselves soon also participated in such trolling tactics, lending an actual credence to those who labeled the trolling gesture as racist in nature. By 2019, at least some white supremacists seem to have abandoned the ironic or satiric intent behind the original trolling campaign and used the symbol as a sincere expression of white supremacy, such as when Australian white supremacist Brenton Tarrant flashed the symbol during a March 2019 courtroom appearance soon after his arrest for allegedly murdering 50 people in a shooting spree at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand.

The overwhelming usage of the “okay” hand gesture today is still its traditional purpose as a gesture signifying assent or approval. As a result, someone who uses the symbol cannot be assumed to be using the symbol in either a trolling or, especially, white supremacist context unless other contextual evidence exists to support the contention. Since 2017, many people have been falsely accused of being racist or white supremacist for using the “okay” gesture in its traditional and innocuous sense.

Other, similar-seeming hand gestures have also been mistakenly assumed to have white supremacist connotations as a result of the “okay” hoax. One of these is the so-called “Circle Game,” in which people attempt to trick each other into looking at an okay-like hand gesture made somewhere below the waist. Another is the hand sign of the Three Percenter movement, a wing of the anti-government extremist militia movement. Three Percenters, who are right-wing extremists but are not typically white supremacists, often make a hand gesture to symbolize their movement that uses the outstretched middle, ring, and pinky fingers to represent a Roman numeral “3.” This gesture, from certain angles, can often resemble an “okay” hand gesture and has been misinterpreted by some as a white supremacist symbol.

Because of the traditional meaning of the “okay” hand gesture, as well as other usages unrelated to white supremacy, particular care must be taken not to jump to conclusions about the intent behind someone who has used the gesture.

Mint Sauce

What will the Scuba Divers do now?

Morgans

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

You sound like a child. I mean one that is in pre-school infants. One that has a nasty temper tantrum and can't form a coherent argument.

Sure Jan

Dravokivich

So is up yours, still up yours, or victory again?

Doctor Jimbob

Morgans wrote: »

Anyone who doesnt recognise how this has been co-opted by white nationaists and white nationalist friendly groups is selling you something. Anyone feigning misundertanding what is being done here is also trying to sell you something.

I had never heard about this until seeing this thread. I imagine the vast majority of people are in the same boat.

looksee

Why is the ADL acting on behalf of the white supremacists by giving this story legs? It needs people to be aware that they have 'adopted' the gesture for the adoption to be effective.

The whole nonsense should be ignored, the rest of humanity does not have to give up anything just because one little section claims it.

There is far too much willing acceptance of social-media-generated 'rules' that are basically just notions put forward by self appointed 'influencers'.

banie01

Morgans wrote: »

Anyone acting this stupid is selling you something.

Care to elaborate?

Stupid how?

Depending on ones perspective, the hysterical reaction to the co-opting of an internationally recognised gesture of affirmative is the only stupidity here.

That some white power groups co-opted a gesture, does not make the gesture wrong, offensive or indeed any other shade of outraged.
It means a group of people use it in a fashion that is a "signal" to others in that group.

It does not mean that the gesture itself is wrong or offensive.
You keep peddling the stupidity without actually padding out or supporting your position, would you care to try?

Any comment on my phallic thumb?

Morgans

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I had never heard about this until seeing this thread. I imagine the vast majority of people are in the same boat.

The OP is determined to being interpretations of concepts discussed for years in alt-right forums to boards. And to possibly impress people who havent seen them. All are nonsense.

MontgomeryClift

Check out some of the other ADL hate symbols:
https://www.adl.org/hate-symbols

Here's an example:

100%
100% is shorthand for "100% white" among white supremacists. It is also common to create alphanumeric variations to proclaim solidarity with a particular white supremacist group or gang, such as "112%" for "100% Aryan Brotherhood."

At this rate the ADL will soon be able to save space on their web site by listing the things not associated with white supremacy.

Veritas Libertas

looksee wrote: »

Why is the ADL acting on behalf of the white supremacists by giving this story legs? It needs people to be aware that they have 'adopted' the gesture for the adoption to be effective.

The whole nonsense should be ignored, the rest of humanity does not have to give up anything just because one little section claims it.

There is far too much willing acceptance of social-media-generated 'rules' that are basically just notions put forward by self appointed 'influencers'.

The ADL have been grandstanding for a long time(pewdiepie). Its much more about promoting themselves than the cause they are working towards.

“Just putting it out there brings it more and more into the mainstream,”- John Vick

TheValeyard

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

Check out some of the other ADL hate symbols:
https://www.adl.org/hate-symbols

Here's an example:


At this rate the ADL will soon be able to save space on their web site by listing the things not associated with white supremacy.

Wow. They really hate numbers. I bet ya they failed maths!

Veritas Libertas

Morgans wrote: »

The OP is determined to being interpretations of concepts discussed for years in alt-right forums to boards. And to possibly impress people who havent seen them. All are nonsense.

Glad you're around to let people know what I'm determined to do. How did you acquire this superpower?

Morgans

banie01 wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

Stupid how?

Depending on ones perspective, the hysterical reaction to the co-opting of an internationally recognised gesture of affirmative is the only stupidity here.

That some white power groups co-opted a gesture, does not make the gesture wrong, offensive or indeed any other shade of outraged.
It means a group of people use it in a fashion that is a "signal" to others in that group.

It does not mean that the gesture itself is wrong or offensive.
You keep peddling the stupidity without actually padding out or supporting your position, would you care to try?

Any comment on my phallic thumb?

Exactly. Its all detailed in the link. How white supremacist groups consistently use this to dogwhistle to their supporters (first ironic, then not so much). Then bleat when called on it (like you are doing) "how can you say its racist". Its only the Ok sign.

At the moment, the thumbs up isnt problematic, but if nazis use in the future a as a signal to what they are doing and who their audience is for atrocious and not so atrocious actions, then it should be viewed as a symbol of hate as well. As is in the ADL link, context is important.

Morgans

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

Glad you're around to let people know what I'm determined to do. How did you acquire this superpower?

Reading your nonsense that has been rehashed for years on reddit and elsewhere over the last years. There isnt an alt-right argument that you have missed yet.

Veritas Libertas

Morgans wrote: »

Reading your nonsense that has been rehashed for years on reddit and elsewhere over the last years. There isnt an alt-right argument that you have missed yet.

The ADL literally just this week classified the OK as a hate symbol. Are you ok mate? Maybe you need to lie down?

Morgans

Veritas Libertas wrote: »

The ADL literally just this week classified the OK as a hate symbol. Are you ok mate? Maybe you need to lie down?

The OK symbol has been problematic for years.

This is a discussion from years ago. Tim Pool acting as disingeous as the OP here. interesting to hear him use the ADL to defend his argument here. ADL has seen through the lies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52APBQy1Olk

um7y1h83ge06nx

Jesus, why oh why can't people use some common sense and recognise the context things are used in.

With regards the 100% I hope they don't get hold of some of my spreadsheets. The last sentence is a joke by the way.

Montage of Feck

Outside in the real world, the ok sign is still ok. Is white supremisiscm even a thing outside of redneck colonial nations.

Veritas Libertas

Morgans wrote: »

The OK symbol has been problematic for years.
This is a discussion from years ago. Tim Pool acting as disingeous as the OP here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52APBQy1Olk

Why not try engage in the discussion instead of enforcing your strict dogma?

Answer this question and let the discussion continue.

What use is it for the ADL to classify the OK symbol a hate gesture? What good does that do?

I can tell you the bad it will do, people will see others doing the sign and assume they're nazis.

If you can argue some good is done that outweighs this bad, I'll concede. Agreed?

banie01

Context is important.
However all too often there is a race to infer insult, racism and offense where none was implied.

The claim of these gestures as a dog whistle for white nationalists is all too often built on claims of people and organisations whose very existence and income is dependant upon identifying and stoking new and evolving forms of offensiveness.

It is an exercise in futility and ridiculous semantics to ascribe universal offense to a gesture that is used by billions without implication, on foot of the efforts of an over thought piece of 4chan/Reddit nonsense.