Should we re-introduce wolves to Ireland?

whisky_galore

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Lets investigate bringing back the giant elk

Jaysus Jurassic Park. You're having a laugh now.

Credibility = 0


Since when are rats and mice in danger of extinction?

Beechwoodspark

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've trekked the Mournes on numerous occasions, you don't have the foggiest notion. A wolf pack confined to a few square kilometres? You're wasting your time on boards altogether.

Berties horse can I just ask that you see the bigger picture and don’t shoot down everything without giving it a fair hearing. The wilderness project definetly can work. It’s a matter of time and resourcing

ted1

is_that_so wrote: »

Here's a piece on the Yellowstone reintroduction but they have an enormous ecosystem.

https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wolf-reintroduction-changes-ecosystem

Look at the size of yellowstone compared to Ireland. https://mapfight.appspot.com/ie-vs-yellowstone/ireland-yellowstone-national-park-size-comparison

Beechwoodspark

whisky_galore wrote: »

Jaysus Jurassic Park. You're having a laugh now.

Credibility = 0

Sorry now but you are revealing your lack of knowledge on the progress made in dna cloning now

Google wooly mammoth 2019. This is possible folks

Beechwoodspark

Since when are rats and mice in danger of extinction?[/quote]

It’s about recreating a pristine primordial ecosystem whisky

Dravokivich

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I said increase the fencing as high as required. No biggie. U Havnt addressed the obvious benefits of rewillding Ireland.

Wild, behind a fence? Isnt that not domestication?

Beechwoodspark

Dravokivich wrote: »

Wild, behind a fence? Isnt that not domestication?

No because we are talking about a huge area of land if you can envision a semi circle just south of dublin all the way to west cork

Junkyard Tom

Wolves + humans = werewolves.

Dravokivich

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sorry now but you are revealing your lack of knowledge on the progress made in dna cloning now

Google wooly mammoth 2019. This is possible folks

It's no different to reverse breeding. It's just a quicker process.

whisky_galore

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Since when are rats and mice in danger of extinction?

It’s about recreating a pristine primordial ecosystem whisky[/quote]

You'll need to emigrate in that case.

Beechwoodspark

whisky_galore wrote: »

It’s about recreating a pristine primordial ecosystem whisky

You'll need to emigrate in that case.[/quote]

Eh no need to get personal man

I said I would be happy (actually would prefer) living in the middle of this pristine wilderness

HorrorScope

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

No because we are talking about a huge area of land if you can envision a semi circle just south of dublin all the way to west cork

Ya but sure nobody at all lives outside of Dublin, let’s bring wolves, snakes and even ****ing scorpions in while we’re at it? Sure it will make a lovely sight seeing trip for the city dwellers and tourists :rolleyes:

Beechwoodspark

HorrorScope wrote: »

Ya but sure nobody at all lives outside of Dublin, let’s bring wolves, snakes and even ****ing scorpions in while we’re at it? Sure it will make a lovely sight seeing trip for the city dwellers and tourists :rolleyes:

Snakes and scorps??? Not in our plan, man. Has to be native Irish species

Tony EH

cnocbui wrote: »

Reintroducing wolves would mean culling the population of the most highly protected species in Ireland. The smallest recorded wolf territory was 33 km^2 The largest was 6,272 km^2. Sacrifices would have to be made, so it won't happen.

Of course it won't. The very idea is a farce. A wolf pack could cover the distance Kilbeggan to Ballinasloe at a lesuirely pace in the better part of a day, ravaging sheep and cattle along the way.

The first time that happens there would be a nationwide hunt to shoot them all.

This has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard a politician suggest in a long time and, by christ, that's saying something.

HorrorScope

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Snakes and scorps??? Not in our plan, man. Has to be native Irish species

No your plan is introducing apex predators who haven’t been here in over 200 years...

whisky_galore

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

You'll need to emigrate in that case.

Eh no need to get personal man

I said I would be happy (actually would prefer) living in the middle of this pristine wilderness[/quote]

No. You're human. No need for you.
Out.
You're interfering with mother nature.
Not a native species.

Beechwoodspark

HorrorScope wrote: »

No your plan is introducing apex predators who haven’t been here in over 200 years...

Sorry but never mentioned snakes and scorps

200 years is like, less than an eye blink in terms of deep ecological time

cnocbui

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sorry now but you are revealing your lack of knowledge on the progress made in dna cloning now

Google wooly mammoth 2019. This is possible folks

Something like 20 attempts have been made by the Russians to clone Wooly Mammoths, and all have failed, so this folk won't believe it till he sees it.

Gizmodo reports that the researchers behind the project, who are also working to resurrect woolly mammoths, have tried and failed to grow such cells 20 different times.

The only way to bring back these sort of creatures -s hould the cloning ever work - is to create a vast contiguous reserve that can be let go wild and revert utterly to nature, with a helping hand to speed the process, but as I said, that would involve culling the most protected species in Ireland, so it's never going to happen, much as I like the idea.

HorrorScope

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sorry but never mentioned snakes and scorps

200 years is like, less than an eye blink in terms of deep ecological time

Yeah 200 years ago when we didn’t have the sprawl of population we have now. If you think this wankstain of an idea is in anyway plausible I’m sorry but you are deluded or trolling.

dirtyden

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

No because we are talking about a huge area of land if you can envision a semi circle just south of dublin all the way to west cork

You want to send most of the southern half of Ireland back to the dark ages so that wolves can be reintroduced.

That might work for the wolves but you do realize that there are people, towns, businesses etc there?

Buford T. Justice XIX

We would need to monitor any place they're reintroduced into closely.

It would require a large wild population to sustain them and adequate fencing to contain them while undergoing studies.

Probably need a large buffer area as well to minimise damage to domestic stock.

And within ready access to a large urban area for that tourism perk.

Yes, the Phoenix Park is absolutely ideal on all levels.

Fr_Dougal

We should reintroduce them.

After we’ve done that we should domesticate them, then turn them into pugs.

chite

In the no camp myself.

http://bioweb.ie/reintroduction-wolves-ireland/

Seems we have ourselves some wolfaboos here. FFS, what's with the obession with the wolves, has been going on for years in debates - I came across one man's motivation for wolves on the basis that Oliver Cromwell's presence in Ireland decimated the last of them so therefore we needed them back as part of our irish idenity....dfgiidufgudguh

What about restoring our degraded habitats, our endangered native species such as the curlew, Jesus Christ what about implementing natural flooding management schemes throughout flooding-prone areas - the list is endless.

Here's a suggestion I have, which is open to scrutiny: How about introducing the *drumroll............* the Lynx! Now I'd love to see those guys screaming about on the treetops

pgj2015

http://mentalfloss.com/article/567185/german-and-russian-wwi-soldiers-fought-wolves

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

No because we are talking about a huge area of land if you can envision a semi circle just south of dublin all the way to west cork

This is just seriously absurd, what about the hundreds of thousands of people living there? Will they be fenced in with the wolves too on your plans?

We haven't enough wild land for them to be introduced back. They couldn't be restricted to an area either.

Even Dublin Zoo captive wolves created a network of underground tunnels very close to the zoo’s perimeter fence so you can imagine the chances of restricting movement of a wild pack, it just isn't going to happen.

I can't believe politicians are wasting time with this rubbish when there are so many more pressing matters. I'd rather see land rewilded and forests etc.

There's a large derelict plot of land near my home that's been left untouched for 10 years, used to be part of a leveled building site for when housing estates were being built. It is truly beautiful now, trees, plants, berries, the whole area is teeming with native wildlife. Nothing to it, it was just left alone and nature took over, it's fantastic.

Leg End Reject

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

We would need to monitor any place they're reintroduced into closely.

It would require a large wild population to sustain them and adequate fencing to contain them while undergoing studies.

Probably need a large buffer area as well to minimise damage to domestic stock.

And within ready access to a large urban area for that tourism perk.

Yes, the Phoenix Park is absolutely ideal on all levels.

Or St. Stephen's Green, be easier for the rangers to track them and the gates could just be kept locked.

HorrorScope

Let’s trial it in Dublin city centre first, if nobody gets killed within 21 days then we can have a bigger discussion around it. Wolves that love the taste of Lycra would be a preference for the initial testing period.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I said I would be happy (actually would prefer) living in the middle of this pristine wilderness

The wolves would love it too. Nom nom nom nom.......

buried

Eamon Ryan trolling rural farmers with $hitetalk shocker.

Although it shows he couldn't care less about actually promoting a genuine green agenda for the entire country as he knows full well farmers will be up in arms about the thought of this idea and will refuse to give any number to rural Green candidates at the next election.

Well done Eamon.

HorrorScope

buried wrote: »

Eamon Ryan trolling rural farmers with $hitetalk shocker.

Although it shows he couldn't care less about actually promoting a genuine green agenda for the entire country as he knows full well farmers will be up in arms about the thought of this idea and will refuse to give any number to rural Green candidates at the next election.

Well done Eamon.

Wait till he finds out the recent “green wave” in the elections is nothing other than piss hitting a puddle. The majority haven’t forgotten what the Greens did last time they had power here Eamon.

is_that_so

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Have a read of the inhospitable earth by David Wallace wells then come back to me

I agree with u that wolves won’t save the earth from climate change. REWILDING ireland and dtrastically reducing our carbon footprint is the logical thing to do. We can only do so much here in this little country. But we can show the way for bigger more impactful societies like China and the states.

Here's a long term study from the US, suggesting corridor links to join habitats is a very good option.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2019/09/26/connecting-fractured-habitats-has-long-lasting-ecological-benefits-study-finds/

is_that_so

HorrorScope wrote: »

Wait till he finds out the recent “green wave” in the elections is nothing other than piss hitting a puddle. The majority haven’t forgotten what the Greens did last time they had power here Eamon.

When talking about the Greens remember they are big in pockets, mostly urban and can get to 6-7 seats. As they are willing to participate in government that's a nice cohesive bunch for FF or FG to target.

ILoveYourVibes

Mmmm no. I can't run very fast.

cnocbui

Don't worry, the Greens would only approve vegan wolves anyway. None of us can do 70 kph, so we're all in the not fast enough boat.

wakka12

And what will they eat? All our cows and sheep? Greattt idea. Anyway, actually creating some large forested lands of diverse tree species would be a more important place to start in the 'rewilding' process I would imagine than before we begin to introduce herds of large predatory animals

cj maxx

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

We would need to monitor any place they're reintroduced into closely.

It would require a large wild population to sustain them and adequate fencing to contain them while undergoing studies.

Probably need a large buffer area as well to minimise damage to domestic stock.

And within ready access to a large urban area for that tourism perk.

Yes, the Phoenix Park is absolutely ideal on all levels.

Or Achill island ,?

ldy4mxonucwsq6

cjmc wrote: »

Or Achill island ,?

I hope you are joking.

Who'd go around picking up their sh1t?..

Graces7

cjmc wrote: »

Or Achill island ,?

or inishark… no people but, ah, they graze sheep over there now. Maybe Blasket too.. and there are other islands.. yes, they can swim...

begsbyOnaTrain

Zayd Pitiful Beech wrote: »

Even Dublin Zoo captive wolves created a network of underground tunnels very close to the zoo’s perimeter fence so you can imagine the chances of restricting movement of a wild pack, it just isn't going to happen.

Just like the Great Escape.


Ultimately I think one off housing means it's a non-runner. Although lots of people say that wolves given a choice will leave humans alone, so maybe?

But yeah one off housing has caused so many problems it's ridiculous. Roads that can't be expanded, the difficulty in providing broadband/services etc, transport and now it's impacting our rewilding dreams.

kildare lad

I love wildlife but unless there was a national park that was totally fenced in , I'd say no. Wolves need quiet a lot of territory to roam so I don't think that's gonna happen . Sure the fox is hunted mercilessly across the country how'd you think the wolves would fair out . Sure we can barely look after the animal under treat , like crayfish, Curlew , eagle and Atlantic salmon, never mind introducing wolves. National parks and wildlife are seriously understaffed and underfunded here, maybe they should properly start funding them and try and look after what we've got first instead of introducing wolves

jmayo

Tony EH wrote: »

Of course it won't. The very idea is a farce. A wolf pack could cover the distance Kilbeggan to Ballinasloe at a lesuirely pace in the better part of a day, ravaging sheep and cattle along the way.

The first time that happens there would be a nationwide hunt to shoot them all.

This has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard a politician suggest in a long time and, by christ, that's saying something.

Ah now, what about the Gondolas on Blessington lakes ?
Of course that was shelved because no one was sure who was going to feed them.

Then we had Donie Cassidy coming up with novel concept of alleviating the disruption of changing the country to driving on the right by doing it on a county to county basis.
Sure what could possibly go wrong at the county borders.

Never underestimate the stupidity of politicians or boards posters.

begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »

Just like the Great Escape.


Ultimately I think one off housing means it's a non-runner. Although lots of people say that wolves given a choice will leave humans alone, so maybe?

But yeah one off housing has caused so many problems it's ridiculous. Roads that can't be expanded, the difficulty in providing broadband/services etc, transport and now it's impacting our rewilding dreams.

Ahh FFS
yeah one off rural housing is why we can't reintroduce wolves to Ireland. :rolleyes:

cnocbui

begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »

Just like the Great Escape.


Ultimately I think one off housing means it's a non-runner. Although lots of people say that wolves given a choice will leave humans alone, so maybe?

But yeah one off housing has caused so many problems it's ridiculous. Roads that can't be expanded, the difficulty in providing broadband/services etc, transport and now it's impacting our rewilding dreams.

That's a festering load of cobblers. Your rewilding dreams could only be realised by the forced acquisition of probably 75 square contiguous km of farmland. That is a politically impossible idea in this country.

Idiots who live in apartments in Dublin who think farmers should not have access to electricity, phone lines, broadband or paved roads. You lot are like children with a simplistic world view and a me-me ego-centric thought processes.

jmayo

cnocbui wrote: »

That's a festering load of cobblers. Your rewilding dreams could only be realised by the forced acquisition of probably 75 square contiguous km of farmland. That is a politically impossible idea in this country.

Idiots who live in apartments in Dublin who think farmers should not have access to electricity, phone lines, broadband or paved roads. You lot are like children with a simplistic world view and a me-me ego-centric thought processes.

Shure aren't we going to get rid of our national herd, our national flocks and thus there will be no pesky agriculture polluting the planet.
Who needs our beef, dairy or lamb.

And won't we all be working for Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Google, Pfizer, Johnson, Shire, etc.
You know generally the companies that have foreign HQs, foreign owners and postboxes in a tax haven somewhere.:rolleyes:

whisky_galore

cnocbui wrote: »

That's a festering load of cobblers. Your rewilding dreams could only be realised by the forced acquisition of probably 75 square contiguous km of farmland. That is a politically impossible idea in this country.

Idiots who live in apartments in Dublin who think farmers should not have access to electricity, phone lines, broadband or paved roads. You lot are like children with a simplistic world view and a me-me ego-centric thought processes.

"Let's have wolves*" (but not near me) attitude.

* alternatively insert wind turbines, direct provision centres, incinerators, injection facilities, halting sites...

Tony EH

Seriously cannot believe that there are so many Yes votes for this.

Do people not realise that a pack of wolves could wipe out the large part (or entirety) of a farmers stock in one go? During lambing season, something like that could be disastrous and lambs/birthing sheep are already under attack from the likes of crows, hawks, foxes, pine martens and whatever else.

There's simply no way that Irish farmers, who pride themselves on open range farming (and for good reason) could avoid a situation like that. They would be forced to go to a situation that will eliminate the relatively free nature of farming we employ here and use a more closed in method, like they do in America, where sheep are stuck in pens most, if not all, of the day. I wonder what Eamonn Ryan would end up saying about that if it came to pass.

FFS, a pack of domesticated dogs can cause havoc if they go on the rampage amongst a flock. Just imagine what a roaming pack of wild wolves would do.

This is just a monumentally short sighted, hair brained, idea and even more lamentable that it's being brought up as a motion, when there are far more important things our public representatives should be tackling.

begsbyOnaTrain

Tony EH wrote: »

Do people not realise that a pack of wolves could wipe out the large part (or entirety) of a farmers stock in one go?

Why not have some patrol drones to look after the sheep then? If they spot a wolf or dog or whatever, they could emit a scary noise at it and scare it away and alert the farmer.

Tony EH

begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »

Why not have some patrol drones to look after the sheep then? If they spot a wolf or dog or whatever, they could emit a scary noise at it and scare it away and alert the farmer.

Jesus christ :rolleyes:

While wolves will generally avoid contact with humans if they can, a pack on a feeding frenzy won't give a damn about Joe the farmer when he gets alerted by his "drone" and once they figure out that the "scary noise" isn't going to do anything to them, they just won't care.

And even if alerted in the middle of the night, by the time Joe the farmer gets his shit together and goes outside to the acre where his sheep are currently grazing, the pack will have made off with enough booty.

Over a couple of nights, that could wipe out Joe the farmers yield fairly sharpish.

begsbyOnaTrain

Alright but right now, would there be a market for some drone sheep protection thing?

HorrorScope

begsbyOnaTrain wrote: »

Alright but right now, would there be a market for some drone sheep protection thing?

Unless it's military grade with an installed weapons platform of some sort, then no.