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Censoring/Suppressing films

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    #122
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    People can demand whatever they want, doesn't mean they'll get it. Also censorship is an act carried out by a government.

    You all seem to be having a problem with the word censorship. Is an elected representative writing to a cinema manager in her position as an elected representative to demand that a film be withdrawn from the selection not an attempt at censorship?
    Do you not find this cringeworthy?


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    #123
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 35,093 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    No and no.
    She can ask for whatever she wants, and the cinema management can just tell her to f**k right off. Makes no difference whether she's an elected representative or not.
    You don't understand the meaning of the word censorship, but keep using it...

    © 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd



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    #124
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    No and no.
    She can ask for whatever she wants, and the cinema management can just tell her to f**k right off. Makes no difference whether she's an elected representative or not.
    You don't understand the meaning of the word censorship, but keep using it...

    If you don’t look at the picture of the protestors outside the cinema in 2019 juxtaposed against the much loved picture of Fr Ted and Fr Dougal doing just the same thing over an entirely different film nearly 30 years ago and cringe just a tiny little bit then seriously, you’re po faced-ness knows no bounds.


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    #125
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,226 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Why are they showing a ‘pro life’ film?

    We settled this issue once and for all with repeal.

    Haven’t they heard?

    They haven't gone away you know.


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    #126
    Hobosan
    Registered Users Posts: 582 ✭✭✭Hobosan


    Will I Am Not wrote: »
    So if the film is shown enough will there be another referendum or what? How many people have to see it before the polling stations are forced to open up?

    Give it about 30 years. That's how long it took for pro-abortion films to take effect.


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    #127
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    If we were to have been a showing a documentary in a cinema about same sex married couples with kids and families around the time of that referendum, it wouldn’t have just been a protest outside the cinema, you have all the Iona headbangers screaming about it in their weekly Irish times columns and on every news radio program every single day ranting about it.

    They’d absolutely want it to be banned and not shown.

    It’s a movie, not a documentary. The referendum is over, the people have spoken. Your comparison is poor.


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    #128
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Will I Am Not wrote: »
    It’s a movie, not a documentary. The referendum is over, the people have spoken. Your comparison is poor.


    Putting on an utterly pointless film about abortion 2 years AFTER it’s been made the law of the land it’s utterly stupid. Never mind poor.


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    #129
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    It's not an utterly pointless film as seeing it could result in someone making the choice to keep their baby rather than have them aborted. Just because abortion is legal in a country doesn't mean that there's no point in voicing a prolife message there. On the contrary, it is more needed in countries where abortion is legal than not.

    Was great to see that Joy Villa attended the premiere of the movie in the LA to highlight the film's message as she had an unplanned pregnancy and decided to give her baby up for adoption rather than have an abortion. So we are far from the only country where abortion is legal and yet it's still felt that the prolife message has a place.


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    #130
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    It's not an utterly pointless film as seeing it could result in someone making the choice to keep their baby rather than have them aborted. Just because abortion is legal in a country doesn't mean that there's no point in voicing a prolife message there. On the contrary, it is more needed in countries where abortion is legal than not.

    Was great to see that Joy Villa attended the premiere of the movie in the LA to highlight the film's message as she had an unplanned pregnancy and decided to give her baby up for adoption rather than have an abortion. So we are far from the only country where abortion is legal and yet it's still felt that the prolife message has a place.


    You should look up the appaling state of adoption and child services in Ireland. I wouldn’t put a dog into that system never mind a child. That’s neither here nor there. It’s absolutely none of your business or my business what a woman decides to do with her body or her unborn. That’s just a fact. It’s also law of the land.

    These people saying otherwise need to find something worthwhile to fill their very obviously empty lives apart from interfering in other people’s.


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    #131
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    It’s absolutely none of your business or my business what a woman decides to do with her body or her unborn. That’s just a fact. It’s also law of the land.

    That’s not the law of the land.

    Giving women information on the realities of abortion is not a bad thing and does not take away women's choice in any way. When they have all the information they can make real choices.


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    #132
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    jackboy wrote: »
    That’s not the law of the land.

    Giving women information on the realities of abortion is not a bad thing and does not take away women's choice in any way. When they have all the information they can make real choices.

    Guilt and manipulation. Are. Not. Information.


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    #133
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Guilt and manipulation. Are. Not. Information.

    Whatever your opinion on the film it is a bit much to suggest the film should not be shown because of the referendum result.

    Laws and general opinions change all the time. The referendum result could easily be reversed in the future. That would not mean that pro abortion films should not be shown.


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    #134
    Pilly2019
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12 ✭Pilly2019


    WHY ARE GENERATION Z SO RIGHTWING


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    #135
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    jackboy wrote: »
    Whatever your opinion on the film it is a bit much to suggest the film should not be shown because of the referendum result.

    Laws and general opinions change all the time. The referendum result could easily be reversed in the future. That would not mean that pro abortion films should not be shown.

    In what universe are Irish people going to turn around and reverse that decision by referendum? Because it isn’t this universe.


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    #136
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    In what universe are Irish people going to turn around and reverse that decision by referendum? Because it isn’t this universe.

    The exact same could have been said about this referendum result 30 years ago.

    If you think Ireland will never change again you are deluded. Change never stops.


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    #137
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Has anyone seen it? Any good?


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    #138
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Putting on an utterly pointless film about abortion 2 years AFTER it’s been made the law of the land it’s utterly stupid. Never mind poor.

    What an absurdly stupid comment. It's neither pointless or stupid. It's a movie based on someone's real life experience of shifting from being pro-choice to pro-life through what they perceived as traumatic experiences. It's aim is to persuade people to make a similar choice or rethink abortion as an option in the event of unplanned pregnancy. There is nothing wrong, stupid, or pointless about that no matter what way you feel about abortion, or the fact that the movie looks like crap z-grade drama of the highest order to begin with. Lastly, abortion isn't the law of the land. The freedom to have an abortion now is. People are still perfectly entitled to hold, encourage and disseminate pro-life views. Abortion is an informed choice women have the freedom to now chose, not 'the law'.


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    #139
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Homelander wrote: »
    What an absurdly stupid comment. It's neither pointless or stupid. It's a movie based on someone's real life experience of shifting from being pro-choice to pro-life through what they perceived as traumatic experiences. It's aim is to persuade people to make a similar choice or rethink abortion as an option in the event of unplanned pregnancy. There is nothing wrong, stupid, or pointless about that no matter what way you feel about abortion, or the fact that the movie looks like crap z-grade drama of the highest order to begin with. Lastly, abortion isn't the law of the land. The freedom to have an abortion now is. People are still perfectly entitled to hold, encourage and disseminate pro-life views. Abortion is an informed choice women have the freedom to now chose, not 'the law'.

    So we lost the referendum but we’re going to import a film into one cinema to change minds.


    Good luck with that. What an utterly absurd idea.

    fascinated to see how much money it doesn’t make at that one cinema.





    Remember life of Brian was banned and you had to get it on pirate video.

    Ah the good old days


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    #140
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    We could bring back the laundries. Two birds one stone. Housing for the mothers til the end of their days the babies sold off to rich Americans for a tidy profit.

    Capital idea.


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    #141
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 35,093 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    splinter65 wrote: »
    If you don’t look at the picture of the protestors outside the cinema in 2019 juxtaposed against the much loved picture of Fr Ted and Fr Dougal doing just the same thing over an entirely different film nearly 30 years ago and cringe just a tiny little bit then seriously, you’re po faced-ness knows no bounds.

    Don't know wny you're having a go at me over a protest on the other side of the country I didn't attend.
    People are allowed to protest within the law, if you don't like it then tough.

    © 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd



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    #142
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    In what universe are Irish people going to turn around and reverse that decision by referendum? Because it isn’t this universe.

    Abortion could be criminalised tomorrow if there was a majority vote in the Dail and, despite what the most extensive PR and marketing campaign in the history of the state has everyone believing, no new rights accrued to any citizen as a result of the referendum could be used to challenge that vote.
    On this particular protest-they just appear to be acting irrationally due to residual mania stirred up by the repeal campaign, like some Japanese soldier still lurking in Pacific jungles 20 years after the war ended. Did they not ask themselves what logically might be the outcome of this film being shown? Absolutely nothing. The only people who'd see it are pro-life anyway.


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    #143
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Putting on an utterly pointless film about abortion 2 years AFTER it’s been made the law of the land it’s utterly stupid. Never mind poor.

    Why are you so bothered and worried about this film?
    Most films are “pointless”, but they get made nonetheless and people go to the cinema to see them. The film was made for general worldwide release, not specifically targeted at Ireland.
    Is it that you would like there to be some way of preventing films you don’t approve of from being distributed here?


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    #144
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    We could bring back the laundries. Two birds one stone. Housing for the mothers til the end of their days the babies sold off to rich Americans for a tidy profit.

    Capital idea.

    You're just embarrassing yourself.


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    #145
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 40,236 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The reviews are universally terrible.

    It will censor itself.

    Straight to a Dealz basket near you.


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    #146
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Boggles wrote: »
    The reviews are universally terrible.

    It will censor itself.

    Straight to a Dealz basket near you.

    Actually due to a huge demand the amount of cinemas showing the film is to increase next week and cinemas actually showing the film are extending the period.
    Disappointed?


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    #147
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 40,236 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Actually due to a huge demand the amount of cinemas showing the film is to increase next week and cinemas actually showing the film are extending the period.

    Really? Have you a link for that?
    splinter65 wrote: »
    Disappointed?

    Not at all, why would I be? :confused:


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    #148
    TheRepentent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Actually due to a huge demand the amount of cinemas showing the film is to increase next week and cinemas actually showing the film are extending the period.
    Disappointed?
    hmmm was at the Joker on Sunday and stuck my head into the screen that was showing it and maybe 15 people watching it.......

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    #149
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Boggles wrote: »
    Really? Have you a link for that?



    Not at all, why would I be? :confused:

    Would that be like the link you provided to the film going straight to DVD?


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    #150
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    TheRepentent wrote: »
    hmmm was at the Joker on Sunday and stuck my head into the screen that was showing it and maybe 15 people watching it.......

    And?


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    #151
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 33,125 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    These type of films tend to play well in America I can't see there being a huge audience for them here...how many screens is it on here? What is the per screen average?

    I had a quick look at website
    Roughly 10 in ROI and 5 in North, it seems to have gone into a couple more IMC cinemas this week that's about it.
    Also some of them seem to be one night only and sponsored by or free showings done by groups (students for life, stanton healthcare)
    A quick Google says roughly 444 screens Ireland (2011 this has probably gone up).

    Stanton healthcare might just have a bit of an agenda
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/belfast-anti-abortion-centre-stanton-healthcare-peddling-false-cancer-claims-to-women-669bnk725


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