Bride and groom getting fired on Monday

Mad_maxx

Odhinn wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XETd9nSNAe8

mariaalice wrote: »

The fact that they are civil servants is a big part of it. Anyone working for the state has to uphold a higher standard than normal. I don't think they should be fired but there should be consequences.

A civil servant down here would need to be found with bodies in the boot of their car to get fired, if the same culture exists up north, i don't think that they need to worry about signing on the dole

Beechwoodspark

My one worry with this is the

Groom - is a teacher? Access to school and presumably Catholics in attendance.

Bride- is a nurse? Access to a hospital and hundreds of ppl. Scary. Also, as I highlighted, seems she and others in the video are on “something”’in the video.

AndrewJRenko

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I can't understand what business your opinion that you express in private at a private function filmed without your knowledge is to your employer.

It's very sinister. I am much more horified and offended by that.

I wouldn't care if someone was absolute pig in their spare time as long as they do their job.

So just to be clear, if the teacher or sports coach of your 13 year old child or nephew appeared on Newstalk as a spokesperson for the new Irish branch of NAMBLA or equivalent group that wants to lower the age of sexual consent to 12 and support adult /child sexual relationships, you would see any incompatibility between their public and professional roles?

Did I not say private function? Is a radio station expressing your opinion in private?

OK, so he expresses his views at a private meeting in a hotel function room, which is then widely reported in the national press? Or he expresses his views in the pub, and somebody records him and releases the tape. Does that cause any issues for you as a parent?

Sir Oxman

steddyeddy wrote: »

I think there's a point being missed here. I personally think they will be fired and probably should be fired. Everyone has a right to say whatever they want at a private function, however, rights come with responsibilities too. You can say whatever bigoted thing that enters your mind against Catholics, Protestants, black people, Jews or Muslims but you also have to accept that there might be certain consequences too it. Say these things to a small group of people and some of them may not find you good company anymore. If I say something bigoted and post it on social media then I have to accept that a lot of employers might have trouble hiring or keeping me. It's not a matter of being offended it's just a matter of not wanting to employ people who are racist, sectarian or whatever.

I really don't like social media giving so much power to the mob.
OTOH, no-one held a gun to the head of the idiot who posted it for all the world to see.

The scene to me was very ugly, a mindset that thinks that is in keeping with what's supposed to be the happiest day of your life seems to me to suggest that couple are happiest being sectarian.

Sectarianism isn't a good way to live your life and I think it has a very high potential to leak into your professional life.

Nurse and teacher?

I think for sure their employers will now have to take some action or have a chat with them.

A warning for everyone I think.

Tacitus Kilgore

Absolute yokels, they seem to be well matched trash though, I wish them the lifetime of coke fuelled hatred that they obviously crave.

Beechwoodspark

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Absolute yokels, they seem to be well matched trash though, I wish them the lifetime of coke fuelled hatred that they obviously crave.

Coke or something even harder. Worrying. Especially considering she apparently is a nurse.

Tacitus Kilgore

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Coke or something even harder. Worrying. Especially considering she apparently is a nurse.

What's this that would be even harder?

One eyed Jack

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

OK, so he expresses his views at a private meeting in a hotel function room, which is then widely reported in the national press? Or he expresses his views in the pub, and somebody records him and releases the tape. Does that cause any issues for you as a parent?

The scenarios really aren’t comparable Andrew because who you’re talking about would be a public figure and not a private citizen.

I just don’t know whether the couple themselves uploaded the video on social media of their wedding and the clip was taken out of context by someone who chose to highlight their issues with it, or whether it was a guest at the wedding who uploaded the video with the specific intent of stirring up an Internet lynch mob.

I personally didn’t see anything wrong or offensive going on there, but in another set of circumstances I might have done, such as the circumstances which came to light in the trial of a group of high profile rugby players in the north whose employment was terminated by their employers for breaching their employers code of conduct.

Portsalon

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Are they signaling to the guests that they are members of -or at the very least - supporters of one of the most notorious loyalist death squads in NI?

PSNI need to get on this ASAP.

Looks as though the HSE/your GP urgently need to arrange appointments for you - I'd hazard both extensive psychological tests and an examination of the bile duct are called for.

(As you probably don't know, an excess of bile can lead to gastric ulcers.)

godtabh

Audi R8
BMW M5
BMW X7

And hot hatch. Probably a Golf

Plumbthedepths

godtabh wrote: »

Audi R8
BMW M5
BMW X7

And hot hatch. Probably a Golf

Lotto cars, nice. But wrong thread.

Blazer

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

My one worry with this is the

Groom - is a teacher? Access to school and presumably Catholics in attendance.

Bride- is a nurse? Access to a hospital and hundreds of ppl. Scary. Also, as I highlighted, seems she and others in the video are on “something”’in the video.

Ah will you ever feck off Gemma ffs.

El Tarangu

Just goes to show why you should ask your guests not to post any photos/videos of the ceremony on social media...

meathstevie

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Yup, after the NI football fans were filmed singing sectarian songs in a pub during the Euros (there were consequences for some of them IIRC) you would think some common sense would be employed in terms of at least keeping the bigotry out of sight. :pac:

Why would bigotry even be part of a wedding? Like I said it's supposed to be one of the best days of your life.

Each to their own I guess.

Sure if the highlight of your life at the tender age of thirty something is the Twelfth bonfire and a slab of cheap lager watching a Rangers game than it was a cracking wedding.

Ash.J.Williams

If they were all enjoying it it's not abnormal...abnormal to us yes..

Would singing ooh ah up the ra in Madison Square garden be abnormal to them?

Tacitus Kilgore

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

If they were all enjoying it it's not abnormal...abnormal to us yes..

Would singing ooh ah up the ra in Madison Square garden be abnormal to them?

I'm in no way offended by it, but it's just really really feckin weird chanting hate songs walking in to your wedding reception - is it not? In the exact same way that walking in to come out ye black and tans would be really really fecking weird.

Ash.J.Williams

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I'm in no way offended by it, but it's just really really feckin weird chanting hate songs walking in to your wedding reception - is it not? In the exact same way that walking in to come out ye black and tans would be really really fecking weird.

I would say it's very weird especially seeing that they must have degrees etc..

nullzero

I'd like to think Uncle Andy and Red hand Luke from give my head peace were in attendance.

AndrewJRenko

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The scenarios really aren’t comparable Andrew because who you’re talking about would be a public figure and not a private citizen.

So a teacher who's private conversation indicating how the law should be changed to allow sexual relations with teenagers gets leaked should not face any professional consequences?

Granadino

Well, if they work for someone who was probably at the wedding, they won't be getting fired. It sums up the mentality of the people present who sing this song (and RA songs) in the first place, no matter where. At a wedding, in the pub etc. I have zero time for that music.

Granadino

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I would say it's very weird especially seeing that they must have degrees etc..

Degrees are the new leaving cert.

jmayo

Hotel in Carrickfergus hmmm.

Here was me thinking it might be Larne or Ballymena.:rolleyes:

Ash.J.Williams

Granadino wrote: »

Degrees are the new leaving cert.

No they're not ...stupid irrelevant comment

In Ireland we value nurse and teacher training and would imagine sectarianism would be put to the back of their mind

One eyed Jack

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So a teacher who's private conversation indicating how the law should be changed to allow sexual relations with teenagers gets leaked should not face any professional consequences?

Who said that? Who said anything even remotely like that?

You’re gone all Cathy Newman now and moving further away from the circumstances in this particular case. Whether or not the individuals involved in that video should or shouldn’t face sanctions from their employers is a matter between them and their employers.

They aren’t public figures, but private citizens acting in a private capacity at a private event, and it’s a matter for their employers to determine whether they should be sanctioned. It’s not a matter for the general public to have any say in making these decisions, because that’s nothing more than a lynch mob. Capitulating to lynch mobs has never worked out well for any society.

KaneToad

Private people. Private function. Should be no sanction from employer.

Distasteful behaviour, in my opinion. But they obviously see nothing wrong with it.

lawred2

Who's Cathy Newman?

AndrewJRenko

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Who said that? Who said anything even remotely like that?

You’re gone all Cathy Newman now and moving further away from the circumstances in this particular case. Whether or not the individuals involved in that video should or shouldn’t face sanctions from their employers is a matter between them and their employers.

They aren’t public figures, but private citizens acting in a private capacity at a private event, and it’s a matter for their employers to determine whether they should be sanctioned. It’s not a matter for the general public to have any say in making these decisions, because that’s nothing more than a lynch mob. Capitulating to lynch mobs has never worked out well for any society.

I'm trying to establish a principle.

Are there any non-criminal actions that a teacher or nurse can take in private that will have professional consequences for them?

One eyed Jack

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I'm trying to establish a principle.

Are there any non-criminal actions that a teacher or nurse can take in private that will have professional consequences for them?

The principle is already well established that employers are within their rights to sanction their employees for breaches of their code of conduct up to and including dismissal.

Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but the principle you appear to be trying to establish is that the general public should have the authority to make that determination. That’s called a lynch mob Andrew. It’s not a principle I would ever want to see established because it leads to mob rule, the antithesis of any judicial system.

Balf

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You’re gone all Cathy Newman now

lawred2 wrote: »

Who's Cathy Newman?

So you're saying its alright for people to engage in genocide on their wedding day.

Feisar

Am I the only one who thinks it's a lot of kerfuffle over very little?

It's their version of shouting "Sinn Féin, IRA" during The Fields of Athenry. I'd say they had Simply the Best as their entrance song, someone shouted in the line and it went from there.
It's sort of a ingrained latent sectarianism manifesting itself in the video.