Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2019/20

RobbingBandit

Wonder would Arsenal take Jones for Ozil

Lord TSC

Robson99 wrote: »

Matic for Ericksen would be a start.. Leave fernandes where he is

Bruno is a few years younger. Erikson is "PL proven".

I'd take either tbh. Hell, in an ideal world, I'd take both, especially if Pogba goes.

Lord TSC

Belgian press saying Jose wants Fellaini at Spurs. :P

Robson99

Minime2.5 wrote: »

I know he's only 27 but I do think Eriksens best days are behind him.

Has experience and could be enough to get us into 4th if a deal could be done in Jan

DM_7

Lord TSC wrote: »

Bruno is a few years younger. Erikson is "PL proven".

I'd take either tbh. Hell, in an ideal world, I'd take both, especially if Pogba goes.

I think Fernandes has more in his legs than Eriksen and can grow rather than regress.

Eriksen was up there as the best for running and I think he is going to slow down, it has already started.

He is playing 50 game seasons for a long time, started with Ajax at 17/18.

Cantona's Collars

Lord TSC wrote: »

Belgian press saying Jose wants Fellaini at Spurs. :P

Getting the gang back together. Apparently he wants Matic too so we should be looking at getting Erickson as part of any potential deal. He'd instantly be an upgrade on Mata or Pereira.

Annabella1

Annabella1 wrote: »

Fred
Feckin hell
What a transformation !

It's not really. There have been repeat glimpses of his technical ability and passing under pressure since he's been signed.
I've been saying it for 12 months but that's just me.
He's been scapegoated in the middle of a turbulent time at the club.

He has never gotten a full solid run of games up until now either. I'm confident he's adjusting to the English game.

Needs to cut out some minor mistakes but the mistakes he makes occasionally can be corrected.

Get rid of Perrera and ensure that Utd sign a top class CM and I think there will be some strong depth in a midfield rotation with Fred playing a strong part in it.

ShooterSF

Re: Pogba, the thing for me is ideally he'd play most games in the 10 role and move to the bench for games against the bigger teams where we need a bit more aggression and a little less creative passes cutting open rugged defenses, but I just can't see him being okay with that role and a sulky player shouldn't be near the pitch at all.

BDI

ShooterSF wrote: »

Re: Pogba, the thing for me is ideally he'd play most games in the 10 role and move to the bench for games against the bigger teams where we need a bit more aggression and a little less creative passes cutting open rugged defenses, but I just can't see him being okay with that role and a sulky player shouldn't be near the pitch at all.

Just like park ji seung used to replace a creative player for the big games.

Beasty

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Getting the gang back together. Apparently he wants Matic too so we should be looking at getting Erickson as part of any potential deal. He'd instantly be an upgrade on Mata or Pereira.

Does he want Pogba? - could do a swap for Harry Kane

:pac::pac:

xtal191

https://twitter.com/jackamol1/status/1203775829840408578

Bleating Lamb

Anyone here follow the Portuguese league closely?

Wonder is Bruno Fernandes playing as well as he was last season?

Doubt he would be available to buy during the January transfer period.

PARlance

BDI wrote: »

Just like park ji seung used to replace a creative player for the big games.

Lingard will be Ole's Park. He already is.

LoughNeagh2017

I see this was uploaded today

PARlance

ShooterSF wrote: »

Re: Pogba, the thing for me is ideally he'd play most games in the 10 role and move to the bench for games against the bigger teams where we need a bit more aggression and a little less creative passes cutting open rugged defenses, but I just can't see him being okay with that role and a sulky player shouldn't be near the pitch at all.

As much as I rate Pogba, I think I would cash in on him and get 2 or 3 top quality players with the funds. The "will he want away/will someone make a crazy offer" cloud will always hang over him, and that's less than ideal.

As much as I want us to sign a 10 in January, I don't think it'll happen. It's going to be hard to sign one during that window as there isn't a lot of them floating around. I think we'll probably get a backup striker and the plan will be to play Pogba at 10, for the remainder of the season, once he returns.

I would be interested to see how he does at 10 but I would sell him during the summer. I'd take Maddison, a DM and a RW in his place.

I can't see us going for Fernandes, the word was that the Scouts didn't fancy him that much and I can see why there may be doubts.... he didn't do much while at 2 Italian clubs and there's doubts about the level he's playing at. 1 great season in a poor league at 23... I would be cautious. I can't see us going for Eriksen but he is a 10 that could be got in January. I just don't think we'll like his attitude. The ability is undoubted though.

Maddison would still be my choice. He fits the bill of this new transfer strategy and I think we can turn his head even if Leicester have a great year. We'll have to pay silly money for him but so be it.

Father Hernandez

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Anyone here follow the Portuguese league closely?

Wonder is Bruno Fernandes playing as well as he was last season?

Doubt he would be available to buy during the January transfer period.

I do for work purposes and he's playing well still. Not the same heights as last season although that was exceptional, he’s still having a major impact.

He’s their focal point in attack although Sporting have had an underwhelming start to the season domestically 13 points behind Benfica.

They’ve qualified from their group in EL, Fernandes top goal scorer. Bar the creativity side of things, his work ethic is excellent and he’s a set piece specialist, one thing United badly lacking IMO. I’d love him to be signed.

ParkRunner

PARlance wrote: »

As much as I rate Pogba, I think I would cash in on him and get 2 or 3 top quality players with the funds. The "will he want away/will someone make a crazy offer" cloud will always hang over him, and that's less than ideal.

As much as I want us to sign a 10 in January, I don't think it'll happen. It's going to be hard to sign one during that window as there isn't a lot of them floating around. I think we'll probably get a backup striker and the plan will be to play Pogba at 10, for the remainder of the season, once he returns.

I would be interested to see how he does at 10 but I would sell him during the summer. I'd take Maddison, a DM and a RW in his place.

I can't see us going for Fernandes, the word was that the Scouts didn't fancy him that much and I can see why there may be doubts.... he didn't do much while at 2 Italian clubs and there's doubts about the level he's playing at. 1 great season in a poor league at 23... I would be cautious. I can't see us going for Eriksen but he is a 10 that could be got in January. I just don't think we'll like his attitude. The ability is undoubted though.

Maddison would still be my choice. He fits the bill of this new transfer strategy and I think we can turn his head even if Leicester have a great year. We'll have to pay silly money for him but so be it.

Risky business leaving it til the summer time to sell. Pogba has already showed he has no problem running his contract down and walking away for free. If a €85m+ offer comes in over the next few weeks the club should take it.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Pogba scenario could be similar to Coutinho.

Maddison or Grealish both would be bring aggression and leadership but not sure if they will hit top class standards.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

ParkRunner wrote: »

Risky business leaving it til the summer time to sell. Pogba has already showed he has no problem running his contract down and walking away for free. If a €85m+ offer comes in over the next few weeks the club should take it.

85? Add a one to that. 185.

ParkRunner

Pheonix10 wrote: »

85? Add a one to that. 185.

Ok I see there is an optional 1 year extension so yes €100m+ but €185m the club wouldn’t get that money, mostly because not many big clubs have it

0gac3yjefb5sv7

ParkRunner wrote: »

Ok I see there is an optional 1 year extension so yes €100m+ but €185m the club wouldn’t get that money, mostly because not many big clubs have it

It's about time we held out. If they want him, they'll pay.

Cookiemunster

ParkRunner wrote: »

Risky business leaving it til the summer time to sell. Pogba has already showed he has no problem running his contract down and walking away for free. If a €85m+ offer comes in over the next few weeks the club should take it.

We paid €100m for him pre the Neymar, Mbappe, Dembele, Coutinho, Joao Feliz and Griezmann transfers. If Coutinho is worth €120m, the so is Pogba. Hell, 33 year old Ronaldo cost Juve €100m.

If Real are that desperate for him, they'll pay the money.

Minime2.5

Have any of you seen Kai Harvetz play. Probably Bayern bound but he looks like another option for that no 10 or pogba replacement role

Drumpot

Cookiemunster wrote: »

We paid €100m for him pre the Neymar, Mbappe, Dembele, Coutinho, Joao Feliz and Griezmann transfers. If Coutinho is worth €120m, the so is Pogba. Hell, 33 year old Ronaldo cost Juve €100m.

If Real are that desperate for him, they'll pay the money.

Effectively I presume Pogbas contract is 2.5 years if you include the add on year option so I guess we are ok once he’s sold by the end of this summers transfer . He’s 27 in March so I don’t think he wants to spend his peak years at a club rebuilding itself. I think United are in a strong position to dig their heels in once he’s not able to cause too much trouble to the first team.

Also saw what I hope are stupid rumours that Madrid are trying to offload a couple of players in the Pogba deal. Hope the club refuses anything but money.

8-10

Cookiemunster wrote: »

If Coutinho is worth €120m

He's not. IIRC he paid about 11m of his own money on the transfer.

Potential Underachiever

Pheonix10 wrote: »

85? Add a one to that. 185.

Pheonix10 wrote: »

It's about time we held out. If they want him, they'll pay.

Cookiemunster wrote: »

We paid €100m for him pre the Neymar, Mbappe, Dembele, Coutinho, Joao Feliz and Griezmann transfers. If Coutinho is worth €120m, the so is Pogba. Hell, 33 year old Ronaldo cost Juve €100m.

If Real are that desperate for him, they'll pay the money.

So Utd will be keeping Pogba I guess.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

So Utd will be keeping Pogba I guess.

Madrid will pay 150+. Definitely.

Cantona's Collars

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Madrid will pay 150+. Definitely.

Whispers of PSG waiting in the wings too.

My problem is I don't expect that money to be fully re-invested in the squad.
More free cash for the Glazers to suck out of the club.

Mitch Connor

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Madrid will pay 150+. Definitely.

Could be posturing, paper talk and negortiations.... but the lastest talk is that while Zidane is a fan, Perez is not and doesn't want to spend more than 50million on Pogba, doesn't think he is worth more.

Juve and, more so imo, PSG seem more likely destinations at this point.

Its going to be interesting to see what happens with Pogba.

It seems he wants Madrid far more than they want him.

Drumpot

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Could be posturing, paper talk and negortiations.... but the lastest talk is that while Zidane is a fan, Perez is not and doesn't want to spend more than 50million on Pogba, doesn't think he is worth more.

Juve and, more so imo, PSG seem more likely destinations at this point.

Its going to be interesting to see what happens with Pogba.

It seems he wants Madrid far more than they want him.

Pogba may end up taking a PSG bid just to get out of manchester and end up in Madrid in a year or two, like Di Maria when he joined us and wanted out quickly . .

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Could be posturing, paper talk and negortiations.... but the lastest talk is that while Zidane is a fan, Perez is not and doesn't want to spend more than 50million on Pogba, doesn't think he is worth more.

Juve and, more so imo, PSG seem more likely destinations at this point.

Its going to be interesting to see what happens with Pogba.

It seems he wants Madrid far more than they want him.

50m lol. Romero would be worth that. He can stay hoping if he doesn't triple or quadruple that amount.

Mitch Connor

Drumpot wrote: »

Pogba may end up taking a PSG bid just to get out of manchester and end up in Madrid in a year or two, like Di Maria when he joined us and wanted out quickly . .

If I wanted to do a short term move - PSG are the last team I'd be looking at.

PSG bought Neymar because Barcelona bid for Veratti. You think PSG would be a willing patsy in a short term move?

PARlance

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My problem is I don't expect that money to be fully re-invested in the squad.
More free cash for the Glazers to suck out of the club.

Ya, I wouldn't expect to see the full value of it either. If they had 150 earmarked for next summer and they sell Pogba for 150, then I'd guess they might up the kitty to 200-220, or something like that.

It might make a difference if it meant that all our top targets where within reach (i.e. the extra funds making sure the deals got done no matter what) and they blew us away with 3 top quality signings.

Liam O

8-10 wrote: »

He's not. IIRC he paid about 11m of his own money on the transfer.

Amazing what people will believe.

You really think a player is paying that kind of money from his own pocket to make a move? I believe without fact checking myself it was a reduction in his basic wage packet over the length of his contract, more than likely made up for and then some by Nike, chauffeur businesses etc.

Mitch Connor

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1203996833082679297

Mitch Connor

Liam O wrote: »

Amazing what people will believe.

You really think a player is paying that kind of money from his own pocket to make a move? I believe without fact checking myself it was a reduction in his basic wage packet over the length of his contract, more than likely made up for and then some by Nike, chauffeur businesses etc.

Could also be that he was due 11million in a signing on fee from his liverpool contract and would have been due that amount from Liverpool prior to selling, but went without it to get the deal done. I think that is a common enough factor.

Drumpot

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If I wanted to do a short term move - PSG are the last team I'd be looking at.

PSG bought Neymar because Barcelona bid for Veratti. You think PSG would be a willing patsy in a short term move?

I was thinking more the player using PSG as opposed to the other way around but I suppose Neymar would be a red flag to Pogba in that scenario.

Mitch Connor

I do wonder if there are players that Madrid would be happy to move on to us, that we might be minded to take, that could see a deal done.

There is paper talk of Kross, Bale, Isco, James being players Madrid would be happy to move on. Kross and Isco would interest me, Kroos in for Fred and Isco at number 10 for Lingard?

Obviously there would be concerns, Isco hitting 28 soon and Kroos would be 30 by the time he would be playing for United (were such a deal done). Both good players, fantastic on their day, but is that day been and gone? I dunno, its not like they are OAPs but it is a thought.

The other side is that we probably need to add experience to the side and someone like Kroos in midfield could be invaluable beside McTominay and as an influence on youner players like Rashford, James, McTominay, AWB, Williams etc.

EDIT: Get 2 or 3 years out of Kroos, and see where the midfield is at that point. Could have someone like Garner, who is very highly rated, pushing into that spot. I dunno, could be interesting. But who knows if Kroos is actually a possibility.

damowill

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I do wonder if there are players that Madrid would be happy to move on to us, that we might be minded to take, that could see a deal done.

There is paper talk of Kross, Bale, Isco, James being players Madrid would be happy to move on. Kross and Isco would interest me, Kroos in for Fred and Isco at number 10 for Lingard?

Obviously there would be concerns, Isco hitting 28 soon and Kroos would be 30 by the time he would be playing for United (were such a deal done). Both good players, fantastic on their day, but is that day been and gone? I dunno, its not like they are OAPs but it is a thought.

The other side is that we probably need to add experience to the side and someone like Kroos in midfield could be invaluable beside McTominay and as an influence on youner players like Rashford, James, McTominay, AWB, Williams etc.

EDIT: Get 2 or 3 years out of Kroos, and see where the midfield is at that point. Could have someone like Garner, who is very highly rated, pushing into that spot. I dunno, could be interesting. But who knows if Kroos is actually a possibility.

Listened to Graham Hunter on Off the Ball a while back, and he said Kroos was finished. He likened him to an 80 year old ex footballer sitting in the centre circle all game. legs are gone and he doesnt get around the pitch any more. So its a bit of the Schweinsteiger about him.

Mitch Connor

damowill wrote: »

Listened to Graham Hunter on Off the Ball a while back, and he said Kroos was finished. He likened him to an 80 year old ex footballer sitting in the centre circle all game. legs are gone and he doesnt get around the pitch any more. So its a bit of the Schweinsteiger about him.

Fair enough, that should be a no based on that. but who knows with United.

Cantona's Collars

damowill wrote: »

Listened to Graham Hunter on Off the Ball a while back, and he said Kroos was finished. He likened him to an 80 year old ex footballer sitting in the centre circle all game. legs are gone and he doesnt get around the pitch any more. So its a bit of the Schweinsteiger about him.

He doesn't fit with Ole's vision for the club either,too old. We don't want cast offs from Madrid as they try to get a cheap deal for Pogba.

Mitch Connor

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

He doesn't fit with Ole's vision for the club either,too old. We don't want cast offs from Madrid as they try to get a cheap deal for Pogba.

Ole's vision for the club can't be a team full of 21 years olds. It simply can't, and I don't believe for one second that it is.

There has to be a mixture of youth and experience.

The Nal

damowill wrote: »

Listened to Graham Hunter on Off the Ball a while back, and he said Kroos was finished. He likened him to an 80 year old ex footballer sitting in the centre circle all game. legs are gone and he doesnt get around the pitch any more. So its a bit of the Schweinsteiger about him.

Thats not true. Hes been excellent. Hes only just signed a new contract too.

billyhead

The young Norwegian Odegaard at real and money for Pogba perhaps?

KH25

Not a fan of a swap deal for Pogba. 100% money or nothing.

Father Hernandez

KH25 wrote: »

Not a fan of a swap deal for Pogba. 100% money or nothing.

Swap deals are rare enough too.

Odegaard has had a fantastic season at Sociedad tbf, can't see it happening.

Agreed, 100% money or nowt.

Drumpot

Anybody see a scenario where Pogba knuckles down, comes into the side and makes us even stronger/better?

Cantona's Collars

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Ole's vision for the club can't be a team full of 21 years olds. It simply can't, and I don't believe for one second that it is.

There has to be a mixture of youth and experience.

I meant he doesn't want over the hill players,did you forget about the Sanchez fiasco?

damowill

Drumpot wrote: »

Anybody see a scenario where Pogba knuckles down, comes into the side and makes us even stronger/better?

In the short term, post january transfer window, up until the summer, YES. As its the Euros in the summer, he needs to be playing, and playing fairly well at that to ensure he gets a starting place in the French team. But he and his agent will try and find an exit solution in January no doubt.