Next GLAS scheme ?

80sDiesel

Any news on the proposed sucesser to the current GLAS which expires next year ?

Muckit

Is it Sept 2020 that Glas1 runs out?

Water John

Thought I heard it wouldn't be repeated, certainly not in its current form.
I would expect something more comprehensive around wildlife and also minimising carbon. Might take the form of a more individual plan for each farm.

Danzy

Water John wrote: »

Thought I heard it wouldn't be repeated, certainly not in its current form.
I would expect something more comprehensive around wildlife and also minimising carbon. Might take the form of a more individual plan for each farm.

They'll be a new scheme alright, legally required now.

Water John

You can see here, a lot of environmental standards may be tied to BPS.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/recognising-the-importance-of-hedgerows-and-woodland-habitats/

uck51js9zml2yt

Local farmer told me that to qualify for Glas he planted blackcurrant bushes in his hedgerow.

Nekarsulm

Kira Shaggy Skeptic wrote: »

Local farmer told me that to qualify for Glas he planted blackcurrant bushes in his hedgerow.

I planted blackberry bushes in mine.
They are very successful so far!

john mayo 10

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Kira Shaggy Skeptic wrote: »

Local farmer told me that to qualify for Glas he planted blackcurrant bushes in his hedgerow.

I planted blackberry bushes in mine.
They are very successful so far!

Fecking briars are very successful alright

uck51js9zml2yt

How do I register my 4.5 acres as a farm? I've loads of blackcurrant bushes

Birdnuts

Kira Shaggy Skeptic wrote: »

How do I register my 4.5 acres as a farm? I've loads of blackcurrant bushes

Notice the East Europeans back home very keen on gathering wild fruit like this - and mushrooms;)

Base price

Birdnuts wrote: »

Notice the East Europeans back home very keen on gathering wild fruit like this - and mushrooms;)

I brought our Latvian friends daughters blackberry picking on the farm a few weeks ago. I haven't seen any local children/farming children picking blackberries in years - TBH I think they would starve quicker

Base price

Birdnuts wrote: »

Notice the East Europeans back home very keen on gathering wild fruit like this - and mushrooms;)

Like other years, I brought our Latvian friends daughters blackberry picking on the farm a few weeks ago. I haven't seen any local children/farming children picking blackberries in years - TBH I think they would starve quicker

Grueller

Base price wrote: »

Like other years, I brought our Latvian friends daughters blackberry picking on the farm a few weeks ago. I haven't seen any local children/farming children picking blackberries in years - TBH I think they would starve quicker

My two pick them every year. They got 16 lbs this year.

Say my name

Birdnuts wrote: »

Notice the East Europeans back home very keen on gathering wild fruit like this - and mushrooms;)

There was an article in the financial times phrased from Poles living in the UK.
It basically went on about how the Poles will be fine and know how to live after brexit. They grew up in communist times when food was short and what to stockpile and what vegetables to eat.
Seems all the brits could die from scurvy and the Poles will be living on cabbage and preserved cabbage.

Hard Knocks

Base price wrote: »

Like other years, I brought our Latvian friends daughters blackberry picking on the farm a few weeks ago. I haven't seen any local children/farming children picking blackberries in years - TBH I think they would starve quicker

Did it ourselves as kids,
Say a parent scolding a child for doing it as there is poison on them
It’s sad how trying to protect our kids means they miss out on life’s pleasures

sonnybill

3million allocated in budget for piloting new agri environmental schemes

Hard Knocks

sonnybill wrote: »

3million allocated in budget for piloting new agri environmental schemes

How far would 3M go if every farmer joined

Water John

Good grief, they've enough piloting. Last time the the Glas designers never consulted the Organic section in the Dept.
€5M that was left over elsewhere was what reopened Organic Scheme. Might cover 200 farmers. What do they expect €3M to do?

Hard Knocks, it would buy a few pints of an evening.

sonnybill

Hard Knocks wrote: »

How far would 3M go if every farmer joined

3 million - only Researching into what would work best

200 -250 million - Current glas annual cost at say

50,000 farmers at E5000

Water John

So, looks like next Glas will be delayed for years so?

toleratethis

Last I heard, which was ages ago, was GLAS to be rolled over for another year. That may be out of date now.

Water John

It's a 5 year contract, so each farmer would have to, opt in for the extra year.
If I get into Organic Scheme I might stay out of Glas. Free up WBC and meadow.

toleratethis

Water John wrote: »

It's a 5 year contract, so each farmer would have to, opt in for the extra year.
If I get into Organic Scheme I might stay out of Glas. Free up WBC and meadow.

Funny but I've been thinking about organic here too, is it that you can't be in both?

endainoz

toleratethis wrote:

Funny but I've been thinking about organic here too, is it that you can't be in both?

You can do both for sure, but you can't claim organic premiums on the glas portions of your land. The glas land would still be considered organic, but you won't be able to claim on them untill your glas contract is over.

Capercaillie

endainoz wrote: »

You can do both for sure, but you can't claim organic premiums on the glas portions of your land. The glas land would still be considered organic, but you won't be able to claim on them untill your glas contract is over.

Yip, can't claim two different agri-environmental scheme payments for the same land parcel.

Water John

The problem with the Glas, from a farming POV is that, it locks each parcel into what it's classified for, WBC would be very handy to rotate and improve different plots. I'm also stuck with the meadow and want to graze it instead.

monseiur

Not wishing to hijack this tread, but can I ask a quick question of behalf of elderly lad from the village . He is in this Glass scheme for 4 years and was claiming on 5 horses. Just lately he sold 2 of his horses, so his question is - because he has reduced the number or horses during the course of the scheme, will he have to pay back the grant he has been paid on all 5 of his horse or just the 2 he sold. For health and other reasons his does not intend to buy replacements for the ones sold. ( I understood from him that the particular scheme he's in lasts a total or 5 years)
Hope his question makes some sense to those of you who are knowledgeable about these schemes.
He had an advisor/ planner but he says he's unable to contact him, he heard a rumour in his local that he's no longer in business.

jntsnk

sonnybill wrote: »

3 million - only Researching into what would work best

200 -250 million - Current glas annual cost at say

50,000 farmers at E5000

It should be more than €5000.

Water John

It isn't the number of animals, in this case horses that he declared at the start. It's about a minimum stocking rate each year.
I think its set at 0.15/Ha.
For example if I have 5 cows, that allows me to claim on 33 Ha.
So if a horse is the same as a cow, and you need to check, then he now has 3 horses and if he is claiming on more than 20Ha, he needs to buy an animal or two.

As you can see the stocking needed is very low. I could be wrong on this, hopefully others would be along to clarify.

_Brian

Water John wrote: »

It isn't the number of animals, in this case horses that he declared at the start. It's about a minimum stocking rate each year.
I think its set at 0.15/Ha.
For example if I have 5 cows, that allows me to claim on 33 Ha.
So if a horse is the same as a cow, and you need to check, then he now has 3 horses and if he is claiming on more than 20Ha, he needs to buy an animal or two.

As you can see the stocking needed is very low. I could be wrong on this, hopefully others would be along to clarify.

Is there not a change now that horses/donkeys can only make up a % of the stocking rate ??

Lady Haywire

I think the first thing to ask is if they're being used (or were being used) as part of the Rare Breeds section of GLAS instead of just for Livestock Units.
Because it states that with Rare breeds-

Payment will be made in arrears based on the monthly average livestock units of owned registered animals over the previous recording year.

So if it's just because they're in it for Rare breeds, selling them shouldn't be an issue.
Page 47 here-
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/glastranche1/GLASTranche1Spec161015.pdf

Water John

I think it's 50% donkeys. Don't know if that applies to horses?
We could be mixing up different schemes here also, might be BPS.

Muckit

Water John wrote: »

I think it's 50% donkeys. Don't know if that applies to horses?
We could be mixing up different schemes here also, might be BPS.

ANC you mean?

Water John

Yeah, you're head would get confused.

Birdnuts

Water John wrote: »

I think it's 50% donkeys. Don't know if that applies to horses?
We could be mixing up different schemes here also, might be BPS.

Yes - and I should know;)

monseiur

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I think the first thing to ask is if they're being used (or were being used) as part of the Rare Breeds section of GLAS instead of just for Livestock Units.
Because it states that with Rare breeds-


So if it's just because they're in it for Rare breeds, selling them shouldn't be an issue.
Page 47 here-
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/glastranche1/GLASTranche1Spec161015.pdf

Apologies all, I should have explained that he had his 5 horses in for the Rare Breed section, this is specifically for Glass Scheme.
It seems he was told by either someone form the Department of Agriculture or his planner that he would have to have 5 horses for the full duration of the scheme (which I think he said is 5 years) or otherwise the Department would claw back all grants paid from day one. He is not sure if that means all grant paid under the scheme would have to be paid back or just the grant paid on the 2 horses he sold before the 5 years was up

Lady Haywire

monseiur wrote: »

Apologies all, I should have explained that he had his 5 horses in for the Rare Breed section, this is specifically for Glass Scheme.
It seems he was told by either someone form the Department of Agriculture or his planner that he would have to have 5 horses for the full duration of the scheme (which I think he said is 5 years) or otherwise the Department would claw back all grants paid from day one. He is not sure if that means all grant paid under the scheme would have to be paid back or just the grant paid on the 2 horses he sold before the 5 years was up

Clawing it back doesn't really make sense though....what if two horses happened to die? Would have been a natural occurrence & yet would leave him short.
Now i've no rare breeds in GLAS so only going by what I read online & FAQ's but it only specifies a full clawback if a female of breeding age hasn't produced offspring in the 5 years.
So my take on it, if they're females & have bred foals while included in the scheme in the years prior to this, they'll just be dropped the 200 per year.
If they have not bred anything, then a full payback will be needed.

I'm open to correction on this though!!

monseiur

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Clawing it back doesn't really make sense though....what if two horses happened to die? Would have been a natural occurrence & yet would leave him short.
Now i've no rare breeds in GLAS so only going by what I read online & FAQ's but it only specifies a full clawback if a female of breeding age hasn't produced offspring in the 5 years.
So my take on it, if they're females & have bred foals while included in the scheme in the years prior to this, they'll just be dropped the 200 per year.
If they have not bred anything, then a full payback will be needed.

I'm open to correction on this though!!

Thanks Lady Haywire, it all makes a lot of sense to me now. So any claw back will be deducted from any future payments coming to him.
Will pop around to the old lad this evening to give him the good news.
Thanks all for your advise.

M.

Lady Haywire

monseiur wrote: »

Thanks Lady Haywire, it all makes a lot of sense to me now. So any claw back will be deducted from any future payments coming to him.
Will pop around to the old lad this evening to give him the good news.
Thanks all for your advise.

M.

Not sure about that but the breeding of females & payments based on numbers after documents submitted for the animals each year hopefully is the way I've tried to explain it!

monseiur

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Not sure about that but the breeding of females & payments based on numbers after documents submitted for the animals each year hopefully is the way I've tried to explain it!

Lady Haywire, you explained it very well indeed and greatly appreciated.
I guess what I was trying to say is that if any of the female horses that he recently sold did not produce a foal since he joined the scheme, all grants paid on these horses to date will be clawed back.

_Brian

monseiur wrote: »

Lady Haywire, you explained it very well indeed and greatly appreciated.
I guess what I was trying to say is that if any of the female horses that he recently sold did not produce a foal since he joined the scheme, all grants paid on these horses to date will be clawed back.

See why she gets the big bucks writing for the Farmers Journal. 😉

Lady Haywire

monseiur wrote: »

Lady Haywire, you explained it very well indeed and greatly appreciated.
I guess what I was trying to say is that if any of the female horses that he recently sold did not produce a foal since he joined the scheme, all grants paid on these horses to date will be clawed back.

Yes, that's my take on it!

_Brian wrote: »

See why she gets the big bucks writing for the Farmers Journal. ��

:pac: First I've heard of that!

peterofthebr

hiya, ive a river running through part of my fields , ive fenced it off myself (but over time the posts keep breaking with bullocks scraching etc). i only deal with store/finshing cattle.
Id be interested in maybe gettng into this GLAS thingy if it reopened just to get €1.5 per meter to get a contractor to properly fewnce off both sides of the river(using google ruler im talking about 0.85km total length of fencing)..but honesly not aware of any of the other stuff thats part of the scheme...
whats the generae feel of those who get into it back in 2015 ?? good and bad comments welcome ;-) many thanks...

Farmer_3650

peterofthebr wrote: »

hiya, ive a river running through part of my fields , ive fenced it off myself (but over time the posts keep breaking with bullocks scraching etc). i only deal with store/finshing cattle.
Id be interested in maybe gettng into this GLAS thingy if it reopened just to get €1.5 per meter to get a contractor to properly fewnce off both sides of the river(using google ruler im talking about 0.85km total length of fencing)..but honesly not aware of any of the other stuff thats part of the scheme...
whats the generae feel of those who get into it back in 2015 ?? good and bad comments welcome ;-) many thanks...

I am in GLAS the last 5 years and protection of watercourses from Bovines is one of the things I get paid for, I had a single row of electric wire along 981m of river and it covered me even though I don't keep Cattle on that side of the farm. Well worth getting into, but I dont know if it'll be one of the required measures in the next version of GLAS.

jfh

Farmer_3650 wrote: »

I am in GLAS the last 5 years and protection of watercourses from Bovines is one of the things I get paid for, I had a single row of electric wire along 981m of river and it covered me even though I don't keep Cattle on that side of the farm. Well worth getting into, but I dont know if it'll be one of the required measures in the next version of GLAS.

I'm not sure all watercourses are allowed, tried to get a stream that runs through my farm fenced but my glas planner advised that it wasn't an approved water course so you might want to check it out first

Farmer_3650

jfh wrote: »

I'm not sure all watercourses are allowed, tried to get a stream that runs through my farm fenced but my glas planner advised that it wasn't an approved water course so you might want to check it out first

Its a Stream about 8 foot wide we are getting paid on

Base price

jfh wrote: »

I'm not sure all watercourses are allowed, tried to get a stream that runs through my farm fenced but my glas planner advised that it wasn't an approved water course so you might want to check it out first

Apparently there are anomalies. We have a stream that borders part of the farm but we could not apply for fencing under GLAS yet our neighbour on the other side could. Apparently it was because we had a bank along our side but our neighbour's land ran directly to it

morphy87

I am in GLAS and I am receiving my final payment at Christmas, I am just wondering what is the story about next year? I have heard off people that they are going to extend it for one year till a new scheme is in place, has anyone any information on this

Water John

Yes, one year ext TMK as new REPS scheme won't be ready. I'd presume whilst it's an add on, it can't simply be a rollover, as the GLAS is a fixed term legal agreement between the farmer and the Dept. I presume we all will be asked to sign some bit of paper.

Farmer_3650

morphy87 wrote: »

I am in GLAS and I am receiving my final payment at Christmas, I am just wondering what is the story about next year? I have heard off people that they are going to extend it for one year till a new scheme is in place, has anyone any information on this

I heard that too, but I hope its not extended. Have ground in LIPP and was hoping to carry out some reclamation and re-seeding on some of it. Like said above, there'll probably be an option if you want to continue or not.

morphy87

Water John wrote: »

Yes, one year ext TMK as new REPS scheme won't be ready. I'd presume whilst it's an add on, it can't simply be a rollover, as the GLAS is a fixed term legal agreement between the farmer and the Dept. I presume we all will be asked to sign some bit of paper.

How much an acre do they reckon the new reps will be? Out of curiosity how much an acre was the old reps scheme worth?