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Two people killed with submachine gun outside synagogue in Halle, Germany

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    #32
    Danzy
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    tdf7187 wrote: »
    If it's a white supremacist it shows that European Jewry faces threats from both Islamism and the traditional enemy of Nazism. Dreadful that Jewish communities in Germany are not immune having already faced attacks in France and Denmark.

    Fellow a few days ago stormed into a synagogue in Berlin with s knife, screaming Allah hu Akbar.

    How many even heard about the Syrian trying to run people over with a lorry last week.

    Doesn't even warrant a single inch of a paper now.


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    #33
    tdf7187
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    Danzy wrote: »
    Fellow a few days ago stormed into a synagogue in Berlin with s knife, screaming Allah hu Akbar.

    Doesn't even warrant a single inch of a paper now.

    Shocking. I didn't even know that.


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    #34
    blueshade
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    Why is it that when a white male goes on a killing spree he's labelled a white supremacist but when a Muslim goes on a killing spree he's mentally ill? Both do it because they believe their race/religion is superior. It's appalling that people with mental illness have been thrown under the bus in order to pretend that Europe doesn't have a problem with Islamic terrorists. People with genuine mental illness are stigmatised enough as it is. Not only that but it is an insult to the public to blatantly lie to our faces and pretend that Islamic terrorists aren't committing atrocities in Europe that it's only some mentally ill ''lone wolfs''.


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    #35
    Thelonious Monk
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    blueshade wrote: »
    Why is it that when a white male goes on a killing spree he's labelled a white supremacist but when a Muslim goes on a killing spree he's mentally ill? Both do it because they believe their race/religion is superior. It's appalling that people with mental illness have been thrown under the bus in order to pretend that Europe doesn't have a problem with Islamic terrorists. People with genuine mental illness are stigmatised enough as it is. Not only that but it is an insult to the public to blatantly lie to our faces and pretend that Islamic terrorists aren't committing atrocities in Europe that it's only some mentally ill ''lone wolfs''.

    No one cares if it's a white person doing the killing. This thread is dead. Imagine it was a Muslim, it'd be up to 100 pages by now and going for ages.


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    #36
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    No one cares if it's a white person doing the killing. This thread is dead. Imagine it was a Muslim, it'd be up to 100 pages by now and going for ages.

    I'd say there were a few had the hankies and hand cream at the ready when the news 1st broke.


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    #37
    [Deleted User]
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    Assetbacked wrote: »
    This is disturbing to think hobbyists with no ongoing checks or demonstrable responsibility or intelligence are handling guns and learning how to fire them.

    Comments on intelligence aside - this is indeed one good thing about licensing. Which Germany has. Not sure the US does? Perhaps this is one of the differences I mentioned above?
    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Self-assessed responsibility is too risky

    Indeed - which is why we were under the guide of a professional. Not a police officer - but a professional none the less. I would respect their expertise on the matter before the self assessed expertise of a stranger on the internet. I would not be the first person either.

    But that tangent aside - I think the point here is that whatever the solution to tragedies like this one are - I have never had the knee jerk "no guns for anyone but cops" reaction to them in the US or the EU. There are millions of them in Germany and generally things are ok there. Why is that compared to - say - the US?


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    #38
    James Brown
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    blueshade wrote: »
    Why is it that when a white male goes on a killing spree he's labelled a white supremacist but when a Muslim goes on a killing spree he's mentally ill? Both do it because they believe their race/religion is superior. It's appalling that people with mental illness have been thrown under the bus in order to pretend that Europe doesn't have a problem with Islamic terrorists. People with genuine mental illness are stigmatised enough as it is. Not only that but it is an insult to the public to blatantly lie to our faces and pretend that Islamic terrorists aren't committing atrocities in Europe that it's only some mentally ill ''lone wolfs''.

    You'll find its actually the complete opposite.
    If a white male, (usually Christian) carries out a mass killing it's because he was mentally ill, a bad egg, played video games or watched porn too much. Whereas if a Muslim does it it's all about the religion and how evil the religion is.


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    #39
    Woodsie1
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    No one cares if it's a white person doing the killing. This thread is dead. Imagine it was a Muslim, it'd be up to 100 pages by now and going for ages.

    Yeh like the thread on the Paris attack.
    Oh wait...its near enough the same length as this one.
    You couldn't lie straight in bed you leftists.


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    #40
    rosser44
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    Apparently one of the attackers (I think police believe there were 2) livestreamed the attack on twitch. Scary echos of the Christchurch attack.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Rita_Katz/status/1181964825171255297
    ( note no video footage in the above link)

    At the start of the video he says in English "the root of the problem are the Jews"


    Scary to think we might be sliding backwards towards thinking like that in Europe again.


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    #41
    James Brown
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    Woodsie1 wrote: »
    Yeh like the thread on the Paris attack.
    Oh wait...its near enough the same length as this one.
    You couldn't lie straight in bed you leftists.

    Came in to share your condolences did you?


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    #42
    Woodsie1
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Came in to share your condolences did you?

    Haven't seen yours...only more whinging about if it was Muslims blah blah


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    #43
    blueshade
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    You'll find its actually the complete opposite.
    If a white male, (usually Christian) carries out a mass killing it's because he was mentally ill, a bad egg, played video games or watched porn too much. Whereas if a Muslim does it it's all about the religion and how evil the religion is.

    Now now, don't be telling porkies.


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    #44
    blueshade
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    No one cares if it's a white person doing the killing. This thread is dead. Imagine it was a Muslim, it'd be up to 100 pages by now and going for ages.

    Well, as yet there's no information on the identities of the terrorists and terrorists is what they are, whatever colour, ideology or cause they did this for. There's also the fact that many people have their knickers in a knot blaming Trump for Erdogan invading Syria today. I think there are far more Trump bashers than Muslim haters on Boards. I'm not a Trump fan and I don't hate Muslims.


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    #45
    Stop moaning ffs
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    A grenade thrown into a Jewish cemetery...what is even the point of doing that?
    None of this makes any sense


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    #46
    Harvey Weinstein
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    No one cares if it's a white person doing the killing. This thread is dead. Imagine it was a Muslim, it'd be up to 100 pages by now and going for ages.

    Not really, none of these threads are very busy anymore. Perhaps its fatigue as these events are quite common now.


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    #47
    weisses
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    Danzy wrote: »
    That's a cop out though.

    If you say so


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    #48
    Harvey Weinstein
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    He seems to have shot an elderly German lady who chastised him on the street. Looks like he was out to kill basically anyone he could after his initial assault on the Synagogue failed.


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    #49
    Eric Cartman
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    No one cares if it's a white person doing the killing. This thread is dead. Imagine it was a Muslim, it'd be up to 100 pages by now and going for ages.

    The left, twitter and the media absolutely do.

    The only reason threads are longer is when muslims do it you have the people saying its terrible and people from the left defending them and islam in general over and over.

    threads on white shooters only have condemnation.


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    Harvey Weinstein
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    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    A grenade thrown into a Jewish cemetery...what is even the point of doing that?
    None of this makes any sense

    I haven't seen it but apparently on his stream he was ranting about Jews.


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    #51
    weisses
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    The OP must be disgusted now that this attack turned out to be the work of a white right wing nutter


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    #52
    Eric Cartman
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    weisses wrote: »
    The OP must be disgusted now that this attack turned out to be the work of a white right wing nutter

    is there any evidence for that....


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    #53
    James Brown
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    blueshade wrote: »
    Now now, don't be telling porkies.

    What porkies? You disagree I take it? That's okay.
    Have you read any articles about any white mass murderers linked to their religion? Link if you have. Thanks.
    As soon as we hear the killer is Muslim the conversation moves to the religion. You've not noticed this ever?
    blueshade wrote: »
    Well, as yet there's no information on the identities of the terrorists and terrorists is what they are, whatever colour, ideology or cause they did this for. There's also the fact that many people have their knickers in a knot blaming Trump for Erdogan invading Syria today. I think there are far more Trump bashers than Muslim haters on Boards. I'm not a Trump fan and I don't hate Muslims.

    There's a difference between criticising a terrorist group and criticising an entire religion because a terrorist group is affiliated/uses it.

    Also..
    Donald Trump gives Turkey the green light to invade northern Syria
    https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2019/10/07/donald-trump-gives-turkey-the-green-light-to-invade-northern-syria


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    James Brown
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The left, twitter and the media absolutely do.

    The only reason threads are longer is when muslims do it you have the people saying its terrible and people from the left defending them and islam in general over and over.

    threads on white shooters only have condemnation.

    Show one example ever from any thread.


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    #55
    weisses
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    is there any evidence for that....

    according to German news outlets yes

    27 year old Stephan B ... filmed the killings

    https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/halle-hinweise-auf-rechtsextremes-motiv-taeter-soll-ein-27-jaehriger-deutscher-sein-a-1290772.html


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    #56
    Eric Cartman
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    weisses wrote: »
    according to German news outlets yes

    27 year old Stephan B ... filmed the killings

    https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/halle-hinweise-auf-rechtsextremes-motiv-taeter-soll-ein-27-jaehriger-deutscher-sein-a-1290772.html

    it just said thought to be right wing motives, it has no real evidence either, not saying they wont find it but at the moment they saw a white guy and assumed,


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    #57
    Still waters
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    weisses wrote: »
    The OP must be disgusted now that this attack turned out to be the work of a white right wing nutter

    There's nothing in the OP to indicate that, how did you come to that decision, I'm genuinely interested to learn how that level of retarded thinking comes about


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    FTA69
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/09/two-dead-german-shooting-outside-synagogue-halle-police-urge/amp/

    “In the footage streamed on Twitch found by the SITE intelligence group and International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation, the shooter is believed to be heard saying: "My name is Anon and I think the holocaust never happened...[indecipherable]... feminism is the cause of declining birth rates in the West which acts as a scapegoat for mass immigration, and the root of all these problems is the Jew."

    Looks like a white supremacist to me.


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    Eric Cartman
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Show one example ever from any thread.

    blaming the west for muslim atrocities -
    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    What about state sanctioned 'legal' Western terrorism? Those people leaving those regions are doing so for a reason. A government carpet bombing your home is no different than a small cabal of zealots bombing your local cafe, yet we look to an entire people for blame on one and wonder why others might be doing the same.
    There wasn't much of a 'muslim' problem until the west start bringing 'democracy' to the region, (Iran/Iraq/Syria etc.) and set up the apartheid state of Israel.

    More whataboutery about white people.
    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Only as it relates to a targeted attack on Muslims. I've seen numerous reports related to the attacks on Christians celebrating Easter or at Easter services. When the Jewish synagogue was attacked same thing.
    We don't read Christian man stabs partner or passerby, so why should it read Muslim man unless relevant to the story?
    There's many an instance were the Muslim attacker is evil and the white Christan guy had issues but was a great kid as we look at video games or something to explain it away.


    youre actually the no.1 poster for it, theres not a single thread in the last year about the bad things that happen when radical islamists go too far that you haven't gone into and said "but what about the christians, the white people etc..." or made some apologist comment for muslims.


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    James Brown
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    blaming the west for muslim atrocities -


    More whataboutery about white people.




    youre actually the no.1 poster for it, theres not a single thread in the last year about the bad things that happen when radical islamists go too far that you haven't gone into and said "but what about the christians, the white people etc..." or made some apologist comment for muslims.

    So you couldn't find anyone defending them? Figured. I've defended the religion in that I don't feel everyone associated with the religion is a potential mass murderer, yes. If the thread, as you said about white shooters, stuck to condemning the shooter, it'd be a bit more balanced no?
    You've posted twice on this very page regarding people assuming he's right wing or white supremacist because he's white. In your view are you defending him now?


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    #61
    Eric Cartman
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    So you couldn't find anyone defending them? Figured.
    You've posted twice on this very page regarding people assuming he's right wing or white supremacist because he's white. In your view are you defending him now?

    im not defending him at all, the guy is a nutjob. Im just wondering how people have information on his motives when his name only broke an hour ago.


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