Two people killed with submachine gun outside synagogue in Halle, Germany

Stop moaning ffs

Eric Cartman wrote: »

is there any evidence for that....

White right wing

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1181986085460688896?s=21

weisses

Still waters wrote: »

There's nothing in the OP to indicate that, how did you come to that decision, I'm genuinely interested to learn how that level of retarded thinking comes about

Its an educated guess

Eric Cartman

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

White right wing

and they have yet to elaborate on that. like when its a muslim its pretty easy to gather where the hate comes from, theres up front in public evidence of them being a muslim. Bar this guy having social media posts praising hitler or something, or was a well known outspoken right wing figure, I fail to see how theyll come to any concrete conclusions before police raid his house and give a statment.

for all we know with his rant on jews, he could be a muslim.

weisses

Eric Cartman wrote: »

im not defending him at all, the guy is a nutjob. Im just wondering how people have information on his motives when his name only broke an hour ago.

Because his motives became clear when during the killings he filmed and was shouting antisemitic slurs

so yes white supremacist nutjob

Before the shooting begins, he says in English: “My name is Anon and I think the holocaust never happened...feminism is the cause of declining birth rates in the West which acts as a scapegoat for mass immigration, and the root of all these problems is the Jew.”

The attacker was named by the German press last night as Stephan B, a 27-year-old German from the surrounding state of Saxony-Anhalt.
The arrested man, described as a "white German" was last night being treated in hospital for injuries sustained during his attempt to escape.

Small chance it turns out to be the flying spaghetti monster ...but I will stick with my previous guess

Eric Cartman

weisses wrote: »

Because his motives became clear when during the killings he filmed and was shouting antisemitic slurs

so yes white supremacist nutjob

anti-Semitic slurs makes me think muslim, jews are generally white afterall...

Still waters

weisses wrote: »

Its an educated guess

I doubt education had anything to do with your guess

Stop moaning ffs

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and they have yet to elaborate on that. like when its a muslim its pretty easy to gather where the hate comes from, theres up front in public evidence of them being a muslim. Bar this guy having social media posts praising hitler or something, or was a well known outspoken right wing figure, I fail to see how theyll come to any concrete conclusions before police raid his house and give a statment.

for all we know with his rant on jews, he could be a muslim.

That’s From the German interior minister.

Are you defending the white right wing aspect or doubting the words of the German interior minister?

Stop moaning ffs

Eric Cartman wrote: »

anti-Semitic slurs makes me think muslim, jews are generally white afterall...

Wow

weisses

Still waters wrote: »

I doubt education had anything to do with your guess

It kinda does

Eric Cartman

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

That’s From the German interior minister.

Are you defending the white right wing aspect or doubting the words of the German interior minister?

im doubting anyone could have properly investigated the guys motives at this point, if it was tomorrow and they said 'hey we found a room full of swastikas and google searches for stormfront' id have no issue with it. Just seems like the people who hate presumption are presuming...

weisses

Eric Cartman wrote: »

im doubting anyone could have properly investigated the guys motives at this point, if it was tomorrow and they said 'hey we found a room full of swastikas and google searches for stormfront' id have no issue with it. Just seems like the people who hate presumption are presuming...

I go with what is reported

Before the shooting begins, he says in English: “My name is Anon and I think the holocaust never happened...feminism is the cause of declining birth rates in the West which acts as a scapegoat for mass immigration, and the root of all these problems is the Jew.”

The attacker was named by the German press last night as Stephan B, a 27-year-old German from the surrounding state of Saxony-Anhalt.
The arrested man, described as a "white German" was last night being treated in hospital for injuries sustained during his attempt to escape.

Eric Cartman

weisses wrote: »

I go with what is reported

ok, this guy is a 4chan nutjob. god damnit that website breeds filth. This is all I wanted people, evidence and here it is.

Blueshoe

Eric Cartman wrote: »

ok, this guy is a 4chan nutjob. god damnit that website breeds filth. This is all I wanted people, evidence and here it is.

No it doesn't. 4chan has no moderation. It's ace.
There were crazy people before 4chan

Sonics2k

Eric Cartman wrote: »

anti-Semitic slurs makes me think muslim, jews are generally white afterall...

That is hands down, and I want you to really understand this, the stupidest thing anyone has ever posted on boards.ie.

That you have become so blinded by your political views that you can't accept that a white supremacist could be anti-semetic and right wing is truly an astonishing thing.

Eric Cartman

Sonics2k wrote: »

That is hands down, and I want you to really understand this, the stupidest thing anyone has ever posted on boards.ie.

That you have become so blinded by your political views that you can't accept that a white supremacist could be anti-semetic and right wing is truly an astonishing thing.

its a hell of a lot more common in modern europe for anti semitism to come from a muslim than a white supremacist , white supremacists are outnumbered by muslims massively and there are many labeled with the 'white supremacist' tag who are jewish or supporters of israel.

mcmoustache

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The left, twitter and the media absolutely do.

The only reason threads are longer is when muslims do it you have the people saying its terrible and people from the left defending them and islam in general over and over.

threads on white shooters only have condemnation.

Does that really happen that widely though? There's a borderline troll here who does that but I don't think that happens as much as you're saying, especially with how broadly you like to define "the left".

jmayo

rosser44 wrote: »

German media posting pics of the shooter, a white guy in tactical gear
...

Well he did attack a kebab shop first on his way to synagogue.
Almost his lucky day, all he needed for his straight flush was to run into a few black guys. :rolleyes:

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No one cares if it's a white person doing the killing. This thread is dead. Imagine it was a Muslim, it'd be up to 100 pages by now and going for ages.

Actually some of us do care.
BTW these guys are the real right, the real nazis.
The ones that want to slaughter anyone different to them.

And some of the so called nazis round here warned about the rise of these guys to fill a vacuum left by our so called political parties.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You'll find its actually the complete opposite.
If a white male, (usually Christian) carries out a mass killing it's because he was mentally ill, a bad egg, played video games or watched porn too much. Whereas if a Muslim does it it's all about the religion and how evil the religion is.

Ahh bullcr*p.
The amount of lone wolf islamist attacks often labelled as those of an unstable person.
And especially by some around here.

It is the ideology these people follow (both islamists and Nazi far right) that tells them they are superior and that others are lesser so that attacking them is of no consequence.
Also for some bloody reason both sides of this equation have those with death wishes.

blueshade

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its a hell of a lot more common in modern europe for anti semitism to come from a muslim than a white supremacist , white supremacists are outnumbered by muslims massively and there are many labeled with the 'white supremacist' tag who are jewish or supporters of israel.

The Jews in Europe haven't forgotten their history. Since the influx of Muslims to Europe began in recent years there have been massive numbers of Jews fleeing Europe. You don't hear much about it because the Jews aren't brown and don't belong to an ideology that can't be called out on it's oppression of women, hatred of LGBT people or pedophila without the person asking the question being accused of Islamophobia.

Funny how it's only with the growing global problems that Islamic and African migrants/asylum seekers coming to Europe that these Hate Speech laws have been introduced. Anyone might think that the powers that be want to silence dissension.

Suttree

...so have the usual lads decided to stop posting here because the murderer didn't turn out to be a Muslim?

blueshade

mcmoustache wrote: »

Does that really happen that widely though? There's a borderline troll here who does that but I don't think that happens as much as you're saying, especially with how broadly you like to define "the left".

It really is widespread. There are women imprisoned in Iran for refusing to wear their hijabs, yet western women, most notably left wing female politicians are tripping over themselves to put on a hijab as some sort of gesture of solidarity with Muslim women.

Take a look at any city large town in Ireland and you'll see a growing number of men dressed as if they're going to tend goats and Muslim women covered head to toe, that's not necessary, it's not part of their religion, women are only required to cover their hair when praying. It's making a statement of their fundamentalist commitment to Islam. People like that believe in throwing gay people to their death, yet the LGBT community are supporters of Muslims. We see vegans taking over meat markets and invading restaurants to complain about meat eating but they aren't targeting Halal butchers or Kebab shops.

Suttree

blueshade wrote: »

It really is widespread. There are women imprisoned in Iran for refusing to wear their hijabs, yet western women, most notably left wing female politicians are tripping over themselves to put on a hijab as some sort of gesture of solidarity with Muslim women.

Take a look at any city large town in Ireland and you'll see a growing number of men dressed as if they're going to tend goats and Muslim women covered head to toe, that's not necessary, it's not part of their religion, women are only required to cover their hair when praying. It's making a statement of their fundamentalist commitment to Islam. People like that believe in throwing gay people to their death, yet the LGBT community are supporters of Muslims. We see vegans taking over meat markets and invading restaurants to complain about meat eating but they aren't targeting Halal butchers or Kebab shops.

I've lived between Dublin and Cork, and I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen women covered head-to-toe in Islamic garb.

blueshade

Suttree wrote: »

I've lived between Dublin and Cork, and I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen women covered head-to-toe in Islamic garb.

You must be the exception to the rule. Take a wander around Limerick or most towns in Clare and you'll see much more. But I suspect that you are the sort of poster that would say that regardless of the number you saw.

Suttree

blueshade wrote: »

You must be the exception to the rule. Take a wander around Limerick or most towns in Clare and you'll see much more. But I suspect that you are the sort of poster that would say that regardless of the number you saw.

Suspect what you like - I wouldn't agree with any influx of extreme religious fundamentalism into Ireland - just unlike a lot of other people I'm not trying to make one up yo suit my agenda.

James Brown

jmayo wrote: »

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Ahh bullcr*p.
The amount of lone wolf islamist attacks often labelled as those of an unstable person.
And especially by some around here.

Thanks for proving my point. Was this another Christian attack?

jmayo wrote: »

It is the ideology these people follow (both islamists and Nazi far right) that tells them they are superior and that others are lesser so that attacking them is of no consequence.
Also for some bloody reason both sides of this equation have those with death wishes.

It's pretty simple. The west has crapped from a height on the Arabic region for generations. These areas are predominantly Muslim. The religion and dislike for the west is a commonality. Blaming the religion just doesn't pan out, otherwise we'd be seeing multiple attacks daily, (there's a lot of Muslims about you know. Bidding their time?). So throw in people with motives such as power and revenge or mental illness and you have ISIS who claim any Muslim who kills as one of their own when it's possible he was some deranged kid who saw in ISIS a path that suited his mania. Same for this white supremacist IMO. It's likely some organisation are claiming this chap is a hero for the cause.

James Brown

blueshade wrote: »

You must be the exception to the rule. Take a wander around Limerick or most towns in Clare and you'll see much more. But I suspect that you are the sort of poster that would say that regardless of the number you saw.

I think we learned after the arrival of the Catholics. It's unlikely we'll let another church take over and dictate policy.
There's a Mosque near me, a Muslim community and a smaller Jewish one funnily enough, for decades. No issues from either.

blueshade

Suttree wrote: »

Suspect what you like - I wouldn't agree with any influx of extreme religious fundamentalism into Ireland - just unlike a lot of other people I'm not trying to make one up yo suit my agenda.

We already do have an influx of religious fundamentalists. The Muslim Council of Ireland insists that there are over 100 radical extremists here but the government insists there's around 30, whose statistics are more accurate do you think? At one point RTE and the Media used Clonskeagh mosque for comment on Muslim issues in Ireland but once Ali Selim's mask slipped and he said he supported FGM they had to stop using them. We were told that all of the refugees coming from Syria would be vetted before they got here and then put into centres for 12 weeks to orient them with Ireland's cultures and norms, that didn't happen though.

What is happening with all the sub Saharan African lads that we're taking off boats in the Med that the rest of Europe won't take. They aren't vetted, they're part of a seperate scheme that gives them automatic asylum and skips them ahead of the queue into accommodation in whatever country takes them in. The same entitlements as an EU citizen whose worked all their lives. Why when we have so many people waiting on housing and hospital lists did the government sign us up to this list of only 5 other countries who agreed to take some of these lads off all the boats? We know nothing about them or their backgrounds only that they come from countries that don't share our values.

gibgodsman

Why does everyone need to constantly bring up the "We should be stopping these people coming here, we have no free houses for our own or hospitals"

Sorry but I can't remember a single terrorist attack from any Eastern Europeans in Ireland, can you? The EU support us quite a lot for doing our part, who do you think is paying for the roads being built, the trade deals, why do you think all of the big tech companies are over here?

The EU does ALOT for us, I think housing a few of their immigrants is the least we can do

Suttree

blueshade wrote: »

What is happening with all the sub Saharan African lads that we're taking off boats in the Med that the rest of Europe won't take. They aren't vetted, they're part of a seperate scheme that gives them automatic asylum and skips them ahead of the queue into accommodation in whatever country takes them in. The same entitlements as an EU citizen whose worked all their lives. Why when we have so many people waiting on housing and hospital lists did the government sign us up to this list of only 5 other countries who agreed to take some of these lads off all the boats? We know nothing about them or their backgrounds only that they come from countries that don't share our values.

So you've veered from having an issue with immigration due to it importing religious extremism to it being an issue due to asylum seekers getting access to state services.

Watch your own mask there, I'd say.

jmayo

Matt Barrett wrote: »

jmayo wrote: »

The amount of lone wolf islamist attacks often labelled as those of an unstable person.
And especially by some around here.

It is the ideology these people follow (both islamists and Nazi far right) that tells them they are superior and that others are lesser so that attacking them is of no consequence.
Also for some bloody reason both sides of this equation have those with death wishes.

Thanks for proving my point. Was this another Christian attack?

Ehh you do know what the definition of an islamist is ???

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's pretty simple. The west has crapped from a height on the Arabic region for generations. These areas are predominantly Muslim. The religion and dislike for the west is a commonality. Blaming the religion just doesn't pan out, otherwise we'd be seeing multiple attacks daily, (there's a lot of Muslims about you know. Bidding their time?).

Ahh FFS the usual excuse about the Middle East.

What have all those islamist attacks have in common?

Is it class ?

Is it race as the attackers are often, black, white (yes indeedy), brown, yellow,whatever ?

Is it nationality as the attackers are French, British, Tunisian, Nigerian, Syrian, Iraqi, Afghani, American, Pakistani, Indonesian and yes even Irish ?

Is it place of birth, see above .... ?

Is it educational level as we have even seen doctors and architects involved in attacks ?


Nah only common denominator is religious background be it from birth or adopted.

Yet it has nothing to do with that religion.


Go Figure that conundrum out. :rolleyes:

James Brown

jmayo wrote: »

Ehh you do know what the definition of an islamist is ???




Ahh FFS the usual excuse about the Middle East.

What have all those islamist attacks have in common?

Is it class ?

Is it race as the attackers are often, black, white (yes indeedy), brown, yellow,whatever ?

Is it nationality as the attackers are French, British, Tunisian, Nigerian, Syrian, Iraqi, Afghani, American, Pakistani, Indonesian and yes even Irish ?

Is it place of birth, see above .... ?

Is it educational level as we have even seen doctors and architects involved in attacks ?


Nah only common denominator is religious background be it from birth or adopted.

Yet it has nothing to do with that religion.


Go Figure that conundrum out. :rolleyes:

By 'the usual' do you mean an opinion you've heard before and don't like?
Look you blame the religion. We have people with the same religion in great numbers all over the world yet everyone one these attacks can be traced to ISIS or some one who would like to be in ISIS. It's akin to blaming Catholic ideology for the IRA attacks back in the day.