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Two people killed with submachine gun outside synagogue in Halle, Germany

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    #92
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    By 'the usual' do you mean an opinion you've heard before and don't like?

    It is a simplistic view.
    Why are Boko haram attacking fellow Nigerians ?
    Is it because they were involved in bombing the Middle East, backing Israel ???
    Is it fook.
    It is to do with the mindset that their belief system is superior and that they have not alone a god given but a duty to subjugate others.
    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Look you blame the religion. We have people with the same religion in great numbers all over the world yet everyone one these attacks can be traced to ISIS or some one who would like to be in ISIS. It's akin to blaming Catholic ideology for the IRA attacks back in the day.

    We had muslim extremists (islamists) long before ISIS was ever heard of or did you not notice all those attacks down through the years.

    And once again you try the usual shyte of equating the IRA/PIRA with islamist religious based terrorists.
    The IRA/PIRA goals were removal of British rule and to some extent the creation of a socialist state.
    Hell there have been in protestants and non catholics in IRA ranks.

    Now try and find a non muslim in islamist terrorist ranks.

    Any more simplistic arguments you want to throw out there.
    I expect the Westboro baptists church to make an appearance in your next argument. :rolleyes:

    I am not allowed discuss …



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    #93
    Cordell
    Registered Users Posts: 6,001 ✭✭✭Cordell


    So this time it was a far righter
    Last time it was a muslim
    But we never look at them from the same angle.

    So there's plenty of ideologies that were proven to breed terrorism, far right and far left and extreme nationalism and so on, but not islam, no, not that, those are just accidents, it can't be the ideology.


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    #94
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Cordell wrote: »
    So this time it was a far righter
    Last time it was a muslim
    But we never look at them from the same angle.

    So there's plenty of ideologies that were proven to breed terrorism, far right and far left and extreme nationalism and so on, but not islam, no, not that, those are just accidents, it can't be the ideology.

    Correct. History is rife with people using religion to use people. From the crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Jonestown massacre, to Bush proclaiming God chose him, history is littered with folk using religion for their own ends.


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    #95
    worded
    Registered Users Posts: 4,580 ✭✭✭worded


    alchemist33 wrote: »
    Reports say it was a man

    The suspect was hatless, I repeat hatless


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    #96
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    jmayo wrote: »
    It is a simplistic view.
    Why are Boko haram attacking fellow Nigerians ?
    Is it because they were involved in bombing the Middle East, backing Israel ???
    Is it fook.
    It is to do with the mindset that their belief system is superior and that they have not alone a god given but a duty to subjugate others.



    We had muslim extremists (islamists) long before ISIS was ever heard of or did you not notice all those attacks down through the years.

    And once again you try the usual shyte of equating the IRA/PIRA with islamist religious based terrorists.
    The IRA/PIRA goals were removal of British rule and to some extent the creation of a socialist state.
    Hell there have been in protestants and non catholics in IRA ranks.

    Now try and find a non muslim in islamist terrorist ranks.

    Any more simplistic arguments you want to throw out there.
    I expect the Westboro baptists church to make an appearance in your next argument. :rolleyes:

    Why does ISIS attack other Muslims? I mean if they are all singing from the same hymn sheet?

    Of course we did. Key word is 'extremists'.

    There were plenty like yourself blaming all Irish and specifically all Irish Catholics for the acts of the IRA. That's were the comparison begins and ends.

    That's partially my point. Try find a Presbyterian in the region either.

    You saying the Westboro mob don't represent all Christians? Because that would be my point.

    Anyway, my fault for turning this white supremacist murderers thread into a Muslim bashing thread. Apologies.


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    #97
    blueshade
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 428 ✭✭blueshade


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Correct. History is rife with people using religion to use people. From the crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Jonestown massacre, to Bush proclaiming God chose him, history is littered with folk using religion for their own ends.

    The Crusades were a response to Muslim terrorism. Listen, a guy whose only ''miracle'' is his claim to have magically flown to Mecca. A warmongering, slave trading, pedophilic rapist who told his followers/believers that they had to murder everyone who didn't believe in his/their god. They slaughtered and enslaved Jews because they wouldn't accept Muhammad as a prophet.

    The difference between Islam and the other ideologies that you've listed are that that people condemn what the others did and Christianity evolved, Islam has not only stayed the same in the Middle East but it has been getting more extreme in Europe as the numbers have grown.


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    #98
    blueshade
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 428 ✭✭blueshade


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Why does ISIS attack other Muslims? I mean if they are all singing from the same hymn sheet?

    Of course we did. Key word is 'extremists'.

    There were plenty like yourself blaming all Irish and specifically all Irish Catholics for the acts of the IRA. That's were the comparison begins and ends.

    That's partially my point. Try find a Presbyterian in the region either.

    You saying the Westboro mob don't represent all Christians? Because that would be my point.

    Anyway, my fault for turning this white supremacist murderers thread into a Muslim bashing thread. Apologies.

    You say ''extremist'' the reality is that they are fundamentalists. They want to live Islam as it is in the Koran. They literally want an eye for an eye. They want to be able to do in Europe what they do in Africa and the Middle East, beating women in public floggings for being caught alone with a man. Imprisoning women for not being modest enough. Look at Saudi Arabia, only recently women have been allowed to drive, with the permission of their male guardian. Google and Apple have an app that allows male guardians to set a tracking device on females that alerts them if the women enter an area that they aren't allowed to be in or stay out longer than the number of hours they're permitted or go to an airport.


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    #99
    SnakePlissken
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Why does ISIS attack other Muslims? I mean if they are all singing from the same hymn sheet?

    That you believe all of the varied sects of Islam "Sing from the same hymn sheet", truly shines a most glaring light on your absolute ignorance on the topic at hand.


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    #100
    Sabre0001
    Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    Wow, Muslims don't even have to be responsible for attacks now to be the focus of discussion.

    🤪



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    #101
    SnakePlissken
    Registered Users Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    Sabre0001 wrote: »
    Wow, Muslims don't even have to be responsible for attacks now to be the focus of discussion.

    It's pathethic isn't it, the far left always have to post their glee when an attack is carried out by a non-muslim instead of just discussing the topic at hand, just look at the thread on the attack in Paris last week, full of the usual suspects commenting on how the thread will fall from the front page as a Muslim wasn't to blame... that was until it was in fact proven to be an Islamic influenced attack and they quickly abandoned the thread like rats from a sinking ship.


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    #102
    1874
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    gibgodsman wrote: »
    Why does everyone need to constantly bring up the "We should be stopping these people coming here, we have no free houses for our own or hospitals"

    Sorry but I can't remember a single terrorist attack from any Eastern Europeans in Ireland, can you? The EU support us quite a lot for doing our part, who do you think is paying for the roads being built, the trade deals, why do you think all of the big tech companies are over here?

    The EU does ALOT for us, I think housing a few of their immigrants is the least we can do


    What? this doesnt make sense? We are in the EU? by what logic should that mean we take in people who are of little or no benefit to our society and may actually be of harm (I dont mean if theyre Muslims they might be setting off bombs nonsense), I mean what purpose are they serving here only to better themselves individually? Whatever is being spent on supporting those that made it, well when do you stop? what number is the cutoff? do you just bring everyone? wouldnt the money be better spent on improving where they came from? that would probably be more obviously futile and recognised quite quickly, whereas bring whatever number here seems to alleviate the guilt some people have, but what about the millions left behind???
    The big companies arent here for uneducated immigrants (no offense to them for that, but are they just going to be slotted into tech jobs here? no, they arent). You advocate selling ourselves out and accepting whatever we are told to do?
    I suggest the EU should be looking to fix problems in the middle east and africa, maybe alongside the UN, should be promoting change there.


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    #103
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blueshade wrote: »
    You say ''extremist'' the reality is that they are fundamentalists. They want to live Islam as it is in the Koran. They literally want an eye for an eye. They want to be able to do in Europe what they do in Africa and the Middle East, beating women in public floggings for being caught alone with a man. Imprisoning women for not being modest enough. Look at Saudi Arabia, only recently women have been allowed to drive, with the permission of their male guardian. Google and Apple have an app that allows male guardians to set a tracking device on females that alerts them if the women enter an area that they aren't allowed to be in or stay out longer than the number of hours they're permitted or go to an airport.

    You mean when I paraphrase someone else using 'extremist'? An extremist would be the one willing to kill a stranger IMO.
    All religions can get f***ed if they try impose their will, as far as I'm concerned.
    SnakePlissken wrote: »
    That you believe all of the varied sects of Islam "Sing from the same hymn sheet", truly shines a most glaring light on your absolute ignorance on the topic at hand.

    Obviously not. Does this help or hinder my opinion that you can't blame the religion as a whole for ISIS attacks?
    Sabre0001 wrote: »
    Wow, Muslims don't even have to be responsible for attacks now to be the focus of discussion.

    Totally my fault. I thought we could discuss the similarities but haters gonna hate...

    By the way did you hear about the white supremacist skin head who killed with a sub-machine gun? Religion of peace me hole...


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    #104
    SexBobomb
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭SexBobomb


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Why does ISIS attack other Muslims? I mean if they are all singing from the same hymn sheet?

    Wahabi and Sunni Muslims do not view Shi’a as muslims and so they are fair game.


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    #105
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Wahabi and Sunni Muslims do not view Shi’a as muslims and so they are fair game.

    So......to blame all Muslims for a terrorist groups actions would be.....?


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    #106
    SexBobomb
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭SexBobomb


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    So......to blame all Muslims for a terrorist groups actions would be.....?

    To ignore islamic terrorism and pretend its not an issue is....??


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    #107
    Cordell
    Registered Users Posts: 6,001 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    So......to blame all Muslims for a terrorist groups actions would be.....?

    Just as blaming all non violent white supremacists for the actions of a few.


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    #108
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    To ignore islamic terrorism and pretend its not an issue is....??

    It's very much an issue. No off you go and treat any white people with skin heads like they are white supremacists.


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    #109
    SexBobomb
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭SexBobomb


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    It's very much an issue. No off you go and treat any white people with skin heads like they are white supremacists.

    Oh silly you, your confused, I don't think every muslim is a terrorist, I know you'd love that to be true but its simply not.


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    #110
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,623 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    AFAIK this attack is nothing to do with Muslims

    If anyone has evidence to the contrary please PM me, otherwise drop that angle of discussion


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    #111
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Looks like it was a far right type individual according to the news.
    No Muslim link.


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