Rental Scam

Mic 1972

taytobreath wrote: »

Hi Folks

I advertised a property to rent via daft. Since last night I have been exchanging emails with this person, but I very highly suspect a scam.
Can I ask your opinions on it.

Thank you in advance.

Hi,

My name is xxxx xxxxx, I'm 30 years old female from München, Germany. I don't smoke, I drink wine but occasionally. I'm a tidy and quiet person. My colleague and I will establish a film production company in Ireland and which is the reason I need the room.

I will be coming to Ireland to do some research on how to establish the company before my colleague arrives.

Please get back to me with the rent duration, price and how many people will share the property?

Looking forward to read from you

That was the first email, the next email is

Thanks for providing more information about the place, I've also seen more information on the website and I'm satisfied.

I'm hoping to rent it for 12 or 24 months from 26/10/2019 and I'm willing to pay from the availability date to secure the room, also please be informed that payment will be made by bank draft payable in Ireland.

Please get back to me with the information as requested below so that I can forward it to my colleague for payment approval.

Name: Address: City: Eircode: Tel:

What are the documents you require to complete the rent?

Hoping to read from you soon.

Kind regards,

Hey mate, this is a scam
I went through this a few month ago, same email, same German mysterious person - in my case her name was Darlene
If you say yes this is what is gong to happen

1. bank draft will be posted over to your home address
2. you will deposit the bank draft on your bank account and money will be added
3. you will be advised by your bank that it takes about 5 days for the check to be clear, however the money will show on your account already
4. the German will then ask you if she can have a portion of the money sent back to her because she accidentally sent you too much
5. you agree to do a bank transfer for a few thousands euro
6. After 5 days the check is bounced back and you lose the money

I realized this was a scam when i got to point 4 but I'm sure a lot of people have lost money to this scam otherwise they wouldn't keep going, you need to report this to the Garda immediately

TheBoyConor

the German will then ask you if she can have a portion of the money sent back to her because she accidentally sent you too much

All the rest of it aside, even this is just ridiculous. How on earth do you "accidentally" send someone €1000 too much?. Even this is just unbelievable in the extreme. Totally implausible.

worded

TheBoyConor wrote: »

All the rest of it aside, even this is just ridiculous. How on earth do you "accidentally" send someone €1000 too much?. Even this is just unbelievable in the extreme. Totally implausible.

This scam is used over and over again .... so it works for a % of people.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

worded wrote: »

This scam is used over and over again .... so it works for a % of people.

Yes it has to be worth their while and people are still falling for it. I had three different ones contact me when I was selling a car, that they were buying for their 'partner/friend/relative'.

Luckily I knew it was a scam right off, the story had variations (I'm abroad, I'm working on an oil rig, I'm in hospital etc) but the scam is more or less the same and results in them needing to pay for something by bank draft without ever meeting you or viewing your car/property.

worded

Domestic bank checks typically take up to three business days to clear, while international bank drafts often take between four and six weeks

So once you lodge it the excuses and pleading and threats start

I heard one on the radio where someone pre booked for 6 mth violin lessons from abroad, but over paid.
The daughter had to cancel her planned visit to Ireland following a fall in Vienna ....

Person was told to keep the booking and return the few K over Payment

Bank had cleared the funds after a few days to the violin teacher so she happily returned the over payment. The person at bank told her verbally it was cleared funds (bank later denied this was a misunderstanding)

4 or 5 weeks later the bank realised it was a forged draft and took the money out of her account

Violin teacher was down a few K

the_syco

taytobreath wrote: »

My name is xxxx xxxxx, I'm 30 years old female from München, Germany
...
My colleague and I
...
I'm hoping to rent it for 12 or 24 months from 26/10/2019 and I'm willing to pay from the availability date to secure the room, also please be informed that payment will be made by bank draft payable in Ireland.

It's either a scam or brothel.

paulieeye

Deleted User wrote: »

Part of my job is analyzing possible scam and spam emails. I'm not seeing anything obvious in the language.

This is so obviously a scam. This is a classic. If your saying this is your job, I find it hard to believe that you wouldnt spot this.

The only thing that makes sense is that you are the culprit!! Nice try denartha..

riclad

If you have an apartment for rent in an urban area, or city ,you will have dozen,s of prospective tenants ,
So why take on a tenant who is from another country and can only pay
by a bank draft .
If theres, only a small risk of getting scammed why risk it .
unless she can send you the draft 6 weeks before she moves, in .
So it is cleared and in your account before she moves in .
scammers will send an email to a 1000 people ,if 1 per cent of users fall for it they are making easy money.
from what i hear on the radio ,escorts seem to all operate from apartments ,most of which are rented from landlords .
They landlord may not know the tenant is a escort.
She is not sure about it, she is thinking about setting up a company ,it sounds suspicious.

lunamoon

Deleted User wrote: »

Part of my job is analyzing possible scam and spam emails. I'm not seeing anything obvious in the language. I'd be happy to analyze the email headers for you if you like?

You might want to think of a career change.

OP this is very obviously a scam. I had something similar myself. If you've got the time and are bored play along, if not concentrate on getting real tenants.

Sharp MZ700

the_syco wrote: »

It's either a scam or brothel.

My first thoughts too.

worded

As I said earlier Bank drafts are as good as cash (If not stolen or forged)

The only Draft I will accept is one where I see it written in front of me by a bank teller.

An example would be selling a car and you req that the purchaser gets one from their bank with you standing beside them and in front of the bank teller.

That also stops a lot of car scammers, if buying or selling a car, do the paper work and final deal in a bank.
Takes the danger of walking around with a wad of cash as well.

Thanks

IITYWYBMAD

worded wrote: »

As I said earlier Bank drafts are as good as cash (If not stolen or forged)

The only Draft I will accept is one where I see it written in front of me by a bank teller.

An example would be selling a car and you req that the purchaser gets one from their bank with you standing beside them and in front of the bank teller.

That also stops a lot of car scammers, if buying or selling a car, do the paper work and final deal in a bank.
Takes the danger of walking around with a wad of cash as well.

Thanks

What year is this? Standing beside somebody in a Bank where they get a teller to fill out a draft? Seriously? What's wrong with standing beside them as the teller does an EFT to your account? Or they do it themselves?

worded

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

What year is this? Standing beside somebody in a Bank where they get a teller to fill out a draft? Seriously? What's wrong with standing beside them as the teller does an EFT to your account? Or they do it themselves?

This thread is about Drafts so I was staying with that.
ETF while beside teller OK.

ETF by themselves? Its not instant, where as a draft you saw a teller write is good as cash and you can get the signed log book etc there and then and all car business concluded ...

The idea of doing car payment deals in a bank though is a good one (Im not a car dealer)
Scammers are usually camera shy ;-)

punisher5112

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

What year is this? Standing beside somebody in a Bank where they get a teller to fill out a draft? Seriously? What's wrong with standing beside them as the teller does an EFT to your account? Or they do it themselves?

I've done this and it's the best way..,..

Plenty of ways to scam other ways.

IITYWYBMAD

worded wrote: »

This thread is about Drafts so I was staying with that.
ETF while beside teller OK.

ETF by themselves? Its not instant, where as a draft you saw a teller write is good as cash and you can get the signed log book etc there and then and all car business concluded ...

The idea of doing car payment deals in a bank though is a good one (Im not a car dealer)
Scammers are usually camera shy ;-)

EFT, 2 - 3 days max. Would not be bothered going to a bank with anybody. Deposit/Money for a car or a rental, just doesn't make sense to be standing beside somebody in a bank. Cash deposit, send the rest by EFT. If it doesn't arrive in 3 days, deal off.

Tiddlypeeps

1874 wrote: »

I dont want to to tempt fate myself with anything at all, but why would anyone send money back to anyone unless whatever was sent had cleared?? even then I think Idhold onto it for their own stupidity in case it turned out to be a scam or fraud of some kind where you end up laundering money for them, maybe Im paranoid and cynical.

A lot of people believe that once you see the money in your account everything has been cleared but this is obviously not the case and scammers take advantage of this ignorance.

worded

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

EFT, 2 - 3 days max. Would not be bothered going to a bank with anybody. Deposit/Money for a car or a rental, just doesn't make sense to be standing beside somebody in a bank. Cash deposit, send the rest by EFT. If it doesn't arrive in 3 days, deal off.

But in the case of a car they have your log book signed over to them....

IITYWYBMAD > respect your way of doing things, pls respect mine.

Dont want to argue with you anymore

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

punisher5112 wrote: »

Advise them Airbnb may suit better....

Airbnb for 2 years? Fantastic advice :rolleyes:

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Anyone who gives a "story" about why they are renting is more than likely a scam.

Absolutely incorrect. It's exactly how you rent in Germany.

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

100% scam, writing in the email is all over the place with confidence content.

How can you be certain?

All the scam experts on here. Just because they cannot think outside the box.

It may be a scam, or it may not be. Insist on a bank transfer if you are interested in taking her on. I wouldn't go to the trouble of it myself.

punisher5112

Uriel Orange Perfumery wrote: »

Airbnb for 2 years? Fantastic advice :rolleyes:



Absolutely incorrect. It's exactly how you rent in Germany.



How can you be certain?

All the scam experts on here. Just because they cannot think outside the box.

It may be a scam, or it may not be. Insist on a bank transfer if you are interested in taking her on. I wouldn't go to the trouble of it myself.

Eh it was a joke.... It's a scam.

Are you actually serious.....

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

punisher5112 wrote: »

Eh it was a joke.... It's a scam.

Are you actually serious.....

How can you say for certain? A broken clock is right twice a day :rolleyes:

paulieeye

Uriel Orange Perfumery wrote: »

Airbnb for 2 years? Fantastic advice :rolleyes:



Absolutely incorrect. It's exactly how you rent in Germany.



How can you be certain?

All the scam experts on here. Just because they cannot think outside the box.

It may be a scam, or it may not be. Insist on a bank transfer if you are interested in taking her on. I wouldn't go to the trouble of it myself.

For those asking why would they try such an obvious scam...this is why

punisher5112

Uriel Orange Perfumery wrote: »

How can you say for certain? A broken clock is right twice a day :rolleyes:

It's definitely a scam...

Nobody tells a LL they drink occasionally....

The coming here to set up a film with no actual job or proof of income, sure what could go wrong....

Any LL that takes on someone such as this deserve to be shafted.

antix80

I've nothing to add other than to say that fake bank drafts and scammers go hand-in-hand. Avoid.

Oh and to whoever said drafts take 5 days to clear.. That's the kind of ignorance scammers depend on.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

punisher5112 wrote: »

It's definitely a scam...

Prove it.

Nobody tells a LL they drink occasionally....

If you cared to actually read my post, I stated that it is in fact something that is not unusual to say to a LL here in Munich, Bavaria, Germany.

The coming here to set up a film with no actual job or proof of income, sure what could go wrong....

Strawman. Nowhere in the thread does it state the above. The woman offered any documents required.

Any LL that takes on someone such as this deserve to be shafted.

Idiotic statement. Do you have any idea how international Dublin and Cork is? Do you have any idea how somebody, from Munich say, applies to get a room/flat in Ireland?

It has yet to be determined if this is a scam or not.

punisher5112

Uriel Orange Perfumery wrote: »

Prove it.



If you cared to actually read my post, I stated that it is in fact something that is not unusual to say to a LL here in Munich, Bavaria, Germany.

We aren't in Munich, Bavaria, Germandy.



Strawman. Nowhere in the thread does it state the above. The woman offered any documents required.
Easy done for any scam artist.


Idiotic statement. Do you have any idea how international Dublin and Cork is? Do you have any idea how somebody, from Munich say, applies to get a room/flat in Ireland?
Through an estate agent usually.

It has yet to be determined if this is a scam or not.

Nice try K.Andrea.....

paulieeye

punisher5112 wrote: »

Nice try K.Andrea.....

Kudos to him/her. To track down this thread to get the con pushed through is admirable!

jhegarty

Anyone who can't spot this as a scam shouldn't be using the internet without adult supervision.

riclad

If someone emails me from germany ,i would ask for a large deposit,
i would expect payment before she moves in,
she could pay in cash ,if she wants .
it could be genuine .You would need to ask for more info from her.
I would not take a bank draft that takes 6 week,s to clear unless she
gives it to me 6 weeks, before she moves in.
I don,t think western union money transfer takes 6 weeks to clear.

steamsey

I'd ignore those emails and move on. High risk of being a scam.

If you did decide to proceed with this person, or just wanted to know for knowing's sake - ask for a number to call and try to have a chat with them. I bet you the response will be something something can't take a call at the moment (travelling, or lost my phone).

taytobreath

Hi

I'm the original poster. I told the scammer last Friday by email I will not accept bank drafts and I haven't heard back from then since.

The room has also been rented and he moved in today.

These scams can catch out some people, I know that it would definitely catch out my mother.

Thank you everyone for your replies, information and help.