Ireland v Samoa

tototoe

Blueshoe wrote: »

His defence is suspect.

But...but... His dancing feet... ;-)

Faugheen

shootermacg wrote: »

reg114 wrote: »

Larmour simply is not international standard

Not saying that at all, but today he's channeling Rob Kearney at times.

How dare he channel the best full-back and one of the most decorated players we’ve ever had.

Some people love a bitch and a moan. It’s like what he did for Sexton’s first try has been completely forgotten about.

Naggdefy

Faugheen wrote: »

And you used one instance to prove yours.

Why are you allowed to use one instance to make a point but you have a go at me for doing it?

He’s been our best back-row by an absolute stretch all year. You don’t get to that by being too light.

And he was well able for Billy Vunipola in the warm-up game when nobody else was.

I didn't use one instance. I feel he's a bit light. Compare his weight with most 7s in the tournament. I also said he has many attributes, quick around the pitch, workrate, handling. He's not a strong gain line ball carrier. As strong as any back row in tournament, no way.

Larbre34

yerrahbah wrote: »

Henshaw looks understandably rusty

Well he may cop on to life cos he can't be taken off now.

ScrubsfanChris

eigrod wrote: »

No need to force anything now. Just play the game in their half - keep them pinned in there.

Play the classic ROG game, pin them into the corners and compete at the lineout.

razorblunt

Best is useless at getting in the refs ear.

POC needs to be drafted in as a consultant .

Faugheen

Blueshoe wrote: »

Clegg wrote: »

He's been one of our best players this world cup. If he's not test standard then we're in massive trouble.

His defence is suspect.

Myth and lazy as **** argument. He’s been excellent defensively.

c.p.w.g.w

GreeBo wrote: »

Big problem now will be tiredness for nz game ( assuming we hang on here)

Won't be able to empty the bench and 50 min uess with a man down against big Samoans is going to be very draining.

Expect to get wallopped next week.

Maybe we should fly over Dr Fuentes...might able to "help" with our recovery

votecounts

Keep the head, make a few changes to avoid injuries now that we have the BP.
C'mon Ireland

davedanon

reg114 wrote: »

Larmour simply is not international standard

I didn't notice any poor passing, but he's been excellent with ball in hand.

ednwireland

state of the pitch after the scrum

GreeBo

They are all going to be bollixed for next week.

razorblunt

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Play the classic ROG game, pin them into the corners and compete at the lineout.

Time for Munster’s own Joey!


I missed the Samoan yellow making a brew. Very hard, Lam was almost a second low as he could go without entering chop territory.

Ishmael

Good half IMO.

Yellow card / red card calls were correct. No question there.

Sexton dominating the game which is good to see.

Some dodgy looking passes being thrown but solid enough looking performance. Ireland doing well to avoid getting smashed to bits by Samoan defense so far.

Christy42

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

We need to keep him on, we crumble when we take him off

And? We need to concede 29 points without reply to be knocked out at this point by my calculations and no amount of scoring will get us top of the group.

ionadnapokot

I detest all the talk on the tv, radio and papers about yellow and reds.
It’s an easy out from doing actual rugby analysis.

Clegg

This is easily our best performance since the Scotland game. Samoa aren't up to much, but we've minced them up front. The red card takes the shine off that first half a bit, but it's been a decent performance from us.

We seem a bit more willing to look for soft shoulders and mismatches out wide. If we can play that way if the QF, I'd we qualify, Ringrose would thrive in those situations.

Faugheen

Naggdefy wrote: »

Faugheen wrote: »

And you used one instance to prove yours.

Why are you allowed to use one instance to make a point but you have a go at me for doing it?

He’s been our best back-row by an absolute stretch all year. You don’t get to that by being too light.

And he was well able for Billy Vunipola in the warm-up game when nobody else was.

I didn't use one instance. I feel he's a bit light. Compare his weight with most 7s in the tournament. I also said he has many attributes, quick around the pitch, workrate, handling. He's not a strong gain line ball carrier. As strong as any back row in tournament, no way.

You said that after he was dumped and used his size to back up your argument.

I used a big example of his strength to show he’s nowhere near too light. He’s as strong as any other back row and I stand by that.

And he is a strong gainline carrier. Again, another myth that he’s not a strong carrier. If you compare carriers to Vunipola then you’re not going to find many, if any. Put you can find many who can hit him head on and stop him and VDF does that, because he’s strong as an ox regardless of his size.

razorblunt

The breaking ball caught Aki, far too passive, he should have claimed that. After he missed he was chasing himself.

ionadnapokot

12 Farrell 13 Ringrose for QF
Henshaw not up too speed yet

mfceiling

razorblunt wrote: »

Best is useless at getting in the refs ear.

POC needs to be drafted in as a consultant .

One of Best's greatest attributes is keeping on the right side of the ref. Been proven in many games for Ulster and Ireland.

Snow Garden

ionadnapokot wrote: »

12 Farrell 13 Ringrose for QF
Henshaw not up too speed yet

Agreed!

Synode

reg114 wrote: »

Larmour simply is not international standard

What game are you watching. Larmour has been excellent

Naggdefy

Faugheen wrote: »

You said that after he was dumped and used his size to back up your argument.

I used a big example of his strength to show he’s nowhere near too light. He’s as strong as any other back row and I stand by that.

And he is a strong gainline carrier. Again, another myth that he’s not a strong carrier. If you compare carriers to Vunipola then you’re not going to find many, if any. Put you can find many who can hit him head on and stop him and VDF does that, because he’s strong as an ox regardless of his size.

We may agree to disagree. He can't carry like Leavy, O'Brien, David Wallace a decade ago. 11kg lighter than Pocock, same height. He hasn't that power. Look at him in the warm up. Light upper body and legs.

As I said, many other attributes but no use saying he's something he's not. Having a very good game.

thebaz

ionadnapokot wrote: »

12 Farrell 13 Ringrose for QF
Henshaw not up too speed yet

Henshaw has been poor today - but I'd still play him everyday ahead of Farrel , who has not been great either last time

ionadnapokot

Clegg wrote: »

This is easily our best performance since the Scotland game. Samoa aren't up to much, but we've minced them up front. The red card takes the shine off that first half a bit, but it's been a decent performance from us.

We seem a bit more willing to look for soft shoulders and mismatches out wide. If we can play that way if the QF, I'd we qualify, Ringrose would thrive in those situations.

“Mitigation”
Samoa look like they have been on the tear for the week

jammiedodgers

What are RTE analysis saying about red card?

Navanboyo

Dancing feet Laramour bringing something different to our game but cold hands Henshaw awful

razorblunt

ionadnapokot wrote: »

I detest all the talk on the tv, radio and papers about yellow and reds.
It’s an easy out from doing actual rugby analysis.

It fills air time and the “game is gone” talking heads are being kept in the lifestyle they’ve become accustomed too.

Their needs to be more chat on Lams tackle . Incredibly harsh. Aki is less debatable.

Cosmo Kramer

Can't believe we kept Henshaw on for the last month if that's where he's at, caused pretty much all of our problems in that half. Aki hadn't been brilliant this world cup but it's an absolute disaster if we have to start Henshaw on the quarters in this form. At least Chris Farrell is out there.

The red was the correct decision as the laws are set out at present, that doesn't mean the laws themselves are correct. They need be realistic about how long players have to react to fluid situations and split second moments, it's easy for us looking at slow motion replays but rugby isn't played in slow motion.

Devestated for him on a personal level that that's probably his world cup over, that incident shouldn't be a three game ban but that's what he'll get.

Clareman wrote: »

The last 3 Irish players sent off in test matches were all born outside of Ireland, I think

Xenophobic much?

thebaz

jammiedodgers wrote: »

What are RTE analysis saying about red card?

saying it was a red, which it was

alchemist33

Genuine question - how was Aki supposed.to tackle there? Get lower down than the ball carrier?

Local_Chap

Murof wrote: »

That blonde in the Irish jersey though.

Anyone manage to get a picture?

Snow Garden

thebaz wrote: »

Henshaw has been poor today - but I'd still play him everyday ahead of Farrel , who has not been great either last time

Farrell was superb against Scotland. Maybe Ireland's best player in that game and he came on as a sub for Aki.

Sanjuro

"If we get the bonus point" says Tommy Bowe just before the second half kick off.

ednwireland

alchemist33 wrote: »

Genuine question - how was Aki supposed.to tackle there? Get lower down than the ball carrier?

tackle below the shoulders the guy fell after the tackle

daheff

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

No complaints with the red but curious what the call would have been if Aki had pulled out of the tackle by standing up and the Samoan player fell into him?

Part of the problem was the forward momentum of Aki. If he’d just stood up he could have been accused of not trying to tackle correctly(no arm movements) and possibly still dangerous play..

But a lot would depend on how the collision happened

stephen_n

The amount of unforced errors from Ireland again is worrying. For a team built on accuracy, it has deserted us completely this year.

Larbre34

jammiedodgers wrote: »

What are RTE analysis saying about red card?

Agreed across the board.

Loafing Oaf

jammiedodgers wrote: »

What are RTE analysis saying about red card?

All of them saying 100% right decision

Synode

alchemist33 wrote: »

Genuine question - how was Aki supposed.to tackle there? Get lower down than the ball carrier?

He had his hips bent but his head and arms were way above the hips and going up when he made contact. Always going to be a red if he made contact with the head

shootermacg

Another time larmour didn't pass.

Murof

Why not go for the posts there? BP secured so make sure of the win.

shootermacg

Murof wrote: »

Why not go for the posts there? BP secured so make sure of the win.

Play in their 22 to take the wind out of their sails.

budhabob

Murof wrote: »

Why not go for the posts there? BP secured so make sure of the win.

Run down the clock?

whatawaster

shootermacg wrote: »

Another time larmour didn't pass.

His decision making is poor.

Sort that out and he can be world class

Kristopherus

Another try here????

Faugheen

shootermacg wrote: »

Another time larmour didn't pass.

Who on Earth was he supposed to pass to? Sometime you just take the ball into contact

Your crusade against Larmour is baffling today.

gmisk

Kristopherus wrote: »

Another try here????

Nope

dublinman1990

Furlong was short there.