Ireland Team Talk XI: Team of nervoUS MOD warning Post 1

Larbre34

Ed Byrne is well able.

TRC10

Team I'd like to see Farrell go with.

15-Keenan
14-Conway
13-Farrell
12-Aki
11-Lowe
10-Byrne
9-JGP
1-Healy
2-Kelleher
3-Porter
4-Henderson
5-Ryan (c)
6-Stander
7-Connors
8-Doris

16-Herring
17-Byrne
18-Bealham
19-Roux
20-Beirne
21-O'Mahony
22-Murray
23-Stockdale

Dubinusa

Damn !!! Without Sexton it looks like a long road. I would think we will lose now. But, it gifts an opportunity to someone else. I suppose that there's no better place to stake a claim than Twickers.
I would go with
Healy
Herring
Porter
Roux... was good last week
Ryan
POM... was excellent last week
Connors.... a real challenge for a new lad.
Stander
JGP... speed
RB .... a real chance to prove himself
Lowe
Aki
Farrell
Conway
Keenan

Byrne
Kelleher
Bealham
Henderson... hasn't played in a month.
Doris
Murray
Burns
Earls

The bench is probably undercooked. Especially at the props. Henderson has not played for a month, so bench for me. Connors gets a crack and we'll see what he can do.
Losing Henshaw doesn't really affect us as Aki is available. They're level imo.
I hope the plan involves getting Conway and Lowe involved. They're the 2 best wings we have and can turn the defense upside down.
This is a great chance for Keenan. He is capable and a solid performance would relieve a lot of pressure on AF.

El_Duderino 09

Larbre34 wrote: »

Ed Byrne is well able.

Yeah but it's a long way from how confident you'd be if Kilcoyne and Healy were doing 60:20 (in whatever order).

For that matter Furlong and Porter would be a lot stronger too.

I really hope Porter is gaining a lot of experience form this stint as the resident no.3. Becoming a great prop takes years but this must be excellent experience for him particularly as he's being bested in some instances like Sarries and probably again by England.

I'm aware that I'm a fan and I don't always notice when the team I support, cheats. But I don't see the Irish front row drive at an angle as often as i see the opposition do it. France's loosehead was driving at a 45 degrees on Porter at one point and they won penalties on account of it.

Bazzo

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah but it's a long way from how confident you'd be if Kilcoyne and Healy were doing 60:20 (in whatever order).

For that matter Furlong and Porter would be a lot stronger too.

I really hope Porter is gaining a lot of experience form this stint as the resident no.3. Becoming a great prop takes years but this must be excellent experience for him particularly as he's being bested in some instances like Sarries and probably again by England.

I'm aware that I'm a fan and I don't always notice when the team I support, cheats. But I don't see the Irish front row drive at an angle as often as i see the opposition do it. France's loosehead was driving at a 45 degrees on Porter at one point and they won penalties on account of it.

If you were to analyse each scrum there's infringements all over the place on both sides, up to the ref to decide how material they are.

Half the battle in being an effective scrummager is playing to the ref.

bilston

CMcsporty wrote: »

That's it. He's a good 12 but just not as good as Aki or Henshaw.
He deserves a game v Georgia but then again Frawley might be worth a look at 12?

I dont think Frawley merits a look over McCloskey

El_Duderino 09

bilston wrote: »

I dont think Frawley merits a look over McCloskey

But if McCloskey is too limited in his ability to play other positions so you're not going to pick him, then why not train up the next guy who is able to play more than one position?

Is McCloskey not able to play 13? Considering how often 12s and 13s switch between plays, i always assumed they would at least understand the other position,

As it goes, i don't think Frawley is proven yet.

kingofthekong

TRC10 wrote: »

Team I'd like to see Farrell go with.

15-Keenan
14-Conway
13-Farrell
12-Aki
11-Lowe
10-Byrne
9-JGP
1-Healy
2-Kelleher
3-Porter
4-Henderson
5-Ryan (c)
6-Stander
7-Connors
8-Doris

16-Herring
17-Byrne
18-Bealham
19-Roux
20-Beirne
21-O'Mahony
22-Murray
23-Stockdale

If Stockdale is fit he starts , Conway very lucky to maintain his place , he was driven into touch twice back to back and lost Ireland possession in the red zone...as an international winger that’s just not good enough I’d be fine with Earls replacing Conway . Everything else is exactly as I would pick it

Paul Smeenus

I don't think I've ever seen McCloskey play thirteen.

I'd have Hume ahead of Frawley at centre (where Hume plays both 12 and 13), and Frawley's not nearly experienced enough a ten for that to factor. But, like Addison, Baloucoune and Curtis, Hume is injured.

El_Duderino 09

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

I don't think I've ever seen McCloskey play thirteen.

I'd have Hume ahead of Frawley at centre (where Hume plays both 12 and 13), and Frawley's not nearly experienced enough a ten for that to factor. But, like Addison, Baloucoune and Curtis, Hume is injured.

I thought Hume was great since lockdown and I’d agree he ought to be ahead of Frawley. Pity about the injury.

bilston

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

I don't think I've ever seen McCloskey play thirteen.

I'd have Hume ahead of Frawley at centre (where Hume plays both 12 and 13), and Frawley's not nearly experienced enough a ten for that to factor. But, like Addison, Baloucoune and Curtis, Hume is injured.

What's Hume's injury?

Paul Smeenus

bilston wrote: »

What's Hume's injury?

Dunno - thought I read somewhere online that he was out with injury? I know Stewart Moore is highly rated, but this is his sixth game on the trot (at 12 or 13) - I'd imagine that's to do with Addison/Curtis being injured and MCloskey in Ireland camp. I think if Hume was fit he'd be in instead of Moore.

Paul Smeenus

Sorry - for the Ulster thread.

VayNiice

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah but it's a long way from how confident you'd be if Kilcoyne and Healy were doing 60:20 (in whatever order).

For that matter Furlong and Porter would be a lot stronger too.

I really hope Porter is gaining a lot of experience form this stint as the resident no.3. Becoming a great prop takes years but this must be excellent experience for him particularly as he's being bested in some instances like Sarries and probably again by England.

I'm aware that I'm a fan and I don't always notice when the team I support, cheats. But I don't see the Irish front row drive at an angle as often as i see the opposition do it. France's loosehead was driving at a 45 degrees on Porter at one point and they won penalties on account of it.

I'd be equally worried if it was Kilcoyne on the bench. He has a lot to his game but he's an average scrummager at times. Particularly against a tight five like England I'd be worried.

Bealham and Byrne are both capable scrummagers but England is just a different beast altogether. I think I'll be covering my eyes at scrum time as the match goes on

theVersatile

Any chance of Shane Daly getting the 23 Jersey? Covers 13 and the back three (not sure if he's played 12) so could be a good option - maybe England isn't the best time though.

theVersatile

theVersatile wrote: »

Any chance of Shane Daly getting the 23 Jersey? Covers 13 and the back three (not sure if he's played 12) so could be a good option - maybe England isn't the best time though.

Yeah I hope he gets a run during the international window - he's really impressed this season.

P.Walnuts

VayNiice wrote: »

I'd be equally worried if it was Kilcoyne on the bench. He has a lot to his game but he's an average scrummager at times. Particularly against a tight five like England I'd be worried.

Bealham and Byrne are both capable scrummagers but England is just a different beast altogether. I think I'll be covering my eyes at scrum time as the match goes on

Kilcoyne is comfortably a better scrummager than Ed Byrne

Dan Leavy is looking pretty good this evening.

Clegg

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Dan Leavy is looking pretty good this evening.

So does Jimmy O'Brien. Similar player to Keenan in that he makes very few mistakes. Might be another player for Farrell to look at.

bilston

Mike Lowry was excellent AGAIN for Ulster tonight...I really think he needs to be part of the conversation in the full back discussion. Great going forward and positionally excellent.

OneLungDavy

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Kilcoyne is comfortably a better scrummager than Ed Byrne

I find it hard to believe that Ed Byrne is the third best LH in Ireland at the moment. How did this happen?

Paul Smeenus

OneLungDavy wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that Ed Byrne is the third best LH in Ireland at the moment. How did this happen?

Eric O'Sullivan's Patented Invisibility Cloak.

bilston

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Eric O'Sullivan's Patented Invisibility Cloak.

That white jersey seems to have that effect to be fair

Buer

Has he tried telling people he's from Dublin?

Squidgy Black

Buer wrote: »

Has he tried telling people he's from Dublin?

Dunno, in a white jersey that seems to have an even worse effect, just look at what happened to Jack McGrath and Jordi Murphy

kingofthekong

bilston wrote: »

That white jersey seems to have that effect to be fair

What player from Ulster deserves to be involved with Ireland that isnt?

Coetzee has already been capped by SA unfortunately

P.Walnuts

kingofthekong wrote: »

What player from Ulster deserves to be involved with Ireland that isnt?

Coetzee has already been capped by SA unfortunately

Well as is blatantly obvious, EOS is better than Ed Byrne

bilston

kingofthekong wrote: »

What player from Ulster deserves to be involved with Ireland that isnt?

Coetzee has already been capped by SA unfortunately

There are a few that could easily be in the extended squad.

Ulster, who reached the Pro 14 final, reached the Heienken Cup Quarter Finals and have gone 6 from 6 (inc. 4 BP by half time) had fewer international call ups than ANY other side in the Pro 14

Fewer than the Dragons!

As for personnel...

Eric O'Sullivan
Marty Moore
Sean Reidy
John Cooney
James Hume
Michael Lowry

Moore and Cooney are very unlucky to not be in the squad right now.

They could all easily be part of the extended squad. I mean if people here are seriously talking up Jimmy O'Brien and Ciaran Frawley then those guys should be considered as well.

kingofthekong

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Well as is blatantly obvious, EOS is better than Ed Byrne

Potentially a case for EOS but its not that clear cut

There isnt really a huge portion of Ulster players being hard done by in selection that causes all this bollocks about bias in Ireland selection

kingofthekong

bilston wrote: »

There are a few that could easily be in the extended squad.

Ulster, who reached the Pro 14 final, reached the Heienken Cup Quarter Finals and have gone 6 from 6 (inc. 4 BP by half time) had fewer international call ups than ANY other side in the Pro 14

Fewer than the Dragons!

As for personnel...

Eric O'Sullivan
Marty Moore
Sean Reidy
John Cooney
James Hume
Michael Lowry

Moore and Cooney are very unlucky to not be in the squad right now.

They could all easily be part of the extended squad. I mean if people here are seriously talking up Jimmy O'Brien and Ciaran Frawley then those guys should be considered as well.

Which players should they be replacing in the squad?,

Otherwise you havent made any point unless you can isolate the exact player that should lose their place to their ulster counter part