Woman who died after putting her head out of a moving train window

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Amirani wrote: »

You can think she's stupid and all, but that sort of statement suggests a lack of empathy bordering on psychopathy.

suicide_circus wrote: »

rubbish

No, Amirani is pretty spot on. I would bet good money that more than half the respondents to this thread have at some point in their adult life had a momentary lapse into dangerous stupidity. Most people get away with it though and then it’s oh so easy to climb up on the sanctimony pony. She suffered the worst case scenario. That’s sad and unfortunate.

Grab All Association

the mk2 and craven carriages when the smoking ban was introduced. they were still in service between 2004-2008. Scumbag types would stick their arms out the window hiding their cigarettes. I’m surprised it never happened here during those 4 years.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Distasteful thread.

The main point is that it was a stupid and irresponsible thing to do, but the fact that investigators have even alluded that the responsibility was not laid 100% on the tragic girl is beyond ridiculous.

She made a silly choice and paid the ultimate price. It is very sad for her family but it doesn't negate the fact that she was responsible for her actions.

Yes, the tree should have been trimmed according to guidelines but unless the tree encroached so far that it hit the carriage, it would have been perfectly safe to travel once your head wasn't outside the moving train.

Saying that the caution sign wasn't specific enough or was the wrong colour is a damning indictment of how people clamour for a nanny state while at the same time, most of these people are up in arms when the government encroach on their personal choices.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The main point is that it was a stupid and irresponsible thing to do, but the fact that investigators have even alluded that the responsibility was not laid 100% on the tragic girl is beyond ridiculous.

She made a silly choice and paid the ultimate price. It is very sad for her family but it doesn't negate the fact that she was responsible for her actions.

Yes, the tree should have been trimmed according to guidelines but unless the tree encroached so far that it hit the carriage, it would have been perfectly safe to travel once your head wasn't outside the moving train.

Saying that the caution sign wasn't specific enough or was the wrong colour is a damning indictment of how people clamour for a nanny state while at the same time, most of these people are up in arms when the government encroach on their personal choices.

That kind of argument isn’t what’s distasteful, it’s the gloating at the death of a young woman.

That said that particular line is fairly open and free of tunnels and mostly free of encroachments from trees or hedges, she was prettty unlucky.

marieholmfan

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-50067073

The warning sign which stated "Caution: Do not lean out of the window while the train is moving" wasn't adequate enough because it wasn't in red, and the use of the word "caution" didn't convey the seriousness of possible injury?!?!

Jesus Christ!

Is it victim blaming to say that this young socialist was a gob****e if she didn't see there was any potentially fatal consequence to sticking your head out of a moving train?!

Very sad to see such an intelligent moral and pretty young woman die.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

That kind of argument isn’t what’s distasteful, it’s the gloating at the death of a young woman.

That said that particular line is fairly open and free of tunnels and mostly free of encroachments from trees or hedges, she was prettty unlucky.

While I agree that it is distasteful to gloat, I still think that recognising her stupidity and culpability isn't.

marieholmfan

marieholmfan wrote: »

Very sad to see such an intelligent moral and pretty young woman die.

What, in the article about sticking her head out of a moving train, suggested she was intelligent?

Billy Mays

Deleted User wrote: »

WTF does that have to with anything?

Nothing obviously


Just an unnecessary dig by the OP hoping for a bite. Job dunne I suppose

marieholmfan

Deleted User wrote: »

What, in the article about sticking her head out of a moving train, suggested she was intelligent?

She was a university student and presumably was quite intelligent. I don't say that the act of sticking her head of a moving train was intelligent.


In fact the consequences were tragic and in my opinion this whole discussion should be deleted.


Anyone criticising her intelligence is a sad and bitter twisted little freak.

marieholmfan

marieholmfan wrote: »

Anyone criticising her intelligence is a sad and bitter twisted little freak.

And you are basing this on?

Billy Mays

Billy Mays wrote: »

Nothing obviously


Just an unnecessary dig by the OP hoping for a bite. Job dunne I suppose

The fact that she was a woman isn't really important either but I mentioned that. The fact that she was (relatively) young isn't important either and yet that was mentioned. The fact the article mentioned she was a socialist and I mentioned that too is somehow a "dig".

Fair enough

Raconteuse

Deleted User wrote: »

And you are basing this on?

Nothing. They're just being antagonistic for the craic.

marieholmfan

Raconteuse wrote: »

Nothing. They're just being antagonistic for the craic.

It isn't antagonistic to describe people laughing at a young woman's death as sad bitter little freaks.


It's a statement of fact.

Raconteuse

marieholmfan wrote: »

Anyone criticising her intelligence is a sad and bitter twisted little freak.

marieholmfan wrote: »

It isn't antagonistic to describe people laughing at a young woman's death as sad bitter little freaks

Two different things.

CountingCrows

marieholmfan wrote: »

in my opinion this whole discussion should be deleted.

:rolleyes:

PostWoke

mr_fegelien wrote: »

A candidate for the 2019 Darwin Award.

I feel like since the Millenial generation came along and started leaving mammy's home there's almost too many candidates, no guarantee she'll be shortlisted.

conorhal

marieholmfan wrote: »

It isn't antagonistic to describe people laughing at a young woman's death as sad bitter little freaks.


It's a statement of fact.

It's a matter of perspective.


“Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.” ― Mel Brooks.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What, in the article about sticking her head out of a moving train, suggested she was intelligent?

Ever make a mistake dunne?

SusieBlue

You'd swear no one here ever did anything stupid for a laugh while under the influence of drink.

marieholmfan

marieholmfan wrote: »

It isn't antagonistic to describe people laughing at a young woman's death as sad bitter little freaks.


It's a statement of fact.

I agreed that it was distasteful to gloat or joke about the accidental death of this woman, but recognising the culpability and stupidity of her actions wasn't.

You said that anyone who criticised her intelligence is a sad bitter twisted freak and the whole conversation should be shut down, presumably because we all don't promote the "fact" that this woman was moral, pretty and intelligent.

PostWoke

marieholmfan wrote: »

She was a university student and presumably was quite intelligent.

Big assumption there tbh.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Ever make a mistake dunne?

Absolutely. And I accept full responsibility for them. Thankfully, none of my mistakes have as of yet resulted in any fatalities.

What is your point?

Ted_YNWA

Closing pending review

corks finest

Mokuba wrote:

But how thick would you need to be to put your head out the window of a moving train. It's incredible really that they could blame the signage for someone's idiocy.

In all fairness that's beyond stupid, beyond recklessness

Raconteuse

I think The Dunne's point is about the claim that there was inadequate warning about the danger.

Nobody's happy that she died though.