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Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

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    #302
    [Deleted User]
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    mvl wrote: »
    Only 1 GP, and they plan to host that number of ppl ...At least in Borrisokane they seem to be willing to stage receiving the families, start with 4, adding more later "once local issues have been resolved over school and medical resources.".
    How can this double standard be allowed in same time ?

    They really not all moving in together, it will be staged over time.
    One GP? I'm sure there's plenty of doctors would love to be in the town.
    The doctor in Ballinamore in one of the top ten highest paid gp's in the country.


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    #303
    Varik
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Round the clock protest to take place after 350 attended a meeting this evening.

    Also some back peddling from SF

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/ballinamore-residents-hold-crisis-meeting-over-asylum-seeker-plan-1.4056937

    A lot of selective phrasing, as they and the papers can't be broadcasting anything negative.


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    #304
    splinter65
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    No. They will have the same life as anyone else who lives there.
    It's good enough for Irish people, why would it not be good enough for non Irish people?

    I don’t think you know very much about DP bubblypop. It’s more or less prison with €20 spending a week.
    You do know that?


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    #305
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    bubblypop wrote: »
    They really not all moving in together, it will be staged over time.
    One GP? I'm sure there's plenty of doctors would love to be in the town.
    The doctor in Ballinamore in one of the top ten highest paid gp's in the country.

    You’ve not heard anything about the crisis surrounding the shortage of GPs in rural Ireland?

    https://www.collinsmedicalpractice.ie/why-is-there-a-gp-famine/

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/doctor-shortage-to-leave-more-than-230000-without-gp-care-38455421.html


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    #306
    thomasdylan
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    They really not all moving in together, it will be staged over time.
    One GP? I'm sure there's plenty of doctors would love to be in the town.
    The doctor in Ballinamore in one of the top ten highest paid gp's in the country.

    It's almost impossible to attract new GPs to small towns. There's a staffing crisis in general practice. You don't know what you're talking about.


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    #307
    goose2005
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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    I for one welcome our new asylum seeking overlords.


    The population of Leitrim used to be over 150,000. It is now just over 30,000. I think we should welcome new members into the community. There have been many heartening stories of successful integration in Leitrim.
    Depopulated Leitrim villages such as Kiltyclogher are actively looking for people to move there.

    that was in the days of unmechanised agriculture, hardly relevant today.


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    splinter65 wrote: »
    I don’t think you know very much about DP bubblypop. It’s more or less prison with €20 spending a week.
    You do know that?

    I know exactly what direct provision is, it's not right. At all. It's a terrible system.
    So, thankfully Ballinamore will be different. Families will be able to live in their own apartments. Which is great.
    I don't know yet what way the food or money will work. Buy it's definitely better then direct provision!


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    #309
    mvl
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    thomasdylan wrote: »
    It's almost impossible to attract new GPs to small towns. There's a staffing crisis in general practice. You don't know what you're talking about.

    Wonder how long it takes for HSE to approve new GPs - so many small towns don't have enough of them as is.
    (I thought one reason can be because HSE is trying to consolidate the GPs number, as per capita Ireland has too many GPs, compared with EU)


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    #310
    PostWoke
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    I don’t think you know very much about DP bubblypop. It’s more or less prison with €20 spending a week.
    You do know that?

    It's a guaranteed roof and three square meals and safety, more than what 10,000 in this country have. Don't like it? Leave.

    That goes for the asylum scammers from the african continent in their dinghies and in Calais now, don't have an issue with people from war-torn countries being safe here for a few years until the conflict is over.


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    #311
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    You’ve not heard anything about the crisis surrounding the shortage of GPs in rural Ireland?

    https://www.collinsmedicalpractice.ie/why-is-there-a-gp-famine/

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/doctor-shortage-to-leave-more-than-230000-without-gp-care-38455421.html

    Snore snore
    Yep there is a gp shortage..... And yet I know 3 gp that wanted to set up practise in Ballinamore......... And they couldn't.........
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    goose2005
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    enricoh wrote: »
    Heres a fine doctor or engineer from todays indo.
    Arrived 19 years ago from that wartorn hellhole moldova n claimed asylum. Has worked for 1 year since!
    Resides in clonsilla courtesy of the taxpayer n is separated from missus n 4 kids. Another house required from taxpayer there no doubt.
    In court looking for a handy compo payout.
    What has this parasite cost the country so far?!

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-denies-his-accident-claim-for-collision-is-a-massive-fraud-38606113.html

    He had earlier said he got the €20,000 cash for the van from his mother in Moldova and another €12,000 from his sister in Italy to buy vehicles.

    jesus, his mother must be the queen of moldova with that kind of cash


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    #313
    splinter65
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    mvl wrote: »
    Wonder how long it takes for HSE to approve new GPs - so many small towns don't have enough of them as is.
    (I thought one reason can be because HSE is trying to consolidate the GPs number, as per capita Ireland has too many GPs, compared with EU)

    The HSE can’t attract GPs. They can’t get them. Who in gods name wants to be a GP in Borrisokane .


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    #314
    mvl
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    splinter65 wrote: »
    The HSE can’t attract GPs. They can’t get them. Who in gods name wants to be a GP in Borrisokane .
    Maybe wrong name :). TBH, I thought they may get lucky with volunteers that are supporting the cause, as long as HSE approves setting up new practices.

    PS: Statistics for 2016 - IRL having a high number of GPs per 100K inhabitants, by comparison with other EU countries https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Physicians,_by_speciality,_2016_HLTH18.png


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    splinter65 wrote: »
    The HSE can’t attract GPs. They can’t get them. Who in gods name wants to be a GP in Borrisokane .

    Someone who is originally from near borrisokane?
    Obviously


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    #316
    Gatling
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Someone who is originally from near borrisokane?
    Obviously

    You seem to think people are queing up to open services in borrisokane ,
    So we will see the newly arrived migrants likely with little English and or education with 20 odd Euro to spend ,
    No extra school places or resources for local schools , or gp services and likely an increase in crime and anti social behaviour ,

    Might suddenly be an increase in New taxis and foreign drivers in borrisokane thought
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    Gatling wrote: »
    and likely an increase in crime and anti social behavior

    Really?
    Why?


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    #318
    Woodsie1
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    No. They will have the same life as anyone else who lives there.
    It's good enough for Irish people, why would it not be good enough for non Irish people?

    you ignored the fact they will only get 20 or 30 quid each,what are they going to be able to do with themselves to better their situation,to live independantly and not live a life of social welfare handouts in a town that people have deserted for years to find a better life.

    Pie in the sky feelgood bullsh1t wont work here


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    #319
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Someone who is originally from near borrisokane?
    Obviously

    You have absolutely no idea what’s going on in Ireland at all, have you?


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    Annasopra
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    Varik wrote: »
    A lot of selective phrasing, as they and the papers can't be broadcasting anything negative.

    Its very staged. Far right provocateurs have coached them what to say after they realised that happened in Oughterard and Carrickmacross.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #321
    Annasopra
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    I know exactly what direct provision is, it's not right. At all. It's a terrible system.
    So, thankfully Ballinamore will be different. Families will be able to live in their own apartments. Which is great.
    I don't know yet what way the food or money will work. Buy it's definitely better then direct provision!

    This is direct provision!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #322
    Annasopra
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Really?
    Why?

    Its the far right propaganda I highlighted earlier

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #323
    SSr0
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Its the far right propaganda I highlighted earlier

    You seem like a very angry person, life is too short to live like that.


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    #324
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Its the far right propaganda I highlighted earlier

    As far as I can see the position of the Left is that DP is wrong wrong wrong but if people in a village of 1500 people like Borrisokane with serious social problems, no employment one small primary school no public transport and no GP object to having DP dumped on them then they are automatically bigoted small minded xenophobic racists.
    Anyone who raises even the mildest query about how this is going to benefit either the asylum seekers or the people of the village has been totally fooled by some right wing propoganda.
    Is that it in a nutshell Joey?


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    #325
    Chinasea
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    thomasdylan wrote: »
    It's almost impossible to attract new GPs to small towns. There's a staffing crisis in general practice. You don't know what you're talking about.
    Not once was this mentioned when the red carpets were being rolled out in their droves in Athenry when Apple were planning on setting up shop and bringing hundreds to the town. NOT A ONCE...


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    Beechwoodspark
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Round the clock protest to take place after 350 attended a meeting this evening.

    Also some back peddling from SF

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/ballinamore-residents-hold-crisis-meeting-over-asylum-seeker-plan-1.4056937


    Fair play to those protestors. The example of oughterard must give them hope


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    #327
    Varik
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    Chinasea wrote: »
    Not once was this mentioned when the red carpets were being rolled out in their droves in Athenry when Apple were planning on setting up shop and bringing hundreds to the town. NOT A ONCE...


    Maybe because it wasn't an issue, and that not even the clowns protesting that would been stupid enough to suggest it as one.


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    #328
    dvdman1
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    Asylum Seeking is a crazy idea....the peoples who live here are not responsible for the worlds problems.
    While heartbreaking the storys can be...the idea of just letting people live here with no connection or allegiance to our land is nutz
    If anything these policys encourage fake stories


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    #329
    Boggles
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    dvdman1 wrote: »
    While heartbreaking the storys can be...the idea of just letting people live here with no connection or allegiance to our land is nutz

    So we should get rid of all immigration, close the border completely?


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    #330
    dvdman1
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    Boggles wrote: »
    So we should get rid of all immigration, close the border completely?

    NO


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    Boggles
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    dvdman1 wrote: »
    NO

    How so?
    the idea of just letting people live here with no connection or allegiance to our land is nutz

    It is either nutz or it isn't.


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