Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

mvl

blueshade wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/conglese-man-rapes-woman-in-limerick-4861240-Oct2019/

This charming fellow was here 8 months on his brother's visa as part of the family reunification scheme. A woman refused to allow him to kiss her so he raped her in a particularly nasty way, he won't even be deported when he serves his sentence. Apparently he ''misread the signals'', not sure what part of NO means YES. This isn't the first case and it won't be the last. These people aren't refugees, they are asylum seekers and most of them don't get screened properly.

see - this is an issue maybe we can ask to fix: family reunification should only be for spouses/children. not sure what to say about dependent adults, may be included or not ...

blueshade

mvl wrote: »

see - this is an issue maybe we can ask to fix: family reunification should only be for spouses/children. not sure what to say about dependent adults, may be included or not ...

There was the case a year or so ago where a guy brought in 70 members of his extended family. There's a political push to change the regulations to allow anyone granted asylum here the right to bring not just their spouse and children but their siblings, parents, uncles, aunts and grandparents. Where do we put them? I've no problem with bringing genuine, well vetted refugees here until their country is safe to return to. But what is being proposed is colonisation not asylum. When you bring in an entire extended family there is no way they are being sent home. Who rebuilds their home countries when the wars are over?

Eric Cartman

blueshade wrote: »

There was the case a year or so ago where a guy brought in 70 members of his extended family. There's a political push to change the regulations to allow anyone granted asylum here the right to bring not just their spouse and children but their siblings, parents, uncles, aunts and grandparents. Where do we put them? I've no problem with bringing genuine, well vetted refugees here until their country is safe to return to. But what is being proposed is colonisation not asylum. When you bring in an entire extended family there is no way they are being sent home. Who rebuilds their home countries when the wars are over?

for a country with a massive looming pensions and elderly care crisis I don't think anyone over 40 should be granted asylum or even allowed be re-unified, this business of allowing in people who absolutely have no chance of paying more than they receive is complete nonsense.

blueshade

Eric Cartman wrote: »

for a country with a massive looming pensions and elderly care crisis I don't think anyone over 40 should be granted asylum or even allowed be re-unified, this business of allowing in people who absolutely have no chance of paying more than they receive is complete nonsense.

I haven't heard a reasonable explanation on how illiterate unskilled Africans are going to contribute to solving the pensions crisis. When you factor in the costs associated with keeping them here, providing them with accomodation, clothing, food, education, medicine and multiple failed asylum claims for upwards of a decade at what point do they contribute? Most of the ones who have been granted asylum don't even work. Sure, the MASI and Immigrant Council of Ireland will tell you that's because employers are racist and not at all that they aren't willing to work because on Social Welfare they're already earning more than they would at home.

PhiloCypher

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Not saying they are

But if there was one centralized facility rather than them dotted every second townland in da country, it’d be better for the asylum seekers

If you cluster them together they will never integrate, which is the reason most commonly cited by people give who are anti immigration as to why they don't like them.

The Irony is that even when they do integrate, like Hazel Chu who was born in Ireland, she still gets abuse and accused of not being Irish. There is literally no winning with a certain sector of society. They go out of their way to make immigrants feel as unwelcome as possible and then wonder why they stick to their own and struggle to integrate.

Spanish Eyes

I suppose Just Eat or Deliveroo will provide all their meals to the apartments, since they will not have enough cash to buy and cook their own. Just wondered, as this seems to be a different set up to most reception/DP centres.

Gatling

blueshade wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/conglese-man-rapes-woman-in-limerick-4861240-Oct2019/

Maybe another poster can tell us about culture

Beechwoodspark

PhiloCypher wrote: »

If you cluster them together they will never integrate, which is the reason most commonly cited by people give who are anti immigration as to why they don't like them.

The Irony is that even when they do integrate, like Hazel Chu who was born in Ireland, she still gets abuse and accused of not being Irish. There is literally no winning with a certain sector of society. They go out of their way to make immigrants feel as unwelcome as possible and then wonder why they stick to their own and struggle to integrate.

My view is that failed asylum seekers who get deportation orders should be deported. So, you receive your deportation papers on a Monday, you are on your way home the following Thursday. Fcek integration for them. Would be pointless and a waste of public money if they are being deported.

The genuine ones should be given plenty of chances to integrate. I would suggest a mandatory integration course that accepted asylum seekers must complete before final papers are signed off on.

iebamm2580

PhiloCypher wrote: »

If you cluster them together they will never integrate, which is the reason most commonly cited by people give who are anti immigration as to why they don't like them.

The Irony is that even when they do integrate, like Hazel Chu who was born in Ireland, she still gets abuse and accused of not being Irish. There is literally no winning with a certain sector of society. They go out of their way to make immigrants feel as unwelcome as possible and then wonder why they stick to their own and struggle to integrate.

Hence why small villages dont want so many immigrants, a few is ok as seen in my locality where they integrate well play sports etc but when you house a load of immigrants together they will stick together and never try to integrate and then problems will arise i.e hells kitchen in nyc with the irish. This has nothing got to do with religion,race etc.

Varik

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I suppose Just Eat or Deliveroo will provide all their meals to the apartments, since they will not have enough cash to buy and cook their own. Just wondered, as this seems to be a different set up to most reception/DP centres.

One of the shops on site was meant to be set up for them to use where they'd have store credit/food stamps/an allotment.

blueshade

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

My view is that failed asylum seekers who get deportation orders should be deported. Fcek integration for them.

The genuine ones should be given plenty of chances to integrate. I would suggest a mandatory integration course that accepted asylum seekers must complete before final papers are signed off on.

I think the current system of Direct Provision centres being places that asylum seekers can wander in and out of is a big problem. They complain about them being awful places yet they refuse to go home and keep making appeals. Every month there's an increase in the number of Africans in my town and I don't care about their skin colour or their nationality, if they were genuine refugees I wouldn't have an issue with it, but they aren't. That's the problem.

They are able to walk into a fully furnished house with everything provided while people who've been on housing lists for years are struggling to pay over 1000 euro a month for the same house. Nobody, least of all the Minister for Justice, knows how many have actually left the country after being issued with deportation orders because it's up to the individual to self deport.

Boggles

splinter65 wrote: »

I do believe that you genuinely don’t have the capacity to understand the difference between:
A. a housing development that may bring willing enthusiastic taxpayers to live in the area, to spend their wages, contribute to the local economy, integrate with the community, can look after themselves etc. and

The last housing development didn't bring anyone though, did it?

4068ac1elhodqr

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I would suggest a mandatory integration course that accepted asylum seekers must complete before final papers are signed off on.

That's what (formerly open and welcoming) Denmark 'had' to do, as they faced ghetto situations in many urban areas.

So they told the new ghetto kids to learn Danish (free classes), understand Danish cultural values (free classes), if they want to continue to recieve welfare and integrate successfuly.

Worst of all... they asked them to shake hands if they want to become official citizens at a ceremony. Of course, all this kicked off a stink of a reaction.

Beechwoodspark

I strongly believe there should be one centralized location - I suggest an extended mosney- for them. While they await asylum processing have the schools the health care the integration classes etc all on campus.

But also have proper security and actually enforce deportations for bogus claims. Get them fast tracked. Then ppl would actually have a bit of faith and trust in the system.

blueshade

My town has had a wide mix of all nationalities and religions for decades and it works because people integrate and they work together, their kids go to school together and people just get on with their lives and their neighbours. People have always been welcomed, as they should be. But the Syrian teenagers don't integrate. They walk around covered head to toe in groups of their own at lunch time. The families don't mix with locals. We are expected to give them everything and make allowances for their religious and cultural beliefs but a Syrian man won't shake hands with a woman and a Syrian woman isn't allowed to shake hands with a man.

Eric Cartman

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

That's what (formerly open and welcoming) Denmark 'had' to do, as they faced ghetto situations in many urban areas.

So they told the new ghetto kids to learn Danish (free classes), understand Danish cultural values (free classes), if they want to continue to recieve welfare and integrate successfuly.

Worst of all... they asked them to shake hands if they want to become official citizens at a ceremony. Of course, all this kicked off a stink of a reaction.

dont forget their 'don't rape women, theyre not property' classes too
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3297021/Migrants-Denmark-mandatory-sex-education-lesson-consent-woman-allegedly-raped-three-Eritrean-men.html

PostWoke

Slowyourrole wrote: »

In the UK there is tonnes of food going to rot in fields because they have a shortage of unskilled EU workers. Automation takes innovation, time and money to implement. You can't forsake industry in the hopes it will arrive sooner rather than later.

What is your point exactly? Plenty of lads sitting on the dole, let the UK implement work orders or something.

bubblypop wrote: »

So, they just don't want them.

Yeah because of the reasons they outlined, follow along.

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Forget DP. It's a failed model.

The Refugees and AS should be put into housing in these areas.

Again, we have a chance to show the Swedes and Germans how to do integration correctly.

They're not refugees, and no, we should be putting nationals who are unhoused into housing.

Also give over with that 'let's show them' shtick, Sweden and Germany, and in fact most of Northern Europe, are leagues ahead of us in terms of understanding social issues and putting schemes into place to treat them. They know what they're doing, and why it's better for their people, which is their primary mandate.

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

Absolutely. If this 130 people were coming to Ballinamore to contribute financially economically and socially and developmentally to the town then there would be a brass band out.
But that’s not what’s happening. An already economically and socially decimated, neglected village is having more pressure put on it by the dumping of people with very complex specialist specific needs which the village cannot meet.
But really truth be told you don’t care about the locals or the asylum seekers needs. You have no interest in the nuances of the situation.
It’s all about the opportunity to do a nice little bit of virtue signaling when you see a chink of an opportunity.

I have no idea what virtue signalling is, not do I care.
The town is good enough for local people, it could be a great place for the asylum seekers to live.

PostWoke

blueshade wrote: »

My town has had a wide mix of all nationalities and religions for decades and it works because people integrate and they work together, their kids go to school together and people just get on with their lives and their neighbours. People have always been welcomed, as they should be. But the Syrian teenagers don't integrate. They walk around covered head to toe in groups of their own at lunch time. The families don't mix with locals. We are expected to give them everything and make allowances for their religious and cultural beliefs but a Syrian man won't shake hands with a woman and a Syrian woman isn't allowed to shake hands with a man.

Which ethnic groups in your experience fully integrated?

Eric Cartman

PostWoke wrote: »

Which ethnic groups in your experience fully integrated?

the poles and the romanians, a great bunch of lads.

PostWoke

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the poles and the romanians, a great bunch of lads.

You must be joking, they're the worst group for integrating and sticking in their homes, I don't recommend living with them either. Very aggressive individuals, I'll take a refusal to shake a hand any day. **** I've had a knife put to my throat by an Eastern European housemate; never again. V. happy with my current quiet Japanese housemate :pac: They always have to be the 'alpha males', very toxic to be around in general. But, they're EU members, so not really part of this discussion. They're part of the union so we can have some kind of buffer between us and Russia :pac:

bubblypop wrote: »

I have no idea what virtue signalling is, not do I care.

Oh, trust me, you in particular, should definitely google the term.

Gatling

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

My view is that failed asylum seekers who get deportation orders should be deported. So, you receive your deportation papers on a Monday, you are on your way home the following Thursday. Fcek integration for them. Would be pointless and a waste of public money if they are being deported.

There are many out there who don't want deportations under any circumstances ,- failed asylum , murder ,rape , child abuse ,drug dealing let them stay they fled something we can't send them back

PostWoke

PostWoke wrote: »

Oh, trust me, you in particular, should definitely google the term.

Lol, so I did!
Nope, doesn't sound like me at all.
Not in the slightest

Boggles

bubblypop wrote: »

I have no idea what virtue signalling is, not do I care.
The town is good enough for local people, it could be a great place for the asylum seekers to live.

What is sad is Leitrim in particular is suffering from depopulation, villages and towns have been crying out for people and families to move there for years in order to keep services and schools open.

This place is about to get handed 20 odd families and the first thing they do is protest. It's not a DP center, it's 25 self catering apartments.

Someone needs to explain to them that the services are not coming back unless it viable for the people who provide the services and that will only happen one way.

alastair

blueshade wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/conglese-man-rapes-woman-in-limerick-4861240-Oct2019/

This charming fellow was here 8 months on his brother's visa as part of the family reunification scheme. A woman refused to allow him to kiss her so he raped her in a particularly nasty way, he won't even be deported when he serves his sentence. Apparently he ''misread the signals'', not sure what part of NO means YES. This isn't the first case and it won't be the last. These people aren't refugees, they are asylum seekers and most of them don't get screened properly.

He wasn’t here on the basis of family reunification. Family reunification doesn’t cover siblings It just covers a spouse and children under 18. He seems to have entered on his brothers’ visa/passport and is now making a claim for residency based on his relations being here - which offers no certainty of success whatsoever.

alastair

mvl wrote: »

see - this is an issue maybe we can ask to fix: family reunification should only be for spouses/children. not sure what to say about dependent adults, may be included or not ...

Family reunification is only for spouse and children under 18.

Gatling

Boggles wrote: »

What is sad is Leitrim in particular is suffering from depopulation, villages and towns have been crying out for people and families to move there for years in order to keep services and schools open.

And how is dumping asylum seeking migrants going to help considering they should face deportation if they fail in there applications considering the majority who apply are denied

splinter65

Boggles wrote: »

The last housing development didn't bring anyone though, did it?

This one mightn’t bring anyone either boggles. Who knows? It’s all a bit of a gamble.
That’s the reality of being in the development business really.
The building of the development will bring employment to some. Will bring a bit of business to the town. To the pubs and the shops, to the garages etc.
What’s not a good idea boggles is to dump a big crowd of people who cannot contribute in any way at all, economically socially financially developmentally to the village, people who don’t want to be here themselves in such an isolated insular environment.
But I’m wasting my time here because like the other poster you don’t actually give one brass damn what is good for the asylum seekers. You’re only interest is virtue signaling.

Gatling

alastair wrote: »

Family reunification is only for spouse and children under 18.

Someome is wrong either the paper or you .

Choices choices


Application conditions
Family relationships
Only some types of family relationship are permitted when joining a family member in Ireland. This includes to join your:

Spouse or civil partner
Long term, de facto partner


*Other family member*




http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/visa-long-family-irish

splinter65

bubblypop wrote: »

I have no idea what virtue signalling is, not do I care.
The town is good enough for local people, it could be a great place for the asylum seekers to live.

virtue signalling
noun
the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
"it's noticeable how often virtue signalling consists of saying you hate things"