Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

Jamie2k9

Fantastic to see the plans have been "paused"!

No TDs will want this problem in there own backyards coming up to an election next year either.

Boggles

weldoninhio wrote: »

You realise that the recent influx of fake asylum seekers are white, right?? From Georgia and Albania.

Where did I say they weren't?

Jamie2k9

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Fantastic to see the plans have been "paused"!

Terrible to see the locals looking so bad.

weldoninhio

Boggles wrote: »

Where did I say they weren't?

What has the pigmentation of their skin got to do with anything??

Boggles

weldoninhio wrote: »

What has the pigmentation of their skin got to do with anything??

You'll have to ask the basket of individuals.

PostWoke

Boggles wrote: »

Where did I say they weren't?

Here Boggles instead of your irritating posting style of just answering questions with questions, which actually doesn't bring anyone to your side if that's what you're trying to do, can you stop waiting a page to post so you can ignore other questions and actually answer them, here, let me repost.

Wouldn't these 30 million euro developments have to be for asylum seekers considering you also claim they can't entice citizens to live in these areas?

Graces7

1641 wrote: »

Sure, the usual "DP sucks" .

Who owns the houses? Are they being offered by the owners for asylum seekers ? At what cost, if at all? How about food, heat, utilities? Should asylum seekers get an allowance to pay for all this (imagine outcry)? Are people going to get houses and "integrate into the community" before being processed? What about those who have integrated and don't get permission to remain?

Nah - Let's just stick to DP sucks.

Private citizens are not liable for the upkeep of asylum seekers. So.… ? the govt pay.

Boggles

PostWoke wrote: »

Here Boggles instead of your irritating posting style of just answering questions with questions, which actually doesn't bring anyone to your side if that's what you're trying to do, can you stop waiting a page to post so you can ignore other questions and actually answer them, here, let me repost.

Wouldn't these 30 million euro developments have to be for asylum seekers considering you also claim they can't entice citizens to live in these areas?

Nothing personal lad, but I don't tend to respond to "new" users on certain issues.

Rarely leads to anything constructive.

1641

Graces7 wrote: »

Private citizens are not liable for the upkeep of asylum seekers. So.… ? the govt pay.

I am not sure what point you are making here.

Asylum seekers stay in private rented houses and the Government pays all their rent, food, heat, utilities, living allowance, etc ?

That is a solution? That is a serious proposal? There would be no outcry about that?

What would be the rental costs of these houses? Would it matter, given that "the Govn pays"? Would that money not be coming from taxpayers (private citizens) anyway?

Gatling

Boggles wrote: »

For instance you have decided in your mind that the asylum seekers that may be housed in Achill are all ready dangerous violent criminals.

I didn't say that but the facts on asylum seekers and crimes speak for themselves and it's widely reported but for some reason certain media outlets seem to ignore /censor reports on it

Boggles

Gatling wrote: »

I didn't say that but the facts on asylum seekers and crimes speak for themselves and it's widely reported but for some reason certain media outlets seem to ignore /censor reports on it

Ah you did. Own your words lad.

Gatling wrote: »

Unfortunately Christianity doesn't have a say ,I'm sure when tourists complain of harrasment ,crime and likely serious assaults ,the islandslers will quickly about face

The meedja are not ignoring anything.

It's a narrative peddled largely by ne'er do wells who have zero proof to back up their racist nonsense.

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

I didn't say that but the facts on asylum seekers and crimes speak for themselves and it's widely reported but for some reason certain media outlets seem to ignore /censor reports on it

What facts are they then?
That some asylum seekers commit crimes? That's true, some do.
Some Irish people also commit crimes.
Just FYI, crimes are committed by all types of people in all walks of life.

Gatling

bubblypop wrote: »

What facts are they then?
That some asylum seekers commit crimes? That's true,

Were agreed so .

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

Were agreed so .

Way to edit my post, at least other posters can see what you're doing.

enricoh

The tánaiste wants no more tds sticking their head over the parapet and questioning the benefits of the asylum spoofer industry. Can all tds please sing off the same hymn sheet, the media have signed up, ta!

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEDjPMEA2fpp2XBG6omSja0qGAgEKg8IACoHCAowyNLTATDN-jUwjbOhAQ?hl=en-IE&gl=IE&ceid=IE%3Aen

Tánaiste Simon Coveney has now warned all public representatives that they have an obligation to speak out against “hysterical language” being used to describe people seeking asylum in Ireland.

Boggles

enricoh wrote: »

The tánaiste wants no more tds sticking their head over the parapet and questioning the benefits of the asylum spoofer industry. Can all tds please sing off the same hymn sheet, the media have signed up, ta!

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEDjPMEA2fpp2XBG6omSja0qGAgEKg8IACoHCAowyNLTATDN-jUwjbOhAQ?hl=en-IE&gl=IE&ceid=IE%3Aen

Tánaiste Simon Coveney has now warned all public representatives that they have an obligation to speak out against “hysterical language” being used to describe people seeking asylum in Ireland.

So an elected law maker has received a txt message stating he should be executed and you pull Coveney's perfectly reasonable response as the thing you have issue with in that article. You are further proof that he is spot on.

:pac:

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

I didn't say that but the facts on asylum seekers and crimes speak for themselves and it's widely reported but for some reason certain media outlets seem to ignore /censor reports on it

https://www.forbes.com/sites/freylindsay/2019/08/29/refugees-in-germany-did-not-bring-higher-risk-to-germans/

4068ac1elhodqr

bubblypop wrote: »

What facts are they then?
That some asylum seekers commit crimes? That's true, some do.
Some Irish people also commit crimes.
Just FYI, crimes are committed by all types of people in all walks of life.

Some enthicities and ideologies are more prone to criminal activities. Making false and misleading asylum applications is only the start of it, when rejected the oragnised crime, gang-related and black tax-free market likely beckons next for them.

Also, if you take a quick look at prison stats over in Eng&W you'll observe that the religion of peace has 300% over-representation. White natives are actually down 10%, in the decade upto 2016.

Now some other ethnicities excel even beyond white natives in earning potential, namely Chinese and Indian (usually arrive on Uni/student visas), who are a really great bunch of lads, for the most part. At the very, very bottom of earnings (p/hr) are both Pakistan and Bangladeshi nationals.

biko

alastair wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/freylindsay/2019/08/29/refugees-in-germany-did-not-bring-higher-risk-to-germans/

The report is somewhat at odds with other sporadic studies that have emerged in Germany since the migrant crisis, such as one from 2018 which seemed to suggest that a rise in crime in Lower Saxony during 2015 and 2016 could be mostly attributed to the large inflow of migrants.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45419466

The claim: The deputy leader of the far-right party Alternative for Germany (AfD) said there had been "447 killings and murders" by illegal migrants in Germany last year.

Reality Check verdict: The German interior ministry says that in fact last year 27 illegal migrants either committed or attempted to commit murder or manslaughter. The 447 figure refers to killings or attempted killings by all asylum seekers and refugees, most of whom are in Germany legally. Overall crime in Germany has fallen to the lowest level since 1992, but there has been an increase in migrant crime.

Fun fact

Then, on 9 September, there were rival far-right and left-wing demonstrations in Köthen, also in eastern Germany, after a German man died in an incident involving Afghan men

Can you spot the bias?
Here it is again "rival far-right and left-wing demonstrations"
Let's reverse it

Then, on 9 September, there were rival right-wing and far-left demonstrations in Köthen

Marianna Little Stinker

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

Some enthicities and ideologies are more prone to criminal activities. Making false and misleading asylum applications is only the start of it, when rejected the oragnised crime, gang-related and black tax-free market likely beckons next for them.

Also, if you take a quick look at prison stats over in Eng&W you'll observe that the religion of peace has 300% over-representation. White natives are actually down 10%, in the decade upto 2016.

Now some other ethnicities excel even beyond white natives in earning potential, namely Chinese and Indian (usually arrive on Uni/student visas), who are a really great bunch of lads, for the most part. At the very, very bottom of earnings (p/hr) are both Pakistan and Bangladeshi nationals.

I would suggest that someone's socioeconomic status is far more of an indicator to whether or not they will become involved in crime.
So, if those statistics you listed could be like fat again, with the incomes, education etc if offenders listed, instead of lazy race &/or religion, I think we could find the real reasons.

Also, when asylum claims are rejected, most eventually leave Ireland themselves, some are subject of deportation orders. Some do try the appeals process, if unsuccessful, they are also subject to deportation orders.

alastair

bubblypop wrote: »

I would suggest that someone's socioeconomic status is far more of an indicator to whether or not they will become involved in crime.
So, if those statistics you listed could be like fat again, with the incomes, education etc if offenders listed, instead of lazy race &/or religion, I think we could find the real reasons.

Also, when asylum claims are rejected, most eventually leave Ireland themselves, some are subject of deportation orders. Some do try the appeals process, if unsuccessful, they are also subject to deportation orders.

Racial profiling plays it's role in UK sentencing too:

For every 100 white women given prison sentences at crown courts for drug offences, 227 black women were given the same.

For black men, it was 141 for every 100 white men.

4068ac1elhodqr

bubblypop wrote: »

I would suggest that someone's socioeconomic status is far more of an indicator to whether or not they will become involved in crime.
So, if those statistics you listed could be like fat again, with the incomes, education etc if offenders listed, instead of lazy race &/or religion, I think we could find the real reasons.

When certain ideologies don't allow females to attend Uni on their own, or have an independent work life, then yes, poverty will indeed become a perma-feature and self trapping event.

bubblypop wrote: »

Also, when asylum claims are rejected, most eventually leave Ireland themselves.

Yet no evidence has been provided to support this 'theory' (other than random google links to nothingness). The only facts we have at hand are that a small number/percentage were removed.

We could also theorise that many dissapear into the black market or criminal underworld. The recent 'operation: Vantage' exposed a shed load of sham marriges and illegal taxi-licences being obtained using fraudulent means.

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

Racial profiling plays it's role in UK sentencing too:

Random unfounded speculation. Courts tend to use something called 'evidence' these days. Hello?

Guess what, the majority of the victims and assailants of the London knifing carry-on, are black or mixed-ethnicities. That's because they're mostly involved in it, great surprise.

Boggles

bubblypop wrote: »

I would suggest that someone's socioeconomic status is far more of an indicator to whether or not they will become involved in crime.

Yes, The funny thing is he has proven the above with his own links about economic activity and crime stats.

But he is trying to shoe horn in the CT that certain large groups of people are just born bad.

It's carnage to watch.

biko

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

That's because they're mostly involved in it, great surprise.

Do you have a source for this? It sounds pretty racist.

alastair

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

Yet no evidence has been provided to support this 'theory' (other than random google links to nothingness). The only facts we have at hand are that a small number/percentage were removed.

We could also theorise that many dissapear into the black market or criminal underworld. The recent 'operation: Vantage' exposed a shed load of sham marriges and illegal taxi-licences being obtained using fraudulent means.

Did any of those sham marriages or taxi licences expose these supposed ex-asylum seekers? Nope. Because there's been zero evidence of any failed asylum seekers not leaving the country, let alone being involved in any criminality. The 'theory' that people served with deportation orders remain here is supported by precisely nothing.

alastair

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

Random unfounded speculation. Courts tend to use something called 'evidence' these days. Hello?

You seem to have managed to miss that everyone in my stats were found guilty. It's nothing to do with evidence, it's to do with sentencing bias.

1641

Some enthicities and ideologies are more prone to criminal activities.

If it is down to ethnicity or ideology (religion?) then maybe it applies to Irish Catholics :


Figures have shown that when this wave of Irish people got to the United States, a lot of them got involved in criminality.

In statistics listed in an article on news website Prado and taken from the book, Immigrant Life in New York City, 1825–1863, Irish people were shown to cause a lot of trouble in the city.

Some of the statistics listed are quite staggering.

More than half of all crime committed in New York in the 1850s was by Irish-born individuals.

In 1858 the Irish accounted for 35% of all of the prostitutes arrested in the city.

More than half of all those committed to NYC prison in 1858 were Irish-born.

In 1859, 74% of those convicted of drunk and disorderly conduct before the NY Court of Special Sessions were Irish-born. https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-united-states-commit-crime-fighting-dangerous-2004406-Mar2015/


Or just maybe there are other factors involved?

biko

bubblypop wrote: »

I would suggest that someone's socioeconomic status is far more of an indicator to whether or not they will become involved in crime.

So immigrants are poorer and thus more likely to commit crimes?

4068ac1elhodqr

biko wrote: »

Do you have a source for this? It sounds pretty racist.

It sounds pretty ignorant, even directly misleading not to acknowledge that.

..That the knifing epidemic in London doesn't have a certain race or mixed race factor attached to it.
It started off with the 'grime rap' scene and has since escilated to county-lines and gang activity, surely this is basic common knowledge by now.