Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

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biko wrote: »

So immigrants are poorer and thus more likely to commit crimes?

Some immigrants elevate themselves, by themselves, up and beyond.

Others often due to cultural factors, tend not to.

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alastair wrote: »

It's nothing to do with evidence, it's to do with sentencing bias.

Sounds like you have a great big case for the UN and international courts of human right s('if') there is any truth to this 'Conspiracy Theory'.

alastair

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

Sounds like you have a great big case for the UN and international courts of human right s('if') there is any truth to this 'Conspiracy Theory'.

It’s not any conspiracy theory. It’s evidenced by the stats.

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alastair wrote: »

It’s not any conspiracy theory. It’s evidenced by the stats.

As said, take this 'theory of yours' to the UN or somewhere, where it can be addressed properly.

alastair

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

As said, take this 'theory of yours' to the UN or somewhere, where it can be addressed properly.

Nothing to do with the UN. It’s a domestic issue for the U.K.

SafeSurfer

alastair wrote: »

Did any of those sham marriages or taxi licences expose these supposed ex-asylum seekers? Nope. Because there's been zero evidence of any failed asylum seekers not leaving the country, let alone being involved in any criminality. The 'theory' that people served with deportation orders remain here is supported by precisely nothing.

Actually it is a fact that less than 20% of deportation orders are carried out.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/less-than-a-fifth-of-deportation-orders-carried-out-1.3680876%3fmode=amp

Boggles

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Actually it is a fact that less than 20% of deportation orders are carried out.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/less-than-a-fifth-of-deportation-orders-carried-out-1.3680876%3fmode=amp

Don't just read the head line lad.

Some 5,504 people facing deportation have been granted permission to remain following a re-examination of their case since 2011. Another 2,245 returned home voluntarily. So far this year, 174 people facing deportation have chosen to leave voluntarily.

Maths eh?

alastair

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Actually it is a fact that less than 20% of deportation orders are carried out.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/less-than-a-fifth-of-deportation-orders-carried-out-1.3680876%3fmode=amp

You’re confusing deportation order enforcement with deportation order compliance.

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alastair wrote: »

Nothing to do with the UN. It’s a domestic issue for the U.K.

Sounds like you've got a great 'story' that the like of the Guardian/BBC would only be too happy to publish, again if it has any foundation to it. Once it gets proper national exposure it will likely be addressed.

Again, if assuming it's not some 'unfounded CT' and you have accurate details on every single case, and 'clear evidence of bias' for every single case you claim it occured upon.

SafeSurfer

Boggles wrote: »

Don't just read the head line lad.



Maths eh?

Yes, maths the assertion was there was no evidence that people served with deportation orders remain in the state. Obviously this is not the case.

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alastair wrote: »

You’re confusing deportation order enforcement with deportation order compliance.

Also, it sounds like you're confusing a 'request of sorts', with actual 'verified completion' of the said request.

Boggles

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Yes, maths the assertion was there was no evidence that people served with deportation orders remain in the state. Obviously this is not the case.

Again it's in your link. I even highlighted it for you.

Some 5,504 people facing deportation have been granted permission to remain following a re-examination of their case

alastair

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

Sounds like you've got a great 'story' that the like of the Guardian/BBC would only be too happy to publish, again if it has any foundation to it. Once it gets proper national exposure it will likely be addressed.

Again, if assuming it's not some 'unfounded CT' and you have accurate details on every single case, and 'clear evidence of bias' for every single case you claim it occured upon.

Happily there’s already a govt review of the issue underway.

Gatling

bubblypop wrote: »

Way to edit my post, at least other posters can see what you're doing.

Lol

alastair

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

Also, it sounds like you're confusing a 'request of sorts', with actual 'verified completion' of the said request.

No - it’s pretty simple concept. Deportation orders can be complied with, or failing that, will have to be enforced. A small minority require enforcement.

Gatling

alastair wrote: »

No - it’s pretty simple concept. Deportation orders can be complied with, or failing that, will have to be enforced. A small minority require enforcement.

Can you back it up ,

It's a fact 7400 people have not been deported despite deportations orders been issued

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alastair wrote: »

No - it’s pretty simple concept. Deportation orders can be complied with, or failing that, will have to be enforced. A small minority require enforcement.

Unless actually escorted to the actual plane seat, compliance may be a rather loose term. It's an order that acts more like a request, hence the fuzzy 'voluntary' aspect, of relying on it actually being acted upon.

SafeSurfer

alastair wrote: »

No - it’s pretty simple concept. Deportation orders can be complied with, or failing that, will have to be enforced. A small minority require enforcement.

Are you suggesting that all individuals on whom deportation orders have been issued have either left voluntarily, been deported or are have been granted leave to stay/appeal?

Boggles

Any idea where all these supposed illegal failed asylum seekers are hiding?

The suggestion was there was 60,000+ of them, Leitrim?

Gatling

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

Also, it sounds like you're confusing a 'request of sorts', with actual 'verified completion' of the said request.

We've had this unvarfied claim across multiple threads and yet it isn't backed up with anything other than a personal opinion

alastair

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Yes, maths the assertion was there was no evidence that people served with deportation orders remain in the state. Obviously this is not the case.

It is the case. Asylum seekers are now only issued with deportation orders when their appeal options are exhausted. The only mechanisms remaining are a ministerial amnesty (quickly applied or dismissed) or if they have a close family member in DP awaiting a judgement, and consequently family reunification might apply. If a determination that the family member doesn’t achieve protected status, then deportation orders apply to both.

Otherwise, there’s no means of remaining in the State for failed asylum seekers. And which is why there’s zero evidence of any evading deportation.

Ballso

Dublin 8 mostly I'd say.

You're so virtuous boggles.

Gatling

Boggles wrote: »

Any idea where all these supposed illegal failed asylum seekers are hiding

Across 27 counties

SafeSurfer

alastair wrote: »

No - it’s pretty simple concept. Deportation orders can be complied with, or failing that, will have to be enforced. A small minority require enforcement.

Are you suggesting that all individuals on whom deportation orders have been issued have either left voluntarily, been deported or are have been granted leave to stay/appeal?

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

We've had this unvarfied claim across multiple threads and yet it isn't backed up with anything other than a personal opinion

And the absolute lack of evidence for any failed asylum seekers remaining in the country following deportation orders.

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Ballso wrote: »

Dublin 8 mostly I'd say.

You have evidence of 60,000 failed asylum seekers in Dublin 8? Handy enough in terms of rounding them up. Have you notified anyone?

Ballso wrote: »

You're so virtuous boggles.

Thank you.

Boggles

Gatling wrote: »

Across 27 counties

27? Really?

Of course you have proof?

In your own good time lad.

SafeSurfer

alastair wrote: »

And the absolute lack of evidence for any failed asylum seekers remaining in the country following deportation orders.

You have absolutely no evidence that the thousands of failed asylum seekers who have “gone missing” have not remained in ireland.

Boggles

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You have absolutely no evidence that the thousands of failed asylum seekers who have “gone missing” have not remained in ireland.

Have you proof they have?

Link it up if you do please.

Gatling

alastair wrote: »

And the absolute lack of evidence for any failed asylum seekers remaining in the country following deportation orders.

Even a government official said it and here you and only you are here denying it .