Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

alastair

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Are you suggesting that all individuals on whom deportation orders have been issued have either left voluntarily, been deported or are have been granted leave to stay/appeal?

All asylum seekers who have been issued with deportation orders have either left on their own, had the deportation order enforced, managed to attain ministerial permission to remain, or are in DP awaiting a decision on a family member. They don’t have any route to further appeals once a deportation order is issued these days. They could seek a judicial review, but that’s not an appeal - and they would remain within DP while that played out.

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

Even a government official said it and here you and only you are here denying it .

Nope. They said no such thing.

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alastair wrote: »

And the absolute lack of evidence for any failed asylum seekers remaining in the country following deportation orders.

Thus, it's simply a 'great unknown'.

Simply boils down to 'likelyhoods and probability', which different views are free to be considered, but 'certainty' doesn't really exist in either case, including yours.

Worth considering the 'likelyhood', if someone after great expense (paid to traffickers) and time/effort - would simply 'give up' after a rejection, and leave when requested (non-forcably).

Gatling

Boggles wrote: »

27? Really

Yes .

SafeSurfer

Boggles wrote: »

Have you proof they have?

Link it up if you do please.

Alastair is the poster asserting that none have remained in Ireland. Surely the onus is on them to back up their assertion.

Gatling

alastair wrote: »

Nope. They said no such thing.

It was posted on two separate threads and now your denying that too .



Run along there now

enricoh

Boggles wrote: »

So an elected law maker has received a txt message stating he should be executed and you pull Coveney's perfectly reasonable response as the thing you have issue with in that article. You are further proof that he is spot on.

:pac:

Some idiot threatens a td anomously and the tánaiste responds that tds shouldn't use hysterical language in the debate. Ie say nothing n keep em coming. What town is getting enriched next week boggles?!

Boggles

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Alastair is the poster asserting that none have remained in Ireland. Surely the onus is on them to back up their assertion.

Based on the law and reality and the lack of any evidence to the contrary.

Your counter "assertion" is that there is a secret underground of failed asylum seekers living in Ireland.

You will need to back up with some sort of evidence.

I guess you don't have any?

How many do you think there are?

SafeSurfer

alastair wrote: »

All asylum seekers who have been issued with deportation orders have either left on their own, had the deportation order enforced, managed to attain ministerial permission to remain, or are in DP awaiting a decision on a family member. They don’t have any route to further appeals once a deportation order is issued these days. They could seek a judicial review, but that’s not an appeal - and they would remain within DP while that played out.

So not even a single one might decide to stay illegally in Ireland outside the DP system?

Boggles

enricoh wrote: »

Some idiot threatens a td anomously and the tánaiste responds that tds shouldn't use hysterical language in the debate. Ie say nothing n keep em coming. What town is getting enriched next week boggles?!

Whoosh!

alastair

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You have absolutely no evidence that the thousands of failed asylum seekers who have “gone missing” have not remained in ireland.

Other than their not showing up anywhere, sure. You could say the same for unicorns.

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

It was posted on two separate threads and now your denying that too .



Run along there now

Because no such thing was stated.

enricoh

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

Random unfounded speculation. Courts tend to use something called 'evidence' these days. Hello?

Guess what, the majority of the victims and assailants of the London knifing carry-on, are black or mixed-ethnicities. That's because they're mostly involved in it, great surprise.

Eh, London cops are racist n turn a blind eye to the white knife gangs, innit.

alastair

Marianna Little Stinker wrote: »

Thus, it's simply a 'great unknown'.

Simply boils down to 'likelyhoods and probability', which different views are free to be considered, but 'certainty' doesn't really exist in either case, including yours.

Worth considering the 'likelyhood', if someone after great expense (paid to traffickers) and time/effort - would simply 'give up' after a rejection, and leave when requested (non-forcably).

Any evidence of a singular example to support this thesis?

biko

alastair wrote: »

Other than their not showing up anywhere, sure. You could say the same for unicorns.

No you can not.
But you could say the same for snakes.

biko

biko wrote: »

So immigrants are poorer and thus more likely to commit crimes?

no, not all immigrants are poor.
why would you think that?

alastair

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Alastair is the poster asserting that none have remained in Ireland. Surely the onus is on them to back up their assertion.

I’ve supported the assertion. There’s precisely zilch evidence to support the notion that these people are here. It’s that evidence of absence that supports the claim.

alastair

biko wrote: »

No you can not.
But you could say the same for snakes.

You couldn’t. There’s ample evidence of snakes here. Head up to the zoo to begin with.

alastair

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So not even a single one might decide to stay illegally in Ireland outside the DP system?

No evidence to suggest that happens. Plenty of illegal immigrants are routinely arrested and deported - but none of them have been asylum seekers who refused to leave the country.

SafeSurfer

alastair wrote: »

Other than their not showing up anywhere, sure. You could say the same for unicorns.

Staying with the analogy of unicorns. If 10% of the unicorns who applied for asylum in Ireland didn’t show up for their first interview and there was no evidence to suggest they had left, is it safe to conclude that there are no unicorns that we are unaware of?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/extra.ie/2019/07/29/news/irish-news/asylum-seekers-first-interview/amp

enricoh

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Yes, maths the assertion was there was no evidence that people served with deportation orders remain in the state. Obviously this is not the case.

In the paper today, chinese people are paying 20k a head to be smuggled into Europe to work in the black economy.
Yet all the failed asylum seekers just leave ireland voluntarily n head home apparently. (lets hope they never hear of this black economy thing!!)

enricoh

enricoh wrote: »

In the paper today, chinese people are paying 20k a head to be smuggled into Europe to work in the black economy.
Yet all the failed asylum seekers just leave ireland voluntarily n head home apparently. (lets hope they never hear of this black economy thing!!)

I though the issue with asylum seekers was that they are over here taking advantage of our welfare system?
living for free, a drain on tax-payers?

alastair

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Staying with the analogy of unicorns. If 10% of the unicorns who applied for asylum in Ireland didn’t show up for their first interview and there was no evidence to suggest they had left, is it safe to conclude that there are no unicorns that we are unaware of?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/extra.ie/2019/07/29/news/irish-news/asylum-seekers-first-interview/amp

They’re not actually asylum seekers, are they?

Gatling

alastair wrote: »

Because no such thing was stated.

Yes it was .




enough of your attempts to derail the thread .





What's next mammy and daddy told you there is no illegal migrants here along with anyone who was served with a deportation order .

alastair

enricoh wrote: »

In the paper today, chinese people are paying 20k a head to be smuggled into Europe to work in the black economy.
Yet all the failed asylum seekers just leave ireland voluntarily n head home apparently. (lets hope they never hear of this black economy thing!!)

Going into the asylum process is about the worst route anyone interested in economic immigration could take. Anyone issued with a deportation order isn’t leaving voluntarily btw - they’re obligated to by law.

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

Yes it was.

No, it wasn’t. If can demonstrate otherwise, then work away. But you can’t, because no such statement was made.

Gatling

alastair wrote: »

. Anyone issued with a deportation order isn’t leaving voluntarily btw - they’re obligated to by law.

But they can also ignore the deportation order relocate and use different alias to avoid detection

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

But they can also ignore the deportation order relocate and use different alias to avoid detection

A notion unsupported by any evidence whatsoever.

SafeSurfer

alastair wrote: »

They’re not actually asylum seekers, are they?

Who are not asylum seekers? The people who apply for asylum and subsequently disappear?

alastair

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Who are not asylum seekers? The people who apply for asylum and subsequently disappear?

If they don’t show up to pursue an asylum claim, they’re not actually asylum seekers, are they? Stands to reason.