Bishop says Yoga is not suitable for a parish school

joeguevara

joeguevara wrote: »

One of the nicest things I saw was when I was visiting tipp a few months ago. Went for a walk in cahir and along the nature trail was little houses for fairies that were made by the local playschool and primary school. They were class and I'm sure the kids loved making them. Based on the letter that would be stopped.

Teaching about fionn and the Fianna and ancient Irish myths and folklore would be stopped.

Where does it end?

Those fairy walks are absolutely brilliantly. The excitement and the amount of utter nonsense adults can fill children's heads with is great (currently, for me, all tied back to going to bed early and not getting up in the middle of the night to go into their parents' bed!). Anyway, on to Oíche Shamhna, púcaí and an saol eile and, even at this early stage (needs must!), the elves flying around the sky checking all little toddlers are in their leaba so that Santa knows what to get them.

At least atheists are consistent in being completely fúcking useless to humanity when it comes to feeding a child's imagination, and keeping them in order, with all this stuff. The Christian "Our pillars of salt myths are better than your Setanta myths" is snobbery and delusion at its finest. Give me Myles Dillon over Matthew, Mark, Luke and John any day.

joeguevara

Donald Trump wrote: »

Easy to solve your issue then isn't it?


Get the local athletics club coach in to do a stretching class



Or even get a pilates instructor in


No yoga. Everyone happy!

So if you agree that they are just stretching exercises that a local athletics club could do you admit that they aren't religious.

If getting a pilates instructor in (and by in i presume you mean school) you then say nothing wrong doing it in school.

No issue so

Guy:Incognito

XsApollo wrote: »

Well she either is devout or isn’t devout,

Catholicism has a set of practices, ideology and beliefs that I presume a devout would follow.
And judging by the appointed leader comments isn’t a favourable thing to do.

Does anyone follow it 100% ? As in every little bit?

Even the bits that contradict the other bits? To paraphrase Ned Flanders.

Maybe everyone should stop following it

Donald Trump

joeguevara wrote: »

So if you agree that they are just stretching exercises that a local athletics club could do you admit that they aren't religious.

If getting a pilates instructor in (and by in i presume you mean school) you then say nothing wrong doing it in school.

No issue so

Not sure whether you are being deliberately obtuse or not


I never said yoga is only stretching (I know it's not). You are trying to say it is. If you really believe that, then you should be equally happy to have an athletics coach in instead (actually more so because they would be more experienced in general in muscular and biomechanical issues).


Just calling your bluff dude

joeguevara

If people are going to strict on what is allowed or not based on church teaching then any child born out of wedlock should not be allowed to attend. Any teacher who practices safe sex shouldn't be allowed to teach..divorcees shouldn't be allowed to be inspectors. This is in response to the post saying you are either devout or not. Why let some things slide but blow a gasket on yoga?

Johnnycanyon

"Religion" the root of all evil!

Mrs OBumble

[Deleted User] wrote: »

At least atheists are consistent in being completely fúcking useless to humanity when it comes to feeding a child's imagination, and keeping them in order, with all this stuff. The Christian "Our pillars of salt myths are better than your Setanta myths" is snobbery and delusion at its finest. Give me Myles Dillon over Matthew, Mark, Luke and John any day.

Consistent atheists do not want to be teaching fairies (ground or sky based) as anything other than myths which silly people believed in the olden days.

They certainly would not be doing fairy walks.

One eyed Jack

joeguevara wrote: »

If people are going to strict on what is allowed or not based on church teaching then any child born out of wedlock should not be allowed to attend. Any teacher who practices safe sex shouldn't be allowed to teach..divorcees shouldn't be allowed to be inspectors. This is in response to the post saying you are either devout or not. Why let some things slide but blow a gasket on yoga?

Relax Joe, nobody is going all strict on anything or blowing a gasket on yoga. All that happened is that a Bishop who is known for giving people every reason to mock the Catholic Church, gave the same people another reason to mock the Catholic Church, as opposed to understanding that this is nothing more than just one Bishop’s opinion.

I know you mentioned it earlier too but the Bishops of Ireland certainly aren’t going to exclude the teaching of Irish myths and folklore in Catholic schools when it’s so intrinsically linked to Christianity through Saint Brigid and Saint Patrick.

Guy:Incognito

One eyed Jack wrote: »

as opposed to understanding that this is nothing more than just one Bishop’s opinion.
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Hang on. Is he "following the teachings of the catholic church" (ie , all of them) as the religious folk in the thread are telling us or is it one bishops opinion? Cant really be both.

joeguevara

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Relax Joe, nobody is going all strict on anything or blowing a gasket on yoga. All that happened is that a Bishop who is known for giving people every reason to mock the Catholic Church, gave the same people another reason to mock the Catholic Church, as opposed to understanding that this is nothing more than just one Bishop’s opinion.

I know you mentioned it earlier too but the Bishops of Ireland certainly aren’t going to exclude the teaching of Irish myths and folklore in Catholic schools when it’s so intrinsically linked to Christianity through Saint Brigid and Saint Patrick.

This was a reply to post number 7

One eyed Jack

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Hang on. Is he "following the teachings of the catholic church" (ie , all of them) as the religious folk in the thread are telling us or is it one bishops opinion? Cant really be both.

Of course it can be both, unless you’re the type of person who is ignorant of the fact that Christianity has evolved over the last 2,000 years based upon the popularity of ideas which came about as a result of people’s opinions.

Guy:Incognito

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Of course it can be both, unless you’re the type of person who is ignorant of the fact that Christianity has evolved over the last 2,000 years based upon the popularity of ideas which came about as a result of people’s opinions.

How can the word of god evolve? Surely its set in stone?

dark crystal

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

As a primary teacher , I’d be wondering how a school had time for yoga in an already jam packed school day !

My son does Yoga as part of his PE curriculum.

One eyed Jack

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How can the word of god evolve? Surely its set in stone?

Y’know the way you might say one thing and someone else interprets what you’ve said differently, and then someone else interprets what they’ve said differently? It’s a bit like that.

Mrs OBumble

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Consistent atheists do not want to be teaching fairies (ground or sky based) as anything other than myths which silly people believed in the olden days.

They certainly would not be doing fairy walks.

Precisely. As I said: atheists and their stupid certainties are at least consistent in being completely fúcking useless. Kids should be given loads of stories to feed their imagination and not denied knowledge of the Ulster Cycle or the Other World because of some dogmatic, smug, historically benighted simpleton with a narrow understanding of human evolution.

Guy:Incognito

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Y’know the way you might say one thing and someone else interprets what you’ve said differently, and then someone else interprets what they’ve said differently? It’s a bit like that.

Yeah, but I'm not an omnipotent being that created the world.

If I was I'd make my feelings clear in black and white and not leave stuff to "interpretation" to suit the will of whoever in power at a given time.

Snow Garden

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yeah, but I'm not an omnipotent being that created the world.

If I was I'd make my feelings clear in black and white and not leave stuff to "interpretation" to suit the will of whoever in power at a given time.

Great post.

Snow Garden

Deleted User wrote: »

Precisely. As I said: atheists and their stupid certainties are at least consistent in being completely fúcking useless. Kids should be given loads of stories to feed their imagination and not denied knowledge of the Ulster Cycle or the Other World because of some dogmatic, smug, historically benighted simpleton with a narrow understanding of human evolution.

I never knew atheists had a manifesto. I would have thought most atheists simply don't believe everything they're told.
I agree kids should be given loads of stories to feed their imagination.

One eyed Jack

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yeah, but I'm not an omnipotent being that created the world.

If I was I'd make my feelings clear in black and white and not leave stuff to "interpretation" to suit the will of whoever in power at a given time.

No matter how clear you’d make your feelings known, people will still for the most part interpret whatever you say to suit themselves. There will of course be people who will interpret your every word literally, but the vast majority will understand the general sentiment of don’t be a dick, and try to live their lives accordingly.

Guy:Incognito

One eyed Jack wrote: »

No matter how clear you’d make your feelings known, people will still for the most part interpret whatever you say to suit themselves. There will of course be people who will interpret your every word literally,

But I'd have created those people.

He's either omnipotent or not.

Why not drop down to earth as a giant being and tell us exactly what he means? Then theres no confusion that some scruffy human wandering around in sandals is just some mentally ill guy with a god complex.

Theres no way around this that God (if he was real) hasnt made a lot of errors. None of it holds up to scrutiny.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

but the vast majority will understand the general sentiment of don’t be a dick, and try to live their lives accordingly.

So write a 1 line leaflet saying "dont be a dick" instead of volumes of waffle left up to mere mortals to interpret and twist to their benefit.

One eyed Jack

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

But I'd have created those people.

He's either omnipotent or not.

Why not drop down to earth as a giant being and tell us exactly what he means? Then theres no confusion that some scruffy human wandering around in sandals is just some mentally ill guy with a god complex.

Theres no way around this that God (if he was real) hasnt made a lot of errors. None of it holds up to scrutiny.

So write a 1 line leaflet saying "dont be a dick" instead of volumes of waffle left up to mere mortals to interpret and twist to their benefit.

It appears to me you’re looking for an argument with a Biblical literalist.

Ain’t nobody got time fo’ dat :pac:

(especially not when I’m getting ready to go to mass in a few minutes)

olestoepoke

Catholic priest is against school children bending over and stretching. Now theres a shocker! Religion has no place in schools and the Catholic Church should be kept a million miles away from the children of Ireland.

Guy:Incognito

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It appears to me you’re looking for an argument with a Biblical literalist.

Ain’t nobody got time fo’ dat :pac:

(especially not when I’m getting ready to go to mass in a few minutes)

Seems to me that none of it holds up to any logic. literal or not.

Its all "it means this but when you cop on that theres massive holes in the theory we'll just change what it means, but god is still infallible (except for times when thats inconvenient too)"

One eyed Jack

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Seems to me that none of it holds up to any logic. literal or not.

Its all "it means this but when you cop on that theres massive holes in the theory we'll just change what it means, but god is still infallible (except for times when thats inconvenient too)"

Well you’ll get no argument from me on that score, it’s exactly what explains the differences in the various interpretations and beliefs in just Christianity alone between all the various denominations of Christianity, and that brings us back to the opinion of the Bishop in this case and his take on Yoga and Mindfulness and whether or not they have a place in Catholic schools due to their incompatibility with Christian origins. He’s correct of course, but all he’s doing is stating the obvious. It’s certainly not newsworthy, and publicising the story is as I see it nothing more than an attempt to get a rise out of people. That’s being a dick, basically.

Odhinn

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yeah, but I'm not an omnipotent being that created the world.

If I was I'd make my feelings clear in black and white and not leave stuff to "interpretation" to suit the will of whoever in power at a given time.

"The Book Of FAQ's" at the end of the bible thing would certainly be handy.

Snow Garden

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2019/1021/1084743-priest-exorcism-co-wexford/

Parents complain over priest's plans to pay 'exorcism' visits

The diocese of Ferns has received a number of complaints from parents of first Holy Communion children after a priest said that he will be visiting homes "for rosaries and exorcisms".

The priest, Fr Michael Doyle, is parish priest of Poulfur-Templetown in Co Wexford and made his comments at mass on Sunday.

He has told parents from Scoil Mhaodhoig Poulfur that he expects them to attend Sunday mass in the run-up to first communion next May and, according to a spokesman for the diocese of Ferns, said he will be "visiting their houses for rosaries and exorcisms".

More of it. Any other organisation that came out with this kind of nonsense would be long defunct. Only a matter of time I guess.

byhookorbycrook

Snow Garden wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2019/1021/1084743-priest-exorcism-co-wexford/





More of it. Any other organisation that came out with this kind of nonsense would be long defunct. Only a matter of time I guess.

Poulfur has already had this to endure :

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wexford-people-recall-abuse-by-fortune-and-others-1.1055651

Donnielighto

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Those fairy walks are absolutely brilliantly. The excitement and the amount of utter nonsense adults can fill children's heads with is great (currently, for me, all tied back to going to bed early and not getting up in the middle of the night to go into their parents' bed!). Anyway, on to Oíche Shamhna, púcaí and an saol eile and, even at this early stage (needs must!), the elves flying around the sky checking all little toddlers are in their leaba so that Santa knows what to get them.

At least atheists are consistent in being completely fúcking useless to humanity when it comes to feeding a child's imagination, and keeping them in order, with all this stuff. The Christian "Our pillars of salt myths are better than your Setanta myths" is snobbery and delusion at its finest. Give me Myles Dillon over Matthew, Mark, Luke and John any day.

The second paragraph isn't that clear. Atheists lie to children just fine, they just don't lie to themselves.

Strumms

Yoga plays a massive part now for people involved in recovery from serious chronic physical illness and injury... I know because of what I’ve read, what I’m told by doctors, sports people and physiotherapists.. I know because I’m one of those people who needed it to help me walk again and get back to health...

if a child of mine or indeed any child needed it they should do it... there is nothing approaching inappropriate in doing yoga... if you have any doubts about the Catholic Church, it’s current ‘media friendly’ head fûckwit then have a read of what he is saying here... if you or a loved one wanted to do yoga for health, therapeutic reasons, fitness whatever, do it, simple... because some uneducated prîck in a shiny white frock, spouting nonsense about things he doesn’t know about and presenting it as fact when it’s drivel in its entirety, bordering hitleresque proclamations is just a reason to go do it....

Snow Garden

My local church in Galway does yoga for old age pensioners. Again its very popular.