All Blacks v Irish property developers

dxhound2005

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is a marketing thing now. WR try to protect it and I think have issued directives about how it should be faced.

The 'haka' is a challenge and you should be allowed to counter that challenge as you wish as a 'competing side' and as a spectator.

And some Maori people believe that rugby has bastardised the Haka and that it is inappropriate to do it.

I don't think the Haka is any more intimidating than some of the Northern Hemisphere national anthems. The French one would frighten me to death, if I thought they meant it.

Arise, children of the Fatherland
Our day of glory has arrived
Against us the bloody flag of tyranny
is raised; the bloody flag is raised.
Do you hear, in the countryside
The roar of those ferocious soldiers?
They’re coming right into your arms
To cut the throats of your sons, your comrades!

To arms, citizens!
Form your battalions
Let’s march, let’s march
That their impure blood
Should water our fields.

Bobblehats

Luke Plump Gymnasium wrote: »

They're usually not Maori and it's a gimmick.

It wasn't always treated with such reverence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emJyEa4z2Ec

Looked like a couple of Elvis impersonators

blinding

Bobblehats wrote: »

Looked like a couple of Elvis impersonators

How come these guys don’t get done for blacking up ?

Bobblehats

David Soul was in there too

Muahahaha

Mint Sauce wrote: »

In fairness, at 22 nil down against NZL (and after lossing to Japan) it probably was more about the piss up for most at that stage.

Yeah there is probably an element of that but it seems specific to the event junkies, I think the hardcore fans who go to rugby games week in week out would have been sitting there devastated at getting so badly beaten by NZ and not jumping around like loo-lahs when we were taking a hiding. It was the same at Euro 2012 and it reminds me of a t-shirt that used to be sold during Italia '90 with the slogan on it 'Win or Lose, we're here for the booze'

marieholmfan wrote: »

It's tradition and was for a long time a strong anti racist statement.
But as I say in competitive matches it should be done before the anthems.

And of course it would be after the Haka because so much more important.

When I lived in NZ my Kiwi flatmate was going apesh1t before a Australia-NZ game in the Bledisloe Cup because after the Haka the Aussies brought some singer onto the pitch with a guitar to do a rousing version of Waltzing Matilda. It was quite clever by the Aussies because it took the sting out of the Haka. iirc NZ rugby complained to World Rugby and made sure the practice didnt happen again. Flatmate was ranting and raving for hours about the Aussies insulting 100+ years of the Haka tradition and it shouldnt be messed with. Then he went on another rant about the underarm bowling the Aussies did on NZ in the cricket (basically cheating), between that and the Haka I thought he was going to punch the walls down over it !

But just on our own fans booing it, I think it was lacking class. Sing against it alright but booing is just crass. Had the game been at Lansdowne Road and the event junkies started booing it they would be told to shut up, same way they are when an opposition kicker is taking a penalty or conversion.

JupiterKid

I'm not mad into team sports but do enjoy watching major rugby and soccer matches - but I have to say that the level and degree of bitterness towards rugby and those who play and support it is unreal in this thread.

WesternZulu

JupiterKid wrote: »

I'm not mad into team sports but do enjoy watching major rugby and soccer matches - but I have to say that the level and degree of bitterness towards rugby and those who play and support it is unreal in this thread.

Well you have to hand it to AHs; it's fair if nothing else.

Wait a few months and there will be a soccer bashing thread if Ireland don't qualify of the Euro's.
The bi-annual GAA bashing thread should be upcoming soon enough as well.

FrancieBrady

JupiterKid wrote: »

I'm not mad into team sports but do enjoy watching major rugby and soccer matches - but I have to say that the level and degree of bitterness towards rugby and those who play and support it is unreal in this thread.

I would hazard a guess a lot of the bitterness has nothing to do with rugby.
Like most bitterness it has to do with failures in various lives.

I enjoy reading the real criticisms, those based in a knowledge of the game and how it operates, the other 'criticisms' are just sad and wasteful of energies best spent elsewhere.

topper75

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

Hadn't listened to BOD in a long time but he has developed a seriously gay voice. Maybe it's always sounded like this.

The ma once observed that after hearing him speak on the telly back in his heyday.
I responded that it is just the way they speak in the posher areas of Dublin and that I doubted that he was gay.
She then asked me, "How do they know up there and who is gay who is not?"
I had no answer. Still don't.

s7ryf3925pivug

topper75 wrote: »

The ma once observed that after hearing him speak on the telly back in his heyday.
I responded that it is just the way they speak in the posher areas of Dublin and that I doubted that he was gay.
She then asked me, "How do they know up there and who is gay who is not?"
I had no answer. Still don't.

There's been rumours of him engaging in homosexual activity for decades, apparently his bodyguard was a source. Doubt there's any truth to it. Probably just bashing someone for being from a middle class background. - But why would you give a sh!t one way or another anyway.

frosty123

Ole ole ole...did you hear the numpty irish over the weekend?? after a match in which they get trashed ole ole ole, and yesterday during a match that didn't even involve ireland ole ole ole

Jesus wept

Beechwoodspark

Just on the haka in the pub the other morning a fella suggested that someone should let a dog loose on the pitch while they were doing it. It would be comical.

Badly Drunk Boy

Muahahaha wrote: »

But just on our own fans booing it, I think it was lacking class. Sing against it alright but booing is just crass. Had the game been at Lansdowne Road and the event junkies started booing it they would be told to shut up, same way they are when an opposition kicker is taking a penalty or conversion.

Were you even watching it? They were singing The Fields Of Athenry, not booing.

Sleepy

Jaysus, some of you lot have some serious chips on your shoulders. Should those of us with no interest in soccer condemn it as a game for knackers because our best player of living memory was a scumbag from Cork? Wouldn't seem fair fair to the likes of Niall Quinn.

Iscreamkone

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I would hazard a guess a lot of the bitterness has nothing to do with rugby.
Like most bitterness it has to do with failures in various lives.

I enjoy reading the real criticisms, those based in a knowledge of the game and how it operates, the other 'criticisms' are just sad and wasteful of energies best spent elsewhere.

How about the criticism that rugby is still very elitist.
70% of the ROI players in the squad went to fee paying rugby academies.

Maybe if the IRFU spent as much on developing 'project players' from Finglas, Tallaght and Knocknaheeny, as they do in bringing Bundy, CJ et al halfway across the world to become Oirish, then and only then would they earn the support of your average punter.

The fact is that your average punter has more in common with these hired mercenaries than he does with the Clongowes/Blackrock College set.

#teamofthem

s7ryf3925pivug

Iscreamkone wrote: »

How about the criticism that rugby is still very elitist.
70% of the ROI players in the squad went to fee paying rugby academies.

Maybe if the IRFU spent as much on developing 'project players' from Finglas, Tallaght and Knocknaheeny, as they do in bringing Bundy, CJ et al halfway across the world to become Oirish, then and only then would they earn the support of your average punter.

The fact is that your average punter has more in common with these hired mercenaries than he does with the Clongowes/Blackrock College set.

#teamofthem

oh **** off. Rugby is huge in Munster and they produce great players, but you dismiss them and only see privately educated Dubliners. You are the one who is snobby and unaware.

ErnestBorgnine

Sleepy wrote: »

Jaysus, some of you lot have some serious chips on your shoulders. Should those of us with no interest in soccer condemn it as a game for knackers because our best player of living memory was a scumbag from Cork? Wouldn't seem fair fair to the likes of Niall Quinn.

Niall Quinn is a long streak of piss

Iscreamkone

Luke Plump Gymnasium wrote: »

oh **** off. Rugby is huge in Munster and they produce great players, but you dismiss them and only see privately educated Dubliners. You are the one who is snobby and unaware.

Could you list the Irish internationals from Cork who didn't play schools rugby for Pres or Christians please?

Dream on with your Munster isn't posh myth.

Berserker

Iscreamkone wrote: »

Maybe if the IRFU spent as much on developing 'project players' from Finglas, Tallaght and Knocknaheeny, as they do in bringing Bundy, CJ et al halfway across the world to become Oirish, then and only then would they earn the support of your average punter.

Not sure what you are talking about. Rugby is played by working class people in Munster, Connacht and Ulster. The core of the Munster team are local lads from working class backgrounds.

SJW Lover

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I would hazard a guess a lot of the bitterness has nothing to do with rugby.
Like most bitterness it has to do with failures in various lives.

I enjoy reading the real criticisms, those based in a knowledge of the game and how it operates, the other 'criticisms' are just sad and wasteful of energies best spent elsewhere.

Ireland beat the world champions Germany in a soccer qualifier a few years ago. An actual competitive qualifier and a brilliant win. Was there a documentary made about it? There's your answer as to why some people are sick of irish rugby. You're welcome.

Jimmy Garlic

Irish rugby is a victim of its own hubris and the general over inflation of the egos of most involved. The sourest bunch of grapes going.

FrancieBrady

SJW Lover wrote: »

Ireland beat the world champions Germany in a soccer qualifier a few years ago. An actual competitive qualifier and a brilliant win. Was there a documentary made about it? There's your answer as to why some people are sick of irish rugby. You're welcome.

How about 'going out of a world cup' at QF stage? Are we sick of that yet?

FFS, what a stupid comparison. Italia 90 was a failure, so was The US and so was the Euro's.
Jack Charlton failed too. But we get it replayed as some sort of high point again and again.
Why? Because reaching the World QF's of that sport is an achievement for a country of this size.

And we all had colossal fun and managed to keep it in perspective and didn't lose our **** and dignity trying to troll the forum of a sport and people we clearly dislike. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Bitterness and bile about something else in your life. You might want to fix that.

Mad_maxx

Luke Plump Gymnasium wrote: »

There's been rumours of him engaging in homosexual activity for decades, apparently his bodyguard was a source. Doubt there's any truth to it. Probably just bashing someone for being from a middle class background. - But why would you give a sh!t one way or another anyway.

Amazing the rubbish you hear about regular people that turns out to be sh1te, never mind celebrity's

BOD doesn't sound remotely gay

Mad_maxx

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just on the haka in the pub the other morning a fella suggested that someone should let a dog loose on the pitch while they were doing it. It would be comical.

How about a sheep?

Kiwis like sheep

Beechwoodspark

There’s an article in the Irish times saying the irfu should ramp up poaching players from the gaa.

For all their sh1te talk The posh boys just not up to it, it seems

Iscreamkone

Berserker wrote: »

Not sure what you are talking about. Rugby is played by working class people in Munster, Connacht and Ulster. The core of the Munster team are local lads from working class backgrounds.

Like I said earlier, 70% of the ROI guys in the squad went to fee paying schools. Working class people play rugby too. They just don’t get in the Oirish squad do they?

Dr_serious2

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It was men v boys.

New Zealand were just a joy to watch. What a team. The Tournament starts now with all good teams left

Men vs goys.

FrancieBrady

Iscreamkone wrote: »

Like I said earlier, 70% of the ROI guys in the squad went to fee paying schools. Working class people play rugby too. They just don’t get in the Oirish squad do they?

Yeh...like the soccer squad gets all it's talent from pure 'Oirish' guys?


We'll await your thesis based on the data you are obviously in possession of. There isn't a doubt in the world that rugby was a game for a certain section of society just as other games had their base.

But it is far away from it's days as an exclusive pursuit. Pure nonsense and probably the source of some of the bile on here. Pure prejudice more than any sporting concerns.

I didn't go to a private school nor even come from a rugby stronghold but have followed it all my life, like many around me.

awec

Iscreamkone wrote: »

Could you list the Irish internationals from Cork who didn't play schools rugby for Pres or Christians please?

Dream on with your Munster isn't posh myth.

Keith Earls
Conor Murray
Dave Kilcoyne
Ultan Dillane
JJ Hanrahan
Jack O'Donoghue

Off the top of my head, all are current or recent Ireland internationals from Munster who didn't go to posh Cork schools. Paul O'Connell of course did not attend a posh Cork school.

I'm sure there are lots more.

The Lost Sheep

awec wrote: »

Keith Earls
Conor Murray
Dave Kilcoyne
Ultan Dillane
JJ Hanrahan
Jack O'Donoghue

Off the top of my head, all are current or recent Ireland internationals from Munster who didn't go to posh Cork schools.

I'm sure there are more.

talking about cork specifically. There is quite a lot of pro players from cork city/county who didn't go to pres or Christian's but not made breakthrough to be regular internationals or made a breakthrough to international level. James Cronin, Kevin o Byrne are just two. Few others as well both playing here in Ireland as well as abroad

Oberkon

The Irish football team v Switzerland had 10 from the 11 born in Ireland in it the other night
It’s not like jacks days now , very much Irish . Prob why we get beat easy !

doughef

I can’t wait until the ars* falls out of the rugby all together .
A baron decade ... sponsors running for the hills ., and all the kids hovered up by the GAA...

.. a proper organisation 😎

pgj2015

ErnestBorgnine wrote: »

Niall Quinn is a long streak of piss

I think Niall Quinn is a creep:)

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I
The rugby players are posho wannabe sex offenders and the Irish soccer squad are mostly English.

That's not really true. Most of the Irish team were born in Ireland.

Capt. Autumn

The Irish rugby team, their fans and the media that constantly hype them up got a rude awakening on Saturday morning. It's one thing to be outplayed by a better team but it's another thing entirely to fail to execute the basics of the game and play with no heart. This was an Irish team that was beaten before the All-Blacks even finished the haka. You could see the fear in their eyes.

For the vast majority of the Irish population rugby has always been and will remain a minority sport played and funded by the professional classes who send their children to private schools. They never were and never will be the team of us until they broaden the appeal of the support to the great unwashed.

Can you imagine how immense Michael Murphy from Donegal or David Clifford from Kerry would be on the rugby pitch? They probably never got the chance to play because Daddy isn't a dentist or a solicitor. A sport that elitist doesn't deserve the support of the whole country and will not get it.

Nothing against the chap, but here's a picture of Jordan Larmour back in his hockey playing days.. Like, What percentage of Irish people have even held a hockey stick in their lives? You see how it's difficult to empathise with these people when the only thing you have in common is a shared nationality.

Stacksofwacks

Its weird. You'd imagine soccer would be the gentile sport and rugby would be played by thugs but its the other way round. Rugby is a tough physical game and not everyone could play it. You need to respect the rules and your opponents and if you don't things could get out of hand very quickly. People with poor discipline and short fuses wouldn't last long in rugby. Rugby league has less rules and is less strategic, so appeals more to working classes.

awec

Some people seem to suffer with some sort of inferiority complex.

"OMG he played hockey, he's clearly way above my station!"

Capt. Autumn

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Rugby league has less rules and is less strategic, so appeals more to working classes.

What, exactly, do you mean by that?

Stacksofwacks

Capt. Autumn wrote: »

What, exactly, do you mean by that?

Its less tactical, more easy to understand.. akin to trench warfare

s7ryf3925pivug

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its weird. You'd imagine soccer would be the gentile sport and rugby would be played by thugs but its the other way round. Rugby is a tough physical game and not everyone could play it. You need to respect the rules and your opponents and if you don't things could get out of hand very quickly. People with poor discipline and short fuses wouldn't last long in rugby. Rugby league has less rules and is less strategic, so appeals more to working classes.

So you're saying Jewish people are thugs!?

Capt. Autumn

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its less tactical, more easy to understand.. akin to trench warfare

So the working class are less clever than the middle classes? Were there studies completed to confirm this? This is the kind of thing that alienates the ordinary man in the street from rugby and its supporters.

Stacksofwacks

Capt. Autumn wrote: »

So the working class are less clever than the middle classes? Were there studies completed to confirm this? This is the kind of thing that alienates the ordinary man in the street from rugby and its supporters.

Ok we'll call it less educated then, am I saying anything that isn't true?

pgj2015

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its weird. You'd imagine soccer would be the gentile sport and rugby would be played by thugs but its the other way round. Rugby is a tough physical game and not everyone could play it. You need to respect the rules and your opponents and if you don't things could get out of hand very quickly. People with poor discipline and short fuses wouldn't last long in rugby. Rugby league has less rules and is less strategic, so appeals more to working classes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBTSQHw64to

you sure?

Capt. Autumn

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Ok we'll call it less educated then, am I saying anything that isn't true?

Yeah, I think you are.
You are saying that a doctor's son would find it easier to pick up the rules of rugby than an electrician's son. I'm calling bull**** on that.

Mike9832

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Its weird. You'd imagine soccer would be the gentile sport and rugby would be played by thugs but its the other way round. Rugby is a tough physical game and not everyone could play it. You need to respect the rules and your opponents and if you don't things could get out of hand very quickly. People with poor discipline and short fuses wouldn't last long in rugby. Rugby league has less rules and is less strategic, so appeals more to working classes.

Need to be well fed for rugby

That costs money

Stacksofwacks

Capt. Autumn wrote: »

Yeah, I think you are.
You are saying that a doctor's son would find it easier to pick up the rules of rugby than an electrician's son. I'm calling bull**** on that.

Am I?

s7ryf3925pivug

Don't mind him, he's just trying to distract from his weird anti-Semitic remark.

Stacksofwacks

Luke Plump Gymnasium wrote: »

Don't mind him, he's just trying to distract from his weird anti-Semitic remark.

Easy tiger

s7ryf3925pivug

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Easy tiger

boring.
Gentile means not Jewish. I think you meant genteel.

wassie

Woke Hogan wrote: »

International sport is a joke in Ireland, I rarely follow any of it.

...Then you have the likes of Sinead Diver who’s one of the best runners from Ireland but she has to claim for Australia because of some ridiculous and obscure rule. What a waste of time.

By best runners from Ireland you mean the fact she was born here, but moved to Australia in 2002 and didn't start running until 2010 and received all her high performance coaching & training in Australia. Probably not the best example...