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Forced Work Christmas Day

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    #152
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,570 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    sheamusD12 wrote: »
    I know iam right. Some messed up morals on here confusing itself with law.

    I am not sure what this means, but your point about not being able to be forced to work Christmas Day is wrong, legally, there is no confusion about that.


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    #153
    sheamusD12
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭sheamusD12


    Dav010 wrote: »
    I am not sure what this means, but your point about not being able to be forced to work Christmas Day is wrong, legally, there is no confusion about that.

    Ah there is. It would appear many believe they are required to use up annual leave for the day.

    It would appear people are not aware workers are entitled to in writing what is happening and how they will be reimbursed. If they do not get this in adequate time they can make the decision to take the day themselves and are entitled to get paid for it


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    #154
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,570 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    sheamusD12 wrote: »
    Ah there is. It would appear many believe they are required to use up annual leave for the day.

    It would appear people are not aware workers are entitled to in writing what is happening and how they will be reimbursed. If they do not get this in adequate time they can make the decision to take the day themselves and are entitled to get paid for it

    I am not sure where you see a poster saying Christmas Day must be taken as an annual leave day, which post are you referring to?

    The op posted that rate of pay is good if he/she works which indicates that the employer is abiding by PH benefits regs.

    You are entitled to notifications in writing if you request it, but an employer can notify employees of working arrangements such as by rostering.


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    #155
    sheamusD12
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭sheamusD12


    Dav010 wrote: »
    I am not sure where you see a poster saying Christmas Day must be taken as an annual leave day, which post are you referring to?

    The op posted that rate of pay is good if he/she works which indicates that the employer is abiding by PH benefits regs.

    You are entitled to notifications in writing if you request it, but an employer can notify employees of working arrangements such as by rostering.


    The opening poster is entitled to an additional day's pay. As you quoted they stated the rate of pay is good.

    The two are not the same.

    A worker is entitled to be told in writing how they are going to be reimbursed for working a public holiday.

    A roster is a schedule for when people are required to work

    The two are not the same.


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    #156
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,570 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    sheamusD12 wrote: »
    The opening poster is entitled to an additional day's pay. As you quoted they stated the rate of pay is good.

    The two are not the same.

    A worker is entitled to be told in writing how they are going to be reimbursed for working a public holiday.

    A roster is a schedule for when people are required to work

    The two are not the same.

    Actually the op said “There offering a good rate of pay and bonus”.

    The op might confirm, but that certainly sounds like PH benefit.

    A roster for PH is written confirmation of working arrangements for that day, the op has obviously been informed that additional pay is the benefit.

    I’m sorry, I’m struggling to see what point you are arguing, and I still can’t find a post that references Christmas Day having to be taken as annual leave. There are 2 similar threads going, is it in the other one?


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    #157
    sheamusD12
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭sheamusD12


    Dav010 wrote: »
    Actually the op said “There offering a good rate of pay and bonus”.

    The op might confirm, but that certainly sounds like PH benefit.

    A roster for PH is written confirmation of working arrangements for that day, the op has obviously been informed that additional pay is the benefit.

    I’m sorry, I’m struggling to see what point you are arguing, and I still can’t find a post that references Christmas Day having to be taken as annual leave. There are 2 similar threads going, is it in the other one?

    Perhaps the op will clarify. If it is and your assumption is correct then your argument stands.

    If your assumption is wrong then your argument falls.


    The sixth and seventh post on page 1 recommend al is applied for on a public holiday. Which we both agree is wrong.


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    #158
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users Posts: 15,259 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    So OP

    What happened in the end ?


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    #159
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    BDI wrote: »
    I’d just ring in sick.
    Customer service on Christmas Day, Jaysis.

    The ESB have to maintain it for power outages. Once we had no power for 3 days over christmas one year. Luckily the neighbours were on gas and cooked our dinner. Any other customer service for anything other than essential services is a joke


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    #160
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,974 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Any other customer service for anything other than essential services is a joke

    Even if you are providing customer service to countries where they don't celebrate Christmas? Or for products which get high usage at Christmas time?

    I'd say that the idea of all-of-society shutting down at the same time (for a holiday that most pepole don't believe in) is the joke: we should be able to make sure everyone gets adequate holidays without doing a complete shut-down of businesses.


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    #161
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    The ESB have to maintain it for power outages. Once we had no power for 3 days over christmas one year. Luckily the neighbours were on gas and cooked our dinner. Any other customer service for anything other than essential services is a joke

    I used work in tech support. Christmas day was the busiest day of the year.

    This year I had emails that had to be dealt with Stephen's day

    Global companies don't celebrate religious holidays


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    #162
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,466 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Stheno wrote: »

    Global companies don't celebrate religious holidays

    They don’t, correct. They celebrate profit.

    In order to facilitate this...It’s in their interest to attempt to put onto their staff that they, their happiness and wellbeing and that of their loved ones are secondary, if you want a reminder as to why they’ll say.. ‘look at your payslip’...


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    #163
    An Ri rua
    Registered Users Posts: 4,501 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Even if you are providing customer service to countries where they don't celebrate Christmas? Or for products which get high usage at Christmas time?

    I'd say that the idea of all-of-society shutting down at the same time (for a holiday that most pepole don't believe in) is the joke: we should be able to make sure everyone gets adequate holidays without doing a complete shut-down of businesses.
    Bull****. It's a national holiday. Apart from essential services internally, the MNCs can go to be ****ed. This is our culture. Not simply Christian. It's Ireland. I've often rang UK or US companies and the lines were closed. Maybe MNC culture has changed that. So **** MNCs.


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    #164
    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,547 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    Iv worked Christmas days as an engineer for a multinational or 2, one year very far from home as well.

    No big deal, it was in the contract when I signed it. If I don't like it I'll get a job elsewhere.


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    #165
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,570 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    Bull****. It's a national holiday. Apart from essential services internally, the MNCs can go to be ****ed. This is our culture. Not simply Christian. It's Ireland. I've often rang UK or US companies and the lines were closed. Maybe MNC culture has changed that. So **** MNCs.

    Business services run on other public holidays, there should be no religious considerations in the workplace lest it be considered discriminatory. As has been posted earlier, all religions celebrate different holy days. Yes this is Ireland, a country that punches above its weight in global IT, businesses here would not be impressed if their service was down on Thanksgiving, a day which means nothing to us, so US companies services remain open even though it is their most celebrated holiday.


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    #166
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,570 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Strumms wrote: »
    They don’t, correct. They celebrate profit.

    In order to facilitate this...It’s in their interest to attempt to put onto their staff that they, their happiness and wellbeing and that of their loved ones are secondary, if you want a reminder as to why they’ll say.. ‘look at your payslip’...

    All businesses celebrate profit, it is essential for their continued existence. Without it, Strumms doesn’t get a wage slip to look at.


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